The best/worse dog hunting breed??

[mustistuff]

best bird dogs

not quite done spouting off. of people that seem to be in a posting mood, not many are talking about springers yet they can be a force in the bird field and just gotta be good for something other than chasing tame quail in calif. the other surprise to me and so far have only seen one post recently is that of the puddelpointer, that was the dog that got so far from his owner that by the time he was found, nearly froze to death, more of them had to have survived than just that one. ol' man dave duffy, the writer, trainer, had lots and lots of good thoughts on the dog, apparently he never nearly lost one. the other dog that is a high percentage dog is the wirehair, they have a lot going for them and i don't hear much about them, they should be considered. gotta go clean my pheasants so i'll give ya a break. some of you "other" dog owners ought to speak up, maybe i could learn something

 

[terrym]

i know a lot of you guys love your britts, good for your as all dogs need a home. i have been around them for at least 25 years, never owned one but my hunting buddies have and i have seen a lot of them run in various competitions and every one and that is about 60 of them have all been ball droppers and i consider them a low percentage dog. good one's out there, i'm sure they are, just try and find one! i believe that their breeding program has been trying to catch up with the labs and irish setter and it need help. when they do point a bird, if find their high head and cocky posture a delight, problem being, it doesn't happen often enough. we all enjoy our thoughts, those are mine and whatever dog you have keep at it and enjoy

cheers

Wow. In 25 yrs you haven't been around any well bred Britts? I guess I got lucky then. My dog passed his 3 legs of the CKC FDJ level this summer with scores of 88-99-100. The judge who scored him a perfect 100 said it was only the second time he had given that out in 12 yrs of judging all breeds. The little bugger retrieves everything that hits the ground with a passion and does water retrieves also. I entered him in gun dog stakes just for fun this fall and he placed 3rd. The 2 dogs who beat him were 2 yrs older and both had open shooting dog field trial wins so for his first ever trial and exposure to horses also I consider he did OK. He weighs 43 lbs is solid muscle and can keep up to longer legged Setters quite easily in open cover and moves through dense bush like rabbit on steroids. With the Britts being such a popular breed and having so many great breeders and bloodlines around your findings just seem odd.

 

[brittboy]

i know a lot of you guys love your britts, good for your as all dogs need a home. i have been around them for at least 25 years, never owned one but my hunting buddies have and i have seen a lot of them run in various competitions and every one and that is about 60 of them have all been ball droppers and i consider them a low percentage dog. good one's out there, i'm sure they are, just try and find one! i believe that their breeding program has been trying to catch up with the labs and irish setter and it need help. when they do point a bird, if find their high head and cocky posture a delight, problem being, it doesn't happen often enough. we all enjoy our thoughts, those are mine and whatever dog you have keep at it and enjoy

cheers

60 dogs in 25 yrs, that's alot of britts. I'm not into the britt/setter vs GSP thing; we all know you love your dogs. My question is, why did your hunting buddies have britts. We all talk about our dogs with our buds; why did they like their dogs?

 

[mustistuff]

more britts

first of all terrym i am pleased that you got a great dog and are happy with him, you don't say much about hunting, that's where the rubber hits the road. the britts that i have been around, don't know much about their early life or how much time was really spent on them. i have never felt that good one's don't exist. years ago a friend bought over a period of several years two britts, money was no object and he searched the entire rocky mountain area, that's a lot of states, both dogs went to professional trainers, both dogs won their puppy points, both dogs were essentially useless in the field nor could they continue to compete as an adult dog. this is what supposedly the finest got him. at one time i was interested in the breed but here in the denver area for many many months nothing showed for sale that wasn't a bunch of mutts that some family wanted to sell, hunting stock, show stock, mostly no stock so i quit. i have shot birds over them and i like their attitude on point, not all britts are soft headed either, they, like other dogs come in hard headed bone heads like other breeds even though more tend on the soft side. years ago we as a group had poor luck finding dogs with the right background and surely some are trying to bread the best, the dog became a family pet, kinda like the labs and most labs today are close to useless, a good one is a delight however. not looking for a fight today, why people tend to like one dog over the other, most of it is cause of ignorance, they pick and choose, some are happy some not but very few hunters have had the time, money and experience to really learn and when they make their pick don't seems to be able to hunt the hell out of the dog and the dog, just becomes another project that "i'm going to get too". i have also been around a few gsp that will make you shake your head also. cheers

cheers

 

[mustistuff]

liking their dogs

maybe it was just like their wife or girlfriend, got it and felt stuck with it. just don't know. several of my friends did in fact kinda give up on the britts and moved away from the breed. lot of bird dogs out there are liked cause the owner just hasn't put in the time and or doesn't know any better, we all have that problem from time to time on many things. as far as a lot of great breeders and bloodlines out there, i doubt that that is the case, even if it were, how do you think the average guy interested in a hunting dog could find one, most guys can't even understand the pedigree papers and most gun dogs are bought cause of the interest at the time and here it is. i surely started out that way, or understand the difference and there may not be any, from a hunting stock or field trial stock, a combination of the two might be nice but most people don't know that. a number of years ago i bought a gsp pup from a lady and it was out of rawhide's clown. rawhides's clown is in the bird dog hall of fame making him one big deal dog. the lady never head of him and i bet the hunters that bought the other pups didn't have a clue nor even cared. they wanted a gsp and there it was cheers again

 

[SetterNut]

What I have found is that there are good and bad dogs in every breed.
The owner and the amount of bird exposure a dog gets has a lot to do with how the dog turns out.

I went for several years and did not hunt with a GSP that I thought much of, but I have hunted with a few in the last few years that are good. The guys that own these better GSP know what they are doing and work their dogs on birds.

Britts used to be real popular in this area back in the 1980's, I dont run across many of them any more. You never used to see any Vizsla, and none of those hunted much, but now I have seen and hunted with several that I would be proud to own.

But the common tread to the good dogs is they have owners that have some idea of what they are doing and they get thier dogs into birds.

 

[brittboy]

60 britts in 25 yrs

Either you are the only one of your hunting buddies that doesn't own a britt, or you are very popular and have tons of hunting buddies. It just looks like the word would have gotten around and they would quit buying those dang "ball droppers"
German birds dogs are just..........well just........... sooooooo.........German

 

[mustistuff]

more dogs

you sure got that one right, surprised about the vizsla though, that is one of the dogs that is generally recommended not to buy as a pup, otherwise, considered a low percentage dog, as some other's are, doesn't mean that some out of the breed won't make the cut though. me, in spite of the damn dogs you own, would love to hunt over one, think the pudelpointer also would be interesting. surely my knowledge and experience is limited but i am able to hunt most every week, something, from the first of sept. thru the end of jan. i also know that one day your dog, depending lots of things like the weather etc and be the greatest, the next day wonder why you bother to feed him, kinda like my girlfriend i guess, i'm not that way though, steady i go. i also find that the older i get the more i believe in socializing the dog and the less actual training i do. if you never have, you should try and get a hold of some of dave duffey's writings. i really like the guy, he agrees with me. kinda like, ya want a good time with your dog, or do you go out to rag him to death, do ya bitch cause he didn't retrieve to hand or are you tickled shit less cause he found it and brought it almost all the way back most of the time. i think if you are into a lot of birds, don't give a damn. if you never are, ragging on the dog gives you something to do cause you are too stupid to put the dog in a field that has birds. gotta go pick up some nitrogen in the back yard, need any??????

chees

 

[mustistuff]

one more britt

something got misread. i nor my buddies have ever owned 60 or so britts, good one's or bad ones. i at one time or other have been around or seen about that many, some were entered in the maybe old pheasant forever contest. what i was trying to say, not that there are no good britts to be had, surely there are, it just seems to me from my experience that they are hard to come by, maybe most of these 60 or so britts had faulty owners, that could be but then at least on of these dog should have stood out. i know, there are more than 60 britts out there and i haven't seen them all, i never have said they didn't exist and even if they didn't, you got the dog, you like it, i think that is what it is all about. i had hunting labs for over 17 years and i wouldn't take one as a gift, it's because my hunting interest have changed, that's all, nothing against the breed but like some breeds more than others, getting a dog to be an excellent hunting companion can be a problem. if you got it figured out, wonderful, my dogs wouldn't bite yours just because he was a britt ya know. you might also take note that while i am involved with gsp, you have never heard me brag about them, i could though, just not going to. cheers to ya agin

 

[quail hound]

not quite done spouting off. of people that seem to be in a posting mood, not many are talking about springers yet they can be a force in the bird field and just gotta be good for something other than chasing tame quail in calif. the other surprise to me and so far have only seen one post recently is that of the puddelpointer, that was the dog that got so far from his owner that by the time he was found, nearly froze to death, more of them had to have survived than just that one. ol' man dave duffy, the writer, trainer, had lots and lots of good thoughts on the dog, apparently he never nearly lost one. the other dog that is a high percentage dog is the wirehair, they have a lot going for them and i don't hear much about them, they should be considered. gotta go clean my pheasants so i'll give ya a break. some of you "other" dog owners ought to speak up, maybe i could learn something

Lol.:cheers: Yeah springers can be good at things other than tame quail. Feels nice coming out of the NWR with the only bird taken of the day. Springers can also track birds when you knock them down less than dead and are even smart enough to pick them up by the back so as not to get spurred.:thumbsup:

 

[mustistuff]

rooster retrieve

your mutt looks like he just came our of the canal and stumbled across a helpless ol' rooster. never seen my gsp handle a bird like that, being afraid of getting spurred, what a wimp!! my female while not the most classy retriever in the world but will on her own time bring it too you has been bloodied twice in her life and it happens pretty quick and it affected her retieves. several years ago i picked up a wounded rooster to wring its neck and in a nano second i was bleeding from about 15 holes in my wrist, guess he didn't want his neck rung. while i have taught all my dogs to "hunt dead" one of mine, the one above is outstanding at figuring out a trail of a wounded birds, the other two work at it, one really gets it done. one way a pointing dogs mind works is that to run for hours hunting for a bird is fun, looking for a wounded one that is right in the area is work, so for most dogs one gets done and the other doesn't. phun pic, musta used a brownie

 

[quail hound]

Lol, no not a wimp just smart. That dog will hunt himself bloody and ask for more roses and berries. The pic was taken on about the 8th day of a 12 day trip. Old JP, the knot head will take no rest during hunting season. Even these pups are starting to get it.

They even have manners at dinner time.

 

[SDJIM]

If a pheasant had but one wish it would be: To be born into a world that was devoid of ENGLISH SPRINGER SPANIALS

 

[mustistuff]

good and bad breeds

hey guys, i just got warned again and i am pissed. anyway what i'd like to do is throw this out to you. the warning came concerning what is the good and bad breeds and i have been accused of bad mouthing your particular breed, and or your particular dog, maybe even you as a hunter/trainer, who knows. i have re-read most of my post, true i have picked on a number of subjects, dogs included, stated some pretty well know facts in general concerning certain breeds. it was noted that maybe my problem is that i have had bad experiences with certain breeds, i have not. some stack up better than others and you all know that. i have been charged with trashing breeds, particular dogs and arguing with the various posters. i happen to think that none of this is true, all has been tongue in cheek and lively. if i have truly hurt your feelings, sorry, but most of this has been in fun and no arguments have incurred with anyone and that the moderator is out of line, not me. if you want me to shut up, let me know, maybe i'll change or just go away so ya all can be happy. i don't think it is up to one guy to shut someone up cause he can't stand the heat. if you all think i am wrong, i'll believe you. if any of you have truly read my post you will note that while i pick on a breed i never leave off without saying something good about it, even springers for that matter, some britts and there are a lot of them, included, god knows there is a smart setter out there, could be a pointer also that didn't get lost on its last hunt or a lab that hunted ahead of its owner instead of behind him. i don't feel that i have ever argued with anyone nor been nasty with you or your dogs but some of my repies have been less than friendly. you are probably lucky that i am not picking on your wife or girlfriend. in fairness with the moderator, i tried to answer his private letter to me but wasn't smart enough to figure out how to send the reply. he will have to read it here but don't believe he is reading much. anyway, you can let me know either in other post or privately, you don't have to listen to me, i don't have to be here but it has been fun till now

 

[terrym]

Ok bonehead's get one of these and you got a dog!

Now that is impressive. That popsicle picture belongs on the cover of gundog magazine.:10sign:

 

[Kismet]

Mustistuff?

Since you asked, your posts have seemed aggressively critical, and really not funny at all.

I was looking for the "ignore" function after the last bit.


Might be time to temper your sense of what is funny.


youasked.

 

[carptom1]

hey guys, i just got warned again and i am pissed. anyway what i'd like to do is throw this out to you. the warning came concerning what is the good and bad breeds and i have been accused of bad mouthing your particular breed, and or your particular dog, maybe even you as a hunter/trainer, who knows. i have re-read most of my post, true i have picked on a number of subjects, dogs included, stated some pretty well know facts in general concerning certain breeds. it was noted that maybe my problem is that i have had bad experiences with certain breeds, i have not. some stack up better than others and you all know that. i have been charged with trashing breeds, particular dogs and arguing with the various posters. i happen to think that none of this is true, all has been tongue in cheek and lively. if i have truly hurt your feelings, sorry, but most of this has been in fun and no arguments have incurred with anyone and that the moderator is out of line, not me. if you want me to shut up, let me know, maybe i'll change or just go away so ya all can be happy. i don't think it is up to one guy to shut someone up cause he can't stand the heat. if you all think i am wrong, i'll believe you. if any of you have truly read my post you will note that while i pick on a breed i never leave off without saying something good about it, even springers for that matter, some britts and there are a lot of them, included, god knows there is a smart setter out there, could be a pointer also that didn't get lost on its last hunt or a lab that hunted ahead of its owner instead of behind him. i don't feel that i have ever argued with anyone nor been nasty with you or your dogs but some of my repies have been less than friendly. you are probably lucky that i am not picking on your wife or girlfriend. in fairness with the moderator, i tried to answer his private letter to me but wasn't smart enough to figure out how to send the reply. he will have to read it here but don't believe he is reading much. anyway, you can let me know either in other post or privately, you don't have to listen to me, i don't have to be here but it has been fun till now

Maybe we should start a poll If you say something good about Labs I will vote for you to stay

 

[oldandnew]

If Mustistuff, Gets thrown out, it will set a record. What the heck I say we let him stay. It's almost the off season, we need weird conversation to keep us fresh! You shorthair guys can keep him in check.

 

[quail hound]

If Mustistuff, Gets thrown out, it will set a record. What the heck I say we let him stay. It's almost the off season, we need weird conversation to keep us fresh! You shorthair guys can keep him in check.

:cheers::cheers:

 

[brittboy]

If Mustistuff, Gets thrown out, it will set a record. What the heck I say we let him stay. It's almost the off season, we need weird conversation to keep us fresh! You shorthair guys can keep him in check.

Hey, I'm in with the mustistuff. Maybe me and Sam will take him and those short hairs hunting one day.:cheers: