Residents Only 1st Week on Walk-In?

Troutman, I don't believe my response was irrational. If your point was simply to state that you spend more days afield in KS than the large majority of KS resident hunters, you could've done so w/o reference to where someone is from or what type of vehicle they drive. I do not spend nearly as many days afield as your 40 to 45 per season. I travel for work and have a wife and 3 kids. It just doesn't work for me to hunt that much. If you go back and read my post, you will also see that I didn't advocate excluding non-residents on opening weekend. I have never felt like I missed out on hunting opportunities because of other hunters, resident or non. I have access to private land and also scout and hunt WIHA in a couple different parts of the state. Now have I been beaten to a WIHA spot by someone else on occasion, sure. But, in most of those cases, it is other KS hunters.
 
Comes from greed. Everybody wants first shot at the good hunting.

I did see 1 KS guy this weekend with a nice bull elk (5x5), asked him what he thought about CO going to a system where residents get first crack before all NR's do. He thought that was the dumbest thing he has heard of. You KS guys are quick to come elk hunting, but the day I want to come have a first crack at some roosters you have problems with this.

If you want your own "private spot" open a hunting club. Otherwise first come, first served.
 
PBuster said:
Comes from greed. Everybody wants first shot at the good hunting.
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Possibly... But I dont' think that it's greed per se, I just dont' want to run into any one in the field around my dogs that I don't trust.

And that can happen alot...
 
PBuster said:
Comes from greed. Everybody wants first shot at the good hunting.

I did see 1 KS guy this weekend with a nice bull elk (5x5), asked him what he thought about CO going to a system where residents get first crack before all NR's do. He thought that was the dumbest thing he has heard of. You KS guys are quick to come elk hunting, but the day I want to come have a first crack at some roosters you have problems with this.

If you want your own "private spot" open a hunting club. Otherwise first come, first served.
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Has nothing to do with greed and getting the first "shot" at the birds. It has more to do with enjoying a less hectic w/e w/ our friends and family. As others have stated, the majority of our hunting is done later in the season anyway. Last opener was such a mess around dad's place that I'm skipping it for the first time in years. I made that decision last season when I realized that being out there with the hoards, made the farmers associate me with the circus. The farmers are much more friendly and helpful later in the season. The annual circus means lots more work for them and sometimes, lost revenue (damage, cows out, etc.). It wouldn't be as severe if we split the pressure up a bit.

"Dumbest thing he has ever heard of"....he may not listen to/hear much:rolleyes: Maybe he would become a resident of CO if the incentive were better/preferred access to elk hunting. Maybe you'd consider moving to KS if you gained better/preferred access to pheasant hunting (we'd like to have your outdoors favoring votes in our state and your year-round $ contributions). I know if I had the opportunity to work in SD for this company, I'd go there b/c better pheasant hunting opportunities do play a role in my decision on where I'd like to live. Additionally, SD outdoorsppl would have yet another vote cast in their favor every election.

Oh, I'd be willing to bet that the KS guys that are quick to come elk hunting, but support the idea of a resident only w/e, would also support CO if they chose to give CO residents first crack at the elk. I still don't understand why this discussion is taken personally:confused:
 
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Yipeeeee!!!
 
Derek Sears said:
Nick, the JoCo stereotype, like most others, exists for a reason. You must be the exception and not the rule:D
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Where in Kansas do you live? I want to know in case there is a stereotype associated with where you live and then determine if you're the exception or the rule. ;)
 
V-John said:
Possibly... But I dont' think that it's greed per se, I just dont' want to run into any one in the field around my dogs that I don't trust.

And that can happen alot...
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man you said that correctly

as a side note- lots of vehicles slowly driving arround here- surprising no one has stopped in

sure don't care if the vehicles are local, other parts of the state, or out of staters

another side note- I've gone to Colorado elk hunting a few times- never known a Colorado person to say out of staters should stay away opening weekend
 
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BritChaser said:
Where in Kansas do you live? I want to know in case there is a stereotype associated with where you live and then determine if you're the exception or the rule. ;)
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I know there are plenty about people from lawrence:D.

I can't believe this thread has regressed to the point of calling people out based on where they live. I do find it funny that someone hailing from Odessa, would call anyone out:p. I grew up in JO. Sure there are some snooty areas, nobody would deny that, but a couple of Escalades out hunting in Ks do not do justice to the majority of hardworking people that live there. It is hardly a point to say that because I hunt 40 days a year somewhere somehow I deserve special treatment. Dude the only reason you are here is that upland inyour state sucks. I personally don't care if another state excludes me on opening weekend in favor of their residents. You know the residents that pay for everything else in the state that goes on besides hunting. If this is the stupidest thing you have ever heard, I can tell you have lived a sheltered life.
 
Well carptom I guess I have the double whammy then. Live in JOCO and went to school in Lawrence!:D
 
Shadow said:
man you said that correctly

as a side note- lots of vehicles slowly driving arround here- surprising no one has stopped in

sure don't care if the vehicles are local, other parts of the state, or out of staters

another side note- I've gone to Colorado elk hunting a few times- never known a Colorado person to say out of staters should stay away opening weekend
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My point exactly. Does KS think its good enough to say "us" first then you NR's can. It is called open season.:)
 
PBuster said:
My point exactly. Does KS think its good enough to say "us" first then you NR's can. It is called open season.:)
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not sure I'm understanding-

I sit here in what was prime upland country-
I used to hunt Minnesota, Nebraska, and Colorado-
a good person I always thought was welcome anywhere

sure don't think KS feels it's us first to kill the birds and then you can come-
since 1971 Kansas has been more than gratefull to have you come

it's sort of been- the hunting is great- but don't count on easy birds and easy limits- I may be missing something- please explain your thoughts
 
BritChaser said:
Where in Kansas do you live? I want to know in case there is a stereotype associated with where you live and then determine if you're the exception or the rule. ;)
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I'm just south of you, 1 mile from DG, JO, and MI county lines. Although forced northward to find a decent living wage, I chose to live there (and have a commute:()to avoid the 'JO' on my license plate:D Originally from SEK, and I'm a Gorilla:thumbsup:
 
Nick said:
Well carptom I guess I have the double whammy then. Live in JOCO and went to school in Lawrence!:D
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I'm sure you did a great job of promoting our sport to a crowd of people who would not otherwise be exposed to hunting.

The one time I rolled through Lawrence in the Fall, I was not greeted warmly by the locals. I don't know if it was the KSU license plate on the front of the truck, the hunter orange hat on the dash, the dog box in the back, or the big 'ol pickup I was driving... Whatever it was, the hippies didn't like it...

On a side note, I think it's interesting that the conversation has shifted from res/nonres, to what county people live in. Is anybody suggesting that opening weekend should be restricted to residents of the County? As in, "only residents of Russel County can hunt in Russel County opening weekend."
 
Toad said:
On a side note, I think it's interesting that the conversation has shifted from res/nonres, to what county people live in. Is anybody suggesting that opening weekend should be restricted to residents of the County? As in, "only residents of Russel County can hunt in Russel County opening weekend."
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that, but it's an interesting proposition. It wouldn't benefit me for that particular w/e (though I'd still enjoy the w/e in my birdless county), but I still feel the locals would be easier to approach later in the season if they had a w/e to themselves.
 
Carptom,

I've tried to explain this before, but apparently it is difficult for some to understand. The example is a point made through illustration a concept apparently difficult to grasp. I am not calling out people from Johnson County, Kansas but calling out the in-state resident who hunts a few days per year and how that to exclude a non-resident who hunts the state year round is unjustified and poor economic policy. I used an example from my own experiences as an illustration. I certainly did not expect others to fixate on the example so much that they miss the point of the argument --an argumnet which, save some insight from V-John, has not even been negated and the question remains wholly unanswered (excluding V-John's argument).
 
KATroutman13 said:
Carptom,

I've tried to explain this before, but apparently it is difficult for some to understand. The example is a point made through illustration a concept apparently difficult to grasp. I am not calling out people from Johnson County, Kansas but calling out the in-state resident who hunts a few days per year and how that to exclude a non-resident who hunts the state year round is unjustified and poor economic policy. I used an example from my own experiences as an illustration. I certainly did not expect others to fixate on the example so much that they miss the point of the argument --an argumnet which, save some insight from V-John, has not even been negated and the question remains wholly unanswered (excluding V-John's argument).
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Well said. Things can a get a bit serious in this forum, depending on the particular issue under discussion. I say this as the guy who started this thread! Moreover, I'm a UPH "guru." LOL! Little did I know the heat this thread would generate. I think the forum is intended to be friendly, informative, social, lighthearted, and humorous. I came up with the thread because I intended to hunt North Dakota this year, researched the North and South Dakota upland regs only to realize that I could not hunt their walk-in opening weekend nor buy a full season license (!) while in other states, KS for instance where I live, NRs are only charged more for a license, at least for pheasant and quail hunting. I hope you enjoy this forum. As far as winning arguments in here, it doesn't happen, take my word for it! But enjoy the many viewpoints. :cheers:
 
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