NRA - Why or Why Not?
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bobeyerite
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OAN, Yes, Robert Stack appeared as guest hunter on many a T.V. Show back then. He was great, I really liked him.......Bob
BritChaser
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Stack was a classy guy. What a contrast.
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BritChaser
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Who is the new board member that you dislike, and if I may ask, why do you dislike him? Just asking out of curiousity. Thanks.
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moellermd
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It was more tongue in cheek, there was some discussion on this forum about the new guy from SD I forget his name.
PS I just got an email from that no good NRA saying they are lobbying for an Iowa doves season and the bill passed the senate. Man talk about a extrismist thing to be lobbying for.
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Ranger Rick
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The problem with the anti-gun movement is the same as the environmentalist whacko crowd. You give in to one demand and think you have a natural resources management plan that is workable, they turn around and sue you for working the plan. We need the NRA to keep from giving those little increments that eventually turn into something none of us could live with.
In the turn of the last century the Springfield A3-O3 was the assualt rifle of it's day. In WWII it became the M1. There are plenty of good varmit guns to chose from, but who's to say an AR15 isn't suitable and should be banned becuase of it's looks and ability to hold a large volume clip.
Fully automatic weapons and grenade launchers are already illegal to own in this country. You can't lump a semi-auto AR15 in with them.
There have been some great forums on here lately. Another good discussion with this one, too. Take care fellas.
In the turn of the last century the Springfield A3-O3 was the assualt rifle of it's day. In WWII it became the M1. There are plenty of good varmit guns to chose from, but who's to say an AR15 isn't suitable and should be banned becuase of it's looks and ability to hold a large volume clip.
Fully automatic weapons and grenade launchers are already illegal to own in this country. You can't lump a semi-auto AR15 in with them.
There have been some great forums on here lately. Another good discussion with this one, too. Take care fellas.
In the interest of fairness Charity Navigator lists the NRA foundation at 4 stars, it's highest rating. For the record, Wayne LaPierre, serves as executive and is not compensated. I'm sure he is compensated by the NRA. It does not rate the NRA itself because Charity Navigator does not rate lobbying organizations or organizations to which not all contributions are tax deductable. Pheasants Forever by comparison is rated at two stars, I believe this to be due to it's relative high cost of fund raising, and it's efforts at expansion of both PF and QF are taxing the financial resources of a still young organization. I'm sure the generous, and unique revenue split with it's local area chapters factor in as well, since that money is left at the descretion of local chapters and is unavailable to the national organization. Again fully automatic weapons are not illegal in the US, but require a class III permit. This would include M-16's, Klasinkoff AK's and the like. All perfectly legal with appropriate permits. I hold the second ammendment as dear as the next American, but no more dear than any of the rest of the Constitution.
The one line of thinking that really surprises me from both the pro and con sides is the "justification argument". Why do we feel the need to justify why we want what we are allowed to have?
Why say, "Well my gun can be used for this, that gun can't be used for that...etc?"
The 2nd amendment doesn't require justification, it just says we have THE RIGHT!
If I want to own the most impractical, outlandish, gaudy gun allowed by law I don't have to have any other reason then, "Because I want to."
This whole "Black Gun" & "This and That gun back in the day were called X,Y,Z" is a really weird way to argue about what belongs to us BY LAW.
It is kind of like saying, "It is OK to ban a Bentley, Ferrari, or Porsche because my family only drives SUVs, Trucks, and Minivans."
May I suggest we broaden our lines of thinking a bit on this point.
Why say, "Well my gun can be used for this, that gun can't be used for that...etc?"
The 2nd amendment doesn't require justification, it just says we have THE RIGHT!
If I want to own the most impractical, outlandish, gaudy gun allowed by law I don't have to have any other reason then, "Because I want to."
This whole "Black Gun" & "This and That gun back in the day were called X,Y,Z" is a really weird way to argue about what belongs to us BY LAW.
It is kind of like saying, "It is OK to ban a Bentley, Ferrari, or Porsche because my family only drives SUVs, Trucks, and Minivans."
May I suggest we broaden our lines of thinking a bit on this point.
Exactly.
Like the guy who commented earlier how absurd high round mags were and then went on to pontificate the merits of his .50 cal. :nutz:
Do I think the NRA is exteme? Yes. Do I think that the anti movement is extreme? Yes. Like most things, the truth lies some where in the middle. And that middle ground, that compromise, is generally where we end up.
I also don't understand this notion that one has to agree with an organization on all fronts to be a part of it. I certainly don't agree with the NRA on everything. And yes, the use of a has-been rocker turned zealot buffoon ranks up there pretty high. I don't agree with my church on everything. My union, my political party, my management team, etc. Nothing wrong with some good healthy descent. I may not like the way they go about things from time-to-time. But I do agree with their intent. And I do believe their intent is to defend the second amendment.
As for the mailings. Thank goodness someone's doing something to keep the demand for pulp wood going.
The suffering timber industry is resulting in millions of acres of forests that are not being managed. And all manner of wild life are suffering because of it. Just throw their propaganda in the recyling bin and go about your day.
Like I said before, the system sucks. But they're the only game in town. And by town I mean Washington.
Like the guy who commented earlier how absurd high round mags were and then went on to pontificate the merits of his .50 cal. :nutz:
Do I think the NRA is exteme? Yes. Do I think that the anti movement is extreme? Yes. Like most things, the truth lies some where in the middle. And that middle ground, that compromise, is generally where we end up.
I also don't understand this notion that one has to agree with an organization on all fronts to be a part of it. I certainly don't agree with the NRA on everything. And yes, the use of a has-been rocker turned zealot buffoon ranks up there pretty high. I don't agree with my church on everything. My union, my political party, my management team, etc. Nothing wrong with some good healthy descent. I may not like the way they go about things from time-to-time. But I do agree with their intent. And I do believe their intent is to defend the second amendment.
As for the mailings. Thank goodness someone's doing something to keep the demand for pulp wood going.
The suffering timber industry is resulting in millions of acres of forests that are not being managed. And all manner of wild life are suffering because of it. Just throw their propaganda in the recyling bin and go about your day.Like I said before, the system sucks. But they're the only game in town. And by town I mean Washington.
carptom1
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Good point GSP. You did make me look at the fact that I don't agree with every organization that i belong to. Whether it be church, or other group, sometimes i do disagree with the delivery but i stick in there because i believe in the mission. By the way the pontification of the .50 cal was meant to be tongue in cheek. Anyway you made me think a little. Good intelligent point.
1pheas4
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Someone mentioned that your guns are registered with the government when you buy them from a dealer. That's not exactly right everywhere. Your FFL logs them into his log and to the best of my knowledge those serial numbers don't go anywhere from there unless you live in a city where they have a law requiring you register them with the city. Not everywhere does this.
In Nebraska where I am familiar with the laws, if you live in Douglas County you are required to register your handgun with Douglas County. Lancaster County doesn't have this requirement. In Nebraska you must obtain a handgun permit to purchase a handgun and that requires a background check.
If a gun is stolen, it goes on the computer data base as being stolen and can be accessed by LE.
I had a FFL for 16 years and when I closed my shop I kept my FFL log but those serial numbers were never turned in to anyone. I sold hundreds of guns during that time and never once had anyone even come look at my records.
Just a sidebar to the statement that we have registered all our guns since 1968.
In Nebraska where I am familiar with the laws, if you live in Douglas County you are required to register your handgun with Douglas County. Lancaster County doesn't have this requirement. In Nebraska you must obtain a handgun permit to purchase a handgun and that requires a background check.
If a gun is stolen, it goes on the computer data base as being stolen and can be accessed by LE.
I had a FFL for 16 years and when I closed my shop I kept my FFL log but those serial numbers were never turned in to anyone. I sold hundreds of guns during that time and never once had anyone even come look at my records.
Just a sidebar to the statement that we have registered all our guns since 1968.
My dad just had an ATF agent stop by his store to show him how to fill the logs out properly. He's had his FFL around the same time he bought the hardware store, in about 1975. I do support the NRA because it would be way to complicated to separate out "dangerous weapons" and "sporting weapons" especially when talking handguns and rifles. I personally don't see the need for an assault style rifle or high cap mag clip either, but I support the right to own guns.
I do support the NRA because it would be way to complicated to separate out "dangerous weapons" and "sporting weapons" especially when talking handguns and rifles. I personally don't see the need for an assault style rifle or high cap mag clip either, but I support the right to own guns.
PairOfLabs
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I have been very impressed by many of your posts. Many convey well thought out opinions, strong convictions, and excellent "wordsmithing". I just hope that those of you who value our Second Amendment rights are also demonstrating your convictions and wordsmithing skills to write letters to your congressmen and senators and doing what you can to influence other voters to make additional changes in the 2012 elections.
It looks like the anti-gunners will be trying to run "end-arounds" the lawmakers in Congress by employing beaurocratic means (un-elected officials like BATF and IRS) to fight their battles. In addition, we need to be wary of attempts being made to subvert our Constitution and Bill of Rights to the demands of the United Nations. And finally, it is expected that the current executive branch will be trying to make future changes to the US Supreme Court that will overcome the slim minority of pro-Second Amendment judges.
The battle fronts keep changing.
PairOfLabs
It looks like the anti-gunners will be trying to run "end-arounds" the lawmakers in Congress by employing beaurocratic means (un-elected officials like BATF and IRS) to fight their battles. In addition, we need to be wary of attempts being made to subvert our Constitution and Bill of Rights to the demands of the United Nations. And finally, it is expected that the current executive branch will be trying to make future changes to the US Supreme Court that will overcome the slim minority of pro-Second Amendment judges.
The battle fronts keep changing.
PairOfLabs
I appreciate the NRA. I'm an on again off again member.
I look at the numbers and ask myself, who has killed more people the rogue individual like the Giffords shooter or goverments? I think of Hitler, Stalin, Polpot, ect. The number of people that goverments have killed is staggering. I'll take my gun and chances with the rogue nut thank you. I see clips from WWII where a trench coated Mauser toting thug seperates a little girl from her mother like a farmer would his pig. I saw several young Bosnian men, their hands tied behind their backs, lined up and gunned down by Serbs.
I think about BHO wanting a national police force which makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. I like seeing all the ARs and the bulk ammo available to me. It keeps the Yale and Harvard eletist progressives honest for now. Unfortunately we can't eat guns and bullets. We have built an ecological trap for ourselves with modern farming practices and the dependency on foreign oil.
I look at the numbers and ask myself, who has killed more people the rogue individual like the Giffords shooter or goverments? I think of Hitler, Stalin, Polpot, ect. The number of people that goverments have killed is staggering. I'll take my gun and chances with the rogue nut thank you. I see clips from WWII where a trench coated Mauser toting thug seperates a little girl from her mother like a farmer would his pig. I saw several young Bosnian men, their hands tied behind their backs, lined up and gunned down by Serbs.
I think about BHO wanting a national police force which makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. I like seeing all the ARs and the bulk ammo available to me. It keeps the Yale and Harvard eletist progressives honest for now. Unfortunately we can't eat guns and bullets. We have built an ecological trap for ourselves with modern farming practices and the dependency on foreign oil.
grouchyolddude
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the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms.??.. sounds more like it should be the name of a convenience store than a government office...
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carptom1
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