The great debate!

Nice pics (again!)

LOL....hey I got one setternut. How many pointers does it take to find a bird?:D


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Enjoyed watching your dog work.

I need to take some video of my two working birds.

There are several ways that a dog can work birds. Each works best in certain situation.

Your lab is closer, with more methodical approach. Great for heavier cover.

My setters are well out of gun range 100 -300 yards, moving fast and going from cover to cover. This is great when the birds are spread out.


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And some folks think they need to teach retrievers how to retrieve. They plop out of Mom's womb wanting to find, flush and retrieve. My dad always said trying to teach a lab to retrieve is like trying to teach someone how to breathe.

Bottom line -- them pointy types like to see majesty and hard points and don't mind a little extra work finding and retrieving their dinner. Us lab guys wanna eat. Mayeb that's why we like them so much -- shared interest!:D
 
I would say that it takes less training to have a serviceable lab / flusher, than it does for a serviceable pointing dog.

While a good retreiver will retrieve from the start, a quaility pointing dog will point out of the gate.

The bird work and hunting styles are just different between the two types of dogs.
The type birds, cover and personal prefference is what leads people to one or the other,


...... OH and classy good looks :D

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See! My point (sorry) exactly! Handsome is handsome but get me a filthy retriever! Charging through the much and awful. I don't need purty. I need birds I can shoot. So do Daisy and Buck.
 
I bet there's one thing we can all agree on, that's its nice to have this fun conversation without having Shadow here to tells us why all of our dogs suck and his are better at everything.:D:cheers:
 
That dude actually frightened me. Kept me from posting. Daisy said she'd bite him in the face, but I think that would be inappropriate.:confused:
 
Funny story. My daughter and I ran out to the dog park for awhile today, to take a break from the 100 degree heat, anyway we went down to the water to throw some bumpers for my flabadore. There were several guys with there hunting dogs as usual. Let me see, there was a guy with a setter, a guy with a vizsla, a GSP, and a guy with a weimaraner. The only dog that would get in the water past ten feet or so was the GSP. The other dogs looked like they were scared to get their feet wet ( even though the guy with the Weimaraner was knee deep in the lake pleading with his dog to go in). Anyway the GSP decided he wanted to try to get my fatties bumper a couple times. I started getting a kick out of having my dog start 50 or so feet from shore while the GSP tried to swim out ( if you want to call it that) and get the bumper that was thrown a 150 or so feet into the lake. Buddy broke his spirit quickly and he decided this game was one he couldn't win. My daughter laughed out loud when buddy plowed the Vizsla over while attacking the water. No dog ever got more than 50 feet from shore before they got " scared" and turned around. Funny stuff.
 
carptom1 said:
Funny story. My daughter and I ran out to the dog park for awhile today, to take a break from the 100 degree heat, anyway we went down to the water to throw some bumpers for my flabadore. There were several guys with there hunting dogs as usual. Let me see, there was a guy with a setter, a guy with a vizsla, a GSP, and a guy with a weimaraner. The only dog that would get in the water past ten feet or so was the GSP. The other dogs looked like they were scared to get their feet wet ( even though the guy with the Weimaraner was knee deep in the lake pleading with his dog to go in). Anyway the GSP decided he wanted to try to get my fatties bumper a couple times. I started getting a kick out of having my dog start 50 or so feet from shore while the GSP tried to swim out ( if you want to call it that) and get the bumper that was thrown a 150 or so feet into the lake. Buddy broke his spirit quickly and he decided this game was one he couldn't win. My daughter laughed out loud when buddy plowed the Vizsla over while attacking the water. No dog ever got more than 50 feet from shore before they got " scared" and turned around. Funny stuff.
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Should of had my Brittany there. She loves the water and is darn near as fast in the water as she is on land. :)
 
quail hound said:
I bet there's one thing we can all agree on, that's its nice to have this fun conversation without having Shadow here to tells us why all of our dogs suck and his are better at everything.:D:cheers:
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Thanks QH, I just stopped having nightmares about him a couple weeks ago. He used to send me hate e-mail when I would yank his chain.
 
I kind of feel sorry for Shadow, I think the guy just doesn't have much to do, and wants to be looked up to and well thought of. But the people skills may be a little weak :rolleyes:

BTW it a good thing labs are quick in the water, because on land they are not the fastest horse in the race :p

My setters are not big on water. But they walk on it :p

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This has been fun. We must be horribly bored, posting jabs at each other the last three days. I just can't wait until sept 1st.
 
This is the first thread I've started on here and I gotta say, I am IMPRESSED with the good folks one here. It's such a fun rivalry on who's dogs are the best and I live seeing all your pics. I just took a 4 year break from hunting due to my time in the military, with nothing but a few upland and waterfowl hunts I was able to sneak in. I tell you, I definitely am excited to get back it and shoot an array of birds. Oh, BTW, my labs are still the best gun dogs that walk the earth! LOL!:D
 
carptom1 said:
This has been fun. We must be horribly bored, posting jabs at each other the last three days. I just can't wait until sept 1st.
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Me too.

Doves are fun as a tune-up for bird season. But I am looking forward to early prairie chicken season around 9/15. then my first trip to MT.

Pretty worried about quail and pheasants in ks this year again. Not looking good rain / cover wise.
 
SetterNut said:
Me too.

Doves are fun as a tune-up for bird season. But I am looking forward to early prairie chicken season around 9/15. then my first trip to MT.

Pretty worried about quail and pheasants in ks this year again. Not looking good rain / cover wise.
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I haven't chicken hunted in years. One place a Lab wouldn't fare too well
 
You can tell that we are all bored and ready to hunt.

I noticed there have not been any pics of English Pointers. What's the problem, you guys can't find your dogs???

Does anyone else have a combination of flushers and pointers? There are situations where one in better than the other and vice versa.
 
jeffstally said:
You can tell that we are all bored and ready to hunt.

I noticed there have not been any pics of English Pointers. What's the problem, you guys can't find your dogs???

Does anyone else have a combination of flushers and pointers? There are situations where one in better than the other and vice versa.
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yea,

they are still locked up in a crp field in kansas with their damn locator beeper going off. Don't get me started on those things. Like hunting next to a backing bread truck all day beep....beep....beep...beep...beep...beep...beep...beep....geez enough already.
 
Bored doesn't even begin to describe how me and the dogs feel right now. Put in for my sage grouse permit last night so I'll know mid August if I'm heading east (for sage hens) or north (ruffies) come Sept 8.:cheers:
 
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