Residents Only 1st Week on Walk-In?

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Best idea on this thread by far!



I don't agree with this at all. I hunt with a bunch of rural boys every year in Cloud county, and we have never hunted where we don't have permission.

It's the bad apples ruin it for everyone else, resident and non resident alike. I'm all for stiffer penalties, up to and including, revocation of license privileges for serious crimes and higher fines across the board.
Just because you and a few freinds or even the majority of "country boys" abide by the rules, does nothing to dissuade me from the statement. I've lived it. Besides the majority of non residents are as conscientous as anyone else. I'm all for stiffer tresspass penalties, littering penalties, you can even write a whole bunch more laws to prohibit all sorts of real or imagined slights or improprieties, none of which will stop bad behavior, if that were true we would be crime free nationwide now! Sorry guys I just don't buy the root of the arguement, it's protectionism pure and simple, not of the resource, of you Kansas sportsmen who feel that Kansas should be reserved for you. You basically want to be South Dakota, want the non resident stooges pay the freight and you get a free lunch. Be careful what you wish for. I laid out a series of moves which would limit pressure earlier. I'm all for lower limits on quail, even pheasant, I haven't shot a limit on anything in years, even when possible, don't hunt in a big group, don't like army like experience, but a lot of people with a legitimate interest do, and most that hunt that way in Kansas, live in Kansas,or are invited friends and family of people and landowners who do. Your biggest problem is in Kansas you have damn near zero public land, much less than most states, no opportunity for you or anyone else.You want to fix something, fix that! That's what WIHA attempts to solve. At the risk of being a broken record you either need to pony up a heck of a lot of cash as residents to have your own sandbox, or you need us out of state chumps to foot the bill and subsidize your program. don't believe me, ask the Kansas-wildlife-fish- game-and tourism department. I did! Instead of trying to turn a public access area of 80 acres into your private honey hole why don't make an effort in the off season at opening up 800 acres more! More interest makes more awareness, more attention, brings in more money. Isolationism, brings fewer dollars, no noteriety, dwindling momentum and the end of the sport as we know it. KDWP can't do it alone, some farmers who have eligible ground if approached personally and correctly might sign up if asked. We loose hunters faster than birds and habitat, even in Kansas. If you hunt eastern Kansas these days, on the opener, even near or on public areas, you might think you might have jumped the gun and picked the wrong day, true in Missouri, Iowa, and Nebraska as well! Inclusion is the answer, make the sport a publicly accepted and welcomed event. When people encounter hunters it needs to be positive. I never go to a social event or party that hunting doesn't come up, I explain the sport, history, nuances, conservation, and try to demonstrate to the uninitiated, and non-believers that the guy up the block isn't a crazed killer, who teaches his 14 year old girls to follow his evil killer ways. Since they see me at school, at work, around town and generally have a positive opinion, I can strike a blow for sportsmen and possibly gain a foothold of acceptance. Some even want to hunt, most only once, to hard, tomuch commitment, but at least they have an understanding of the sport, and hopefully see a value as voters that helps us down the road when anti-hunting, anti-guns issues are debated and voted on. what I hear from Kansans on this site is stay home, if you want to send Pitman-Robertson Money to pay for WIHA great, but no matter what stay home.
 
Just because you and a few freinds or even the majority of "country boys" abide by the rules, does nothing to dissuade me from the statement. I've lived it.

I don't even need to read anymore that this first sentence. It's the same ole' song and dance.. the truth is I know many "country boys" other than my own that abide by the rules we live by. If you grew up in Kansas with a different upbringing, then that's your mentality, not mine or anyone I know. So your "anyone that grew up rural in KS argument" can go to hell. Perhaps you grew up around the wrong individuals.

How about this old adage: "If you build it, they will come". Quit playing devil's advocate and do something about conservation in your own state, instead of giving excuses why others should exploit ours. Your pleas and excuses sound nice on paper, but when it comes down to it, your state fails to deliver, when ours does not. That is the difference and the bottom line.
 
The Pittman-Robertson Act is a moot point... Missouri is equally as eligible. It's not our fault your legislators can't produce.
 
Well you guys have it covered, limit hunting parties, rearrange the season to drive off those pesky non residents, but you forgot dogs, surely you need a limit on dogs in the field, afterall dogs increase success. Say one per hunter, allowed to residents only, non residents can use bird boys like Mexico, to give qualified Kansas kids work. Now we have full employment advatage for the Kansas sportsmen, not just for a week, but for a whole year!:cheers:
 
I have been reading through these posts and thought i would add my thoughts on these issues:

1. as far as a resident only opener, i could really care less. I don't hunt it often early as i have cultivated adequate private access. According to some that would make me " not lazy"

2. On the issue of the economic impact of a resident only, wildcat i'm with you. Most places that go belly up are from local economy not 1 weekend. Anyway the majority of us residents would travel and stay anyway.

3 on the issue of locals breaking the majority of the game laws. If you are a law breaker, it does not matter where you live. To accuse any group solely amounts to ignorance I have traveled with plenty of dumazz hunters to other states before. I have also seen some crap out in the country where i live.

4. On quail, smaller limits and a later opener would help some, but wholesale help of quail is going to take much more than that.

5. I strongly agree that huge hunting parties with 7-8 dogs on wiha should be stopped. I have witnessed 20+ guys on a section. private is private not much you can do about that

I have always said we need to pay more for our licences. An add on fee that went straight to conservation would be nice. I have no problem with the way SD does it the 110.00 for 10 days is expensive. But compared to the gas, food, lodging, maybe a trespass fee or gifts it is not that bad. Something needs to give. I would like my sons to be able to enjoy this sport for 35+ years as i have. They don't have a chance if even the people that love it, such as us, can't get along. Peace.
 
Just because you and a few freinds or even the majority of "country boys" abide by the rules, does nothing to dissuade me from the statement. I've lived it. Besides the majority of non residents are as conscientous as anyone else. I'm all for stiffer tresspass penalties, littering penalties, you can even write a whole bunch more laws to prohibit all sorts of real or imagined slights or improprieties, none of which will stop bad behavior, if that were true we would be crime free nationwide now! Sorry guys I just don't buy the root of the arguement, it's protectionism pure and simple, not of the resource, of you Kansas sportsmen who feel that Kansas should be reserved for you. You basically want to be South Dakota, want the non resident stooges pay the freight and you get a free lunch. Be careful what you wish for. I laid out a series of moves which would limit pressure earlier. I'm all for lower limits on quail, even pheasant, I haven't shot a limit on anything in years, even when possible, don't hunt in a big group, don't like army like experience, but a lot of people with a legitimate interest do, and most that hunt that way in Kansas, live in Kansas,or are invited friends and family of people and landowners who do. Your biggest problem is in Kansas you have damn near zero public land, much less than most states, no opportunity for you or anyone else.You want to fix something, fix that! That's what WIHA attempts to solve. At the risk of being a broken record you either need to pony up a heck of a lot of cash as residents to have your own sandbox, or you need us out of state chumps to foot the bill and subsidize your program. don't believe me, ask the Kansas-wildlife-fish- game-and tourism department. I did! Instead of trying to turn a public access area of 80 acres into your private honey hole why don't make an effort in the off season at opening up 800 acres more! More interest makes more awareness, more attention, brings in more money. Isolationism, brings fewer dollars, no noteriety, dwindling momentum and the end of the sport as we know it. KDWP can't do it alone, some farmers who have eligible ground if approached personally and correctly might sign up if asked. We loose hunters faster than birds and habitat, even in Kansas. If you hunt eastern Kansas these days, on the opener, even near or on public areas, you might think you might have jumped the gun and picked the wrong day, true in Missouri, Iowa, and Nebraska as well! Inclusion is the answer, make the sport a publicly accepted and welcomed event. When people encounter hunters it needs to be positive. I never go to a social event or party that hunting doesn't come up, I explain the sport, history, nuances, conservation, and try to demonstrate to the uninitiated, and non-believers that the guy up the block isn't a crazed killer, who teaches his 14 year old girls to follow his evil killer ways. Since they see me at school, at work, around town and generally have a positive opinion, I can strike a blow for sportsmen and possibly gain a foothold of acceptance. Some even want to hunt, most only once, to hard, tomuch commitment, but at least they have an understanding of the sport, and hopefully see a value as voters that helps us down the road when anti-hunting, anti-guns issues are debated and voted on. what I hear from Kansans on this site is stay home, if you want to send Pitman-Robertson Money to pay for WIHA great, but no matter what stay home.

Thank you for that tounge-lashing and this "insightful" post telling us all how awesome you think you are. I just can't imagine how any of us could ever measure up...

FWIW, I think a mid-week opener is a dumb idea. Taxpayers work on Wednesdays...
 
I'll donate to the limited hunting party law!

I'm in full support of this proposition myself.

Lots of folks are sharing good ideas. Protecting the KS quail population should be a priority. I'm with carptom, the problem is much deeper than an 8-bird limit and the opener taking place the same w/e as pheasants (ya know, when 20 guys and 8 dogs walk every one of the KS WIHA fields blasting everything in their path, which we as Kansans should learn to appreciate:rolleyes:). Lower limits and splitting up the openers is still a great idea IMO.
 
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Just a Reminder

The issue posed in this (my) thread is whether WALK-IN, not the whole state of Kansas, should be limited to KS residents the first week of the season as is done in the Dakotas. I may have misunderstood, but some posters on this thread seem to think that the question raised is whether to restrict hunting in the entire state to residents for the first week. Is anyone proposing that?

Thanks to everyone for their posts and good points pro and con. This is First Amendment freedom of expression in action.
 
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While I haven't read through all the comments and replies in this topic, I have my thoughts, so here are my two cents.
It is a novel idea, but it will never happen IMHO. The state of Kansas is far too interested in drawing in more OS hunters. If anything were to happen, I think it would be the exact opposite, maybe open all walk-in areas to OS hunters only the first weekend. Now how well do you think that would go over? I am a lifelong resident of Kansas, and plan to stay that way for the rest of my days. I am blessed to get to hunt on Private ground, but I/we (my group) earned it over our trips out west. We don't often mess with walk-in places unless it is later in the year.

If something like that were to happen, I don't think I would take advantage of it. Opening weekend is usually too hot for me anyway, and that along with the crowds on the roads and people (both OS's and IS's) trying to sneak in or on our places just upsets me. So I do much better not being out there getting a headache from these types incidents during the opener.
 
While I haven't read through all the comments and replies in this topic, I have my thoughts, so here are my two cents.
It is a novel idea, but it will never happen IMHO. The state of Kansas is far too interested in drawing in more OS hunters. If anything were to happen, I think it would be the exact opposite, maybe open all walk-in areas to OS hunters only the first weekend. Now how well do you think that would go over? I am a lifelong resident of Kansas, and plan to stay that way for the rest of my days. I am blessed to get to hunt on Private ground, but I/we (my group) earned it over our trips out west. We don't often mess with walk-in places unless it is later in the year.

If something like that were to happen, I don't think I would take advantage of it. Opening weekend is usually too hot for me anyway, and that along with the crowds on the roads and people (both OS's and IS's) trying to sneak in or on our places just upsets me. So I do much better not being out there getting a headache from these types incidents during the opener.

well said.
 
No. I grew up in Kansas and now live in Missouri. I hunt Kansas nearly every weekend of the season, pay an out-of-state license fee every year and pump a hell of a lot more into the local economies than the average turd-toker out there on opening weekend with a JO on the upper left-hand corner of his $50K SUV.

Moreover, many of the dollars spent by the KDWP&T are federal dollars, I contribute to that as well.
 
I've been traveling to Kansas since the inception of the WIHA program and bring along several buddies each year. We like many (but not all) understand this is a unique privilege and treat it as such. We dump a lot of money into the local economy. Hunting pressures have increased in last few years it seems - this program I'm sure teeters on brink of collapse and if the experience is diminished too substantially for out-of-state hunters, then it all comes crashing down since we'll take our money elsewhere. Seems with ALL that private land, in-state folks could find a way to lock in plenty of honey holes that are off limits to us non residents.
 
No. I grew up in Kansas and now live in Missouri. I hunt Kansas nearly every weekend of the season, pay an out-of-state license fee every year and pump a hell of a lot more into the local economies than the average turd-toker out there on opening weekend with a JO on the upper left-hand corner of his $50K SUV.

Moreover, many of the dollars spent by the KDWP&T are federal dollars, I contribute to that as well.

Nice to see class warfare has reached the UPH site. You just sound disgruntled and or jealous. Why does the county in which one resides or the vehicle they drive matter in this situation?
 
Nice to see class warfare has reached the UPH site. You just sound disgruntled and or jealous. Why does the county in which one resides or the vehicle they drive matter in this situation?

Hahaha, remember, you can't have class warfare with someone whom has none!!!:D

Just FYI, my money spends just as well even though I'm driving a buick, shoot a Remington, or maybe even, dare I say, a Mossberg, and am recently unemployed!!!;)
 
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