The great debate!

BritChaser said:
Can't imagine hunting the open country of the Kansas Great Plains with anything other than a pointing breed that ranges out to find the birds for you.
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I can't either, but then I'm not as sporting as some. Guys will handicap themselves in many different ways in order to give the birds a fair chance. Most will choose to shoot a smaller gauge gun, like a 20 28 or even a 410. But those guys don't hold a candle to the ones who are willing to use an inferior type of dog...;) Show me a guy who is hunting upland birds with a Labrador... now there's a REAL sportsman.:10sign:

Joking of course.:D

Carptom, I thought you had some good points there, and I think most guys would agree with you. But I thought the point of this thread was trash talking.:confused:
 
SetterNut said:
Carptom, I think you covered it pretty well. Both types of dogs have their strengths and weaknesses.

Thanks for the kind words on Indy. You can tell a lot about where the bird is and how sure the dog is about it being there, based on how they point. In that picture Indy is well off the pigeon maybe 25 yards, and that is why he is so tall. If he is close to one, he will be lower generally.


Man bird season can't get here soon enough.
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I think the late Gene Hill said it best: "I like them all—pointers, setters, retrievers, spaniels—what have you. I've had good ones and bad of several kinds. Most of the bad ones were my fault and most of the good ones would have been good under any circumstances." I have been greatly blessed to live with and hunt with some good dogs, I am genuinely grateful for the opportunities. Whether it's pointer or flusher or retriever it's a magnificent privilege to share the field with a hunting dog. I have only hunted over pointing dogs and there are times when I can see how a flushing dog would handle the cover better but to me bird hunting is more about "how" than "how many". I can't emphasize enough "Most of the bad ones were my fault".

Now that we are all basking in the warm glow of congeniality and just before we all hold hands and sing Kum Ba Yah .... if you talk smack about my Setters I'll have to go Jack Bauer on you.
 
Such great pics of dogs. Thanks to all for posting them.
 
Dog Gun Time said:
I think the late Gene Hill said it best: "I like them all—pointers, setters, retrievers, spaniels—what have you. I've had good ones and bad of several kinds. Most of the bad ones were my fault and most of the good ones would have been good under any circumstances." I have been greatly blessed to live with and hunt with some good dogs, I am genuinely grateful for the opportunities. Whether it's pointer or flusher or retriever it's a magnificent privilege to share the field with a hunting dog. I have only hunted over pointing dogs and there are times when I can see how a flushing dog would handle the cover better but to me bird hunting is more about "how" than "how many". I can't emphasize enough "Most of the bad ones were my fault".

Now that we are all basking in the warm glow of congeniality and just before we all hold hands and sing Kum Ba Yah .... if you talk smack about my Setters I'll have to go Jack Bauer on you.
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You are clearly a wise man that knows quality when he sees it. :D
 
Here is a couple of Pics of a 2 year old lab Pointing and Honoring setters in NW Wyoming on Sage Grouse, He is out of Snakey Jake, Gator has been brought uip on wild birds and i am a big believer that training on wild birds is the best way to have a outstanding bird dog, IMO


Gator Honoring point,
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On Point with a Setter Honoring

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Uncle Buck said:
I have held my tongue long enough. Hunting quail with a flusher is sacreligious. God invented quail for pointing dogs. Nothing agin' flushers, just not on quail.
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Well not to put a point in it, if it's not a pointer with a tail, and has a 200 year pedigree, and hunts with guys with high boots, tan khakis, and bespoke double guns, it looks wrong, with bobwhite on the agenda. Pheasants on the other hand can be successfully hunted by Sears pump guns and beagles.
 
Uncle Buck said:
I have held my tongue long enough. Hunting quail with a flusher is sacreligious. God invented quail for pointing dogs. Nothing agin' flushers, just not on quail.
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AGREED!!!!!!!! i do like a pointer pointing and a lab or whatever kind of flusher flushing the birds that way everyone gets a shot i love when someone else flushes always seems easier to me dead eye as i am lol:D
 
Uncle Buck said:
I have held my tongue long enough. Hunting quail with a flusher is sacreligious. God invented quail for pointing dogs. Nothing agin' flushers, just not on quail.
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I say run what you brung and I bring springers. I have yet, in 5 seasons of hunting quail religiously, seen a pointy dog (of any kind) in the mountains, hills, valleys, or deserts out here. I'm sure they're out here I've just never seen them. Come west, there's enough quail country out here for all dogs.
 
quail hound said:
I say run what you brung and I bring springers. I have yet, in 5 seasons of hunting quail religiously, seen a pointy dog (of any kind) in the mountains, hills, valleys, or deserts out here. I'm sure they're out here I've just never seen them. Come west, there's enough quail country out here for all dogs.
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That's ok QH, maybe we just like to be a little more sporting:D You know not having the advantage of knowing when a bird is coming up, snapping a couple of photos, digging the underwear out of our arse, couple deep breaths, get our feet planted firmly, then boom................. then we go out and pick up the bird while our dog watches us wondering what we are doing. Must be nice. Hell i would never miss either.:D

Ps. hunting those crafty buggers in the high desert looks like a blast. I wish I could come out with you, I am afraid that is probably past me with my bad knees and all.
 
@Carptom, yep we're a sporting bunch us flusher guys.:cheers:

@Js, how well do you think some of those flat land pointer guys would fair at 7-8000ft chasing mt quail or grouse in millions of acres of national forrest land?:thumbsup:

Ok I'm just having fun with you guys but when you get to sayin my two favorite things in life, springers and quail hunting, is sacreligious I must object strongly. You will meet no "gentlemen" quail out here.:cool:
 
jsdriggs said:
I think us flusher guys are getting outnumbered here. We remain silent too long.

This might have more to do with fitness than sporting breeds. Most pointer folks could never keep up with my dogs. Too much cardio work for the average Orvis model!
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God so loved the world he gave us Flushers. Pointer owners were given a big mouth and a pair of gloves. The mouth to blow smoke signals for the indians and tell tall tales, Like their dogs. The gloves so they can wade through cover, flushing the bird for their dog. And Also so their hands don't get too blistered from picking up the birds the dog does not.:D Don't want a pointer guy getting spurred when he has to go retrieve a big rooster. Make sure you Pointy guys remember your gloves now.:thumbsup: Might be why in AKC pointer trials they don't shoot and retrieve game? Oh, and don't forget your horse so you can go find your anti social hunt for your self dog. Gotta love em. :)
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quail hound said:
@Carptom, yep we're a sporting bunch us flusher guys.:cheers:

@Js, how well do you think some of those flat land pointer guys would fair at 7-8000ft chasing mt quail or grouse in millions of acres of national forrest land?:thumbsup:

Ok I'm just having fun with you guys but when you get to sayin my two favorite things in life, springers and quail hunting, is sacreligious I must object strongly. You will meet no "gentlemen" quail out here.:cool:
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East of the Colorado boarder Quail means Bobs. So its permissible for you to hunt western quail with a flushing dog.
We will not have to string you up :thumbsup::D
 
SetterNut said:
East of the Colorado boarder Quail means Bobs. So its permissible for you to hunt western quail with a flushing dog.
We will not have to string you up :thumbsup::D
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Well keep a rope warm for me because JP and I will be hunting our way east finishing up our quail bucket list (we need blues, mearns, and bobs) in the next couple years.:cheers:
 
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