NRA - Why or Why Not?

[CRP]

I'm not for some of the things that the NRA does, but they have more influance over the "right to keep and bear" than any other group.

Regarding all this drivel over what is sporting or what is "extreme", the 2nd Amendment IS NOT about duck hunting, it is about the right to keep and bear arms, PERIOD! Black guns, green guns, brown guns, they are all the same. If you don't like BLACK guns then don't buy one.

The sad thing here is a lot of old-timers that used to be very Pro-Gun are now turning soft over their position on guns the MSM deems unsuitable. I know a few Grampa's who are absolutely against the so-called "Sat night specials" but hide a ultra compact .25 or .32 in the glove box of their truck. These types also turn in their NRA memberships because the NRA dares to fight against banning the guns these types don't like. You can either stand WITH fellow gun owners or Against them.

Do you want the MSM and gov't to decide that you are limited to a 4 cyl electric car or pickup? Do you want the MSM and gov't to limit your big 17' bass boat to oars only? How about them limiting you to a 1000 sq ft home?

England and Australia caved in to ridding their society of their "evil" handguns/high-cap mags/BLACK rifles etc, only because they don't have our 2nd Amendment.

 

[oldandnew]

OK, maybe they don't record every serial number of the guns you buy, but they know you bought a gun, from who, and exactly where to go and how to find out. Do they need a better road map? That would take minutes to begin the roundup. They now require manufacturers to place signature tagging agents in powder so that in residue, they can identify the batch and manufacturer, and trace it to purchasers, they do the same with some nitrogen based farm fertilizer. Some areas require you to sign for ammunition, presumablly, your feeding that to something, so the government has access to that as well.

 

[moellermd]

OK, maybe they don't record every serial number of the guns you buy, but they know you bought a gun, from who, and exactly where to go and how to find out. Do they need a better road map? That would take minutes to begin the roundup.

I am sorry officer I no longer own those guns. I sold them all to a guy who goes by "grouchyolddude" on the internet. I sure hope you can track them down.

 

[steele]

This is a great quote. Sorry i have to go the aluminum foil is falling off of my hat.

Better save your Al foil, if Saudi Arabia falls you'll need it to cook the carp you catch.

 

[CRP]

The "taggants" in the powder requirement has never been approved, only suggested by our loony gov't overseers. Adding taggants would change the burning rate and alter the chemical properties, but that wouldn't bother those agencies either................

 

[GSP]

OK, maybe they don't record every serial number of the guns you buy, but they know you bought a gun, from who, and exactly where to go and how to find out. Do they need a better road map? That would take minutes to begin the roundup.

It might take minutes to begin the roundup, but it would take someone's life time to complete it. Not to mention the fact that now you're getting into violating fourth ammendment rights too. Search and seizure. Forget about it, nobody's rounding up anybody's guns.

The problem is that every body wants to pick and choose what rights they want defended. It doesn't work that way. Or at least it shouldn't.

And please, if you take one thing away from this thread, just ONE thing, I would hope that it would be removing the term "assault rifle" from your vocabulary. I cringe at the fact that there are still gun owners/sportsman who refer to ANY rifle as an "assault rifle."

 

[GSP]

O&N, I wasn't directing the "you" at you. I mean "you" as in anyone reading this.

 

[CRP]

Any "roundups" would be only be by the foreign UN blue helmet brigade, which have no allegiance to the US or our constitution. VERY few US soldiers/LE would follow orders in any roundup attempt on their friends/neighbors/fellow citizens.

 

[grouchyolddude]

I am sorry officer I no longer own those guns. I sold them all to a guy who goes by "grouchyolddude" on the internet. I sure hope you can track them down.

Like tracking a sparrow across a flat rock!...

 

[henhenROOSTER!!!]

Dang, I'm SKEERED to wade into this ruckus - might get waylaid Daniel Boone style with a "one-shot/one-kill" muzzleloader or scattergun, riddled full of holes w/a class III, or blasted into oblivion w/a 50 cal!!!

Feel free to fire away after I'm done - as usual some good points being made on all sides, but I for one simply do not have the luxury of time to get drug/bogged-down into in an endless tit-for-tat...

My measly two cents:
The 2nd amendment has far more to do with those "crazy" self-defense militia types some of you are talking about, rather than hunting - it says absolutely NOTHING about a sportsman's right to carry genteel arms for the purpose of pursuing wildlife, but rather something-something about a "well armed militia" (written with an Englandesque version of Hitler, Stalin, ect. lingering fresh in mind)...ALL of us gun owners (hunters included - especially of helpless little birds, rabbits & cute bambi) are increasingly portrayed as a bunch of bloodthirsty psycos, extremists & killers by a subtly brainwashed & softie, pie-in-the-sky society. "A Kingdom Divided Against Itself" hurling accusations at each other of what is appropriate/acceptable according to each of our own personal taste or standards is of little help to our cause as fellow gun owners.

My weigh-in for the record: I own brown guns, black guns & itty-bitty ones with pearly white handles. I am a member of the NRA solely because of their clearly-stated primary mission/goal of protecting our 2nd amendment right for citizens to bear arms period - even though I do not like many of their current approach/PR-tactics any more than some of you (and I do hope they are watching/listening-to/taking-note-of this kind of chatter from their constituents). But I wholeheartedly agree with their bottom-line & unwavering mission! Do not think 4 a NY millisecond that some of the "loonies" on the other side of the aisle have in mind stopping @ "assault rifles" & high capacity mags if they can ever manage to get their foot firmly wedged in the crack in the door.

Remember: A "fanatic" or "extremist" is nothing more than someone who happens to be a little too excited about something that you or I are either "radically" opposed to or don't give a rat's-@$$ about...God bless the USA, where at least for now we are all still free to be so passionate/expressive in our wildly disparaging positions!!! :cheers:

 

[beaglebob1]

It might take minutes to begin the roundup, but it would take someone's life time to complete it. Not to mention the fact that now you're getting into violating fourth ammendment rights too. Search and seizure. Forget about it, nobody's rounding up anybody's guns.

The problem is that every body wants to pick and choose what rights they want defended. It doesn't work that way. Or at least it shouldn't.

And please, if you take one thing away from this thread, just ONE thing, I would hope that it would be removing the term "assault rifle" from your vocabulary. I cringe at the fact that there are still gun owners/sportsman who refer to ANY rifle as an "assault rifle."

Hitler is the one who named the assault rifle
The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally "storm rifle", as in "to storm a position"). The name was coined by Adolf Hitler[6] to describe the Maschinenpistole 43, subsequently re-named Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first assault rifle that served to popularise the concept and form the basis for today's modern assault rifles.

The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[7][8][9]

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
It must be capable of selective fire;
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (984 feet)
Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such. For example, semi-automatic-only rifles that share designs with assault rifles such as the AR-15 (which the M16 rifle is based on) are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus not selective fire. Belt-fed weapons (such as the M249 SAW) or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines. However, in this case, the M249 SAW has the ability for both being fed by belt or detachable box magazine.

The term "assault rifle" is often more loosely used for commercial or political reasons to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or semi-automatic variant of military rifles such as AR-15s.

The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges."[10]

[edit] Assault rifles vs. Assault weaponsThe term assault weapon is a United States political and legal term used to describe a variety of semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military assault rifles. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified the definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine containing more than 10 rounds, and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Primary pistol grip
Forward grip
Threaded barrel (for a Suppressor, commonly called a silencer)
Barrel shroud
The assault weapons ban did not restrict weapons capable of fully automatic fire, such as assault rifles and machine guns, which have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed. Subsequent laws such as the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 also affected the importation and civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms, the latter fully prohibiting sales of newly-manufactured machine guns to non-law enforcement or SOT (special occupational taxpayer) dealers

 

[Uncle Buck]

Why or why not?= If not, who?

 

[jnormanh]

I'll never join the NRA because they spend most of their effort in the interest of a few who think they should own assault weapons and 31 round handgun mags.

My second amendment rights are being protected just fine by the Supreme Court. Their opinion counts for everything, the NRAs counts for nothing.

 

[beaglebob1]

I'll never join the NRA because they spend most of their effort in the interest of a few who think they should own assault weapons and 31 round handgun mags.

My second amendment rights are being protected just fine by the Supreme Court. Their opinion counts for everything, the NRAs counts for nothing.

tell them that in Chicago and DC

 

[jmac]

I'll never join the NRA because they spend most of their effort in the interest of a few who think they should own assault weapons and 31 round handgun mags.

My second amendment rights are being protected just fine by the Supreme Court. Their opinion counts for everything, the NRAs counts for nothing.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. And yes, I belong to the NRA. Why or why not? Here is why:

They are the only people protecting our second amendment rights. I have let this go for too long, it is a great thread, but please people, if they show up on your front door and demand your guns........what are you going to do????

You people can argue one side or the other and great points have been made on both sides of this argument. What if the Nazis show up at our door step? Is your life worth it? Sure we can all say we are going to shoot anybody that shows up on our doorstep for our weapons...........is this really realistic??? You going to shoot a fed? Going to spend the time in prison? I mean PLEASE.

The NRA is the best friend that we have. Continue what we have, the right to own guns. That is the second amendment. Those of you that think you can bad mouth them for lobbying, that is all we have. WAKE UP. This is the only thing that we have that is protecting it, that is our right to own guns.

Sorry of this offends anybody but you better wake up. :cheers:

 

[beaglebob1]

Simply because i am bored I would like to respond on a couple of issues:

1. Not being a member of the NRA makes me as irresponsible as being a member makes someone responsible as a gun owner.
2. England's gun laws are not accurately portrayed by Bob. My brother was transferred there and lived there for ten years. He also hunted while in the UK. One thing to know before referencing England, is that hunting was left to the nobles. Guns were not owned by the common man in the 15th century so they learned to live without. Currently you can own a shotgun or bolt action rifle after obtaining a permit. Yes handguns and assault rifles are illegal. But it is not impossible to own a gun in England. He went hunting many times with his boss who owned and kept multiple guns.
3. It is interesting that with their restrictive gun laws the murder rate is lowest among industrialized nations. I know I know guns don't kill people, people kill people.
4. I really do not have a hard on for the NRA. It really does not have much of an effect on me.
5. And by the way the assault rifle ban enacted in 94 did cover semi-auto shotguns...... if they had a folding stock, pistol grips or held more than 5 rounds. Even as bad as i shoot, i can't afford more than 5 shells per bird.
Hardly the autos that i have in my gun cabinet.
6. By the way, in case somebody thinks that i am anti-gun in anyway, i have a concealed carry and also own a .50 cal.
7. I do find it funny that if an opinion goes against the grain in these forums, the gloves come off pretty fast.

Just remember you will learn more from a differing opinion than you will ever learn from your own.

Your brother never owned a gun in Britian my friend.
It's only really shotguns and rifles that are legal and you need a reason to own one (like your a farmer and you need it for pest control). I think there is something like 300 000 people own guns in the UK out of a population of 60 million.

To get a gun you need to

a) satisfy to the police that you have a valid reason for needing a gun

b) have a lock box where the gun will be securely stored and satisfy to the police that you will be the only person with the key (or knowledge of they key's location) to access the box

c) Pass a 30 minute interview with a police officer who will go to your house. He will interview you to determine your good nature, character and suitability for owning a gun.

d) i'm sure you can't have been convicted of any serious crime and up on recieving your gun license it will be reviewed if you are caught breaking any law (including minor ones like littering or getting a speeding fine).
So the NRA does help. The anti gunners have a voice and if the NRA was not around things would be ugly..

 

[carptom1]

did i ever say my brother owned a gun? when i read it, i did not see where i did. As a non resident i seriously doubt he would ever be given a permit Actually my response was to you saying gun ownership was not available at all. Believe me i have no love affair with Europe. My point all along is that I don't buy into the fear based " they are going to take all my guns". Just my opinion. You all can laugh at me when the " Nazis" show up to take my gun. I don't think associating myself with militia types furthers my enjoyment as a hunter. Ted Nugent certainly does not help. Now Larry the cable guy. maybe.

 

[moellermd]

tell them that in Chicago and DC

Oh yea that crazy no good good extremist group brought the law suit against both cities. And both plaintiffs in that case only wanted to keep a handgun in there own house. What a radical thought, being able to have a gun in your own house.

 

[jmac]

Carptom1,
Guess not , but your answer is very funny. LOL LOlm. It's all good bro. Let it go I have.:cheers::cheers:

 

[beaglebob1]

did i ever say my brother owned a gun? when i read it, i did not see where i did. As a non resident i seriously doubt he would ever be given a permit Actually my response was to you saying gun ownership was not available at all. Believe me i have no love affair with Europe. My point all along is that I don't buy into the fear based " they are going to take all my guns". Just my opinion. You all can laugh at me when the " Nazis" show up to take my gun. I don't think associating myself with militia types furthers my enjoyment as a hunter. Ted Nugent certainly does not help. Now Larry the cable guy. maybe.

Read it again. Never said that you could not own a firearm. Hand Guns NO. Shotguns and rifles yes and most are kept at shooting clubs locked up. Getting one to keep at home tough and lots get turned down. Think it can not happen here, think again. Keeping vigilant is what I think for me. Cant speak for U.:cheers: