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Communist vs. Capitalist...

Always an interesting discussion,and the one thing that's always true is the Capitalist are proud of who they are. The commies will argue every way possible that they are not communist or socialist and that it's all for the children.
 
My wife is a teacher and although I wish she made more, there is no reason for the schools to pay more. When a position opens, there are 300 applicants. Why would they need to raise the salary if they can easily fill the position?

Maybe it is different elsewhere, but that is the situation here.
 
Communist vs. Capitalist...

Always an interesting discussion,and the one thing that's always true is the Capitalist are proud of who they are. The commies will argue every way possible that they are not communist or socialist and that it's all for the children.

Some of you really need to learn how to debate a subject. Seems those stanch conservatives when met with anything they don't agree with. Out comes the book of name calling and labeling. That tactic wins nothing and only helps move others further across the isle.
 
I'm not debating anything. Just observing.

It does no good to debate on here. Some of us want bigger government and some of us just want to be left alone.

Capitalist and socialist is just another way of saying that. If you think the current way this country is being run is good or even doesn't go far enough to help "spread the wealth" then you aren't somewhere in the middle. You are a socialist.

Again I'm not looking to debate why this or that doesn't work. Just making an observation of how these posts always end up going.
 
Most teachers have 4 or 5 years of college behind them, with additional training required yearly to keep their license. Most have dreamed of being a teacher for major parts of their life, even after completing student teaching. Then, reality hits. And even with their excessively high pay, and 3 months of vacation, about 50% leave the field in their first five years.

The science and math types of course leave because they actually know about science and math and get paid real money by business. The others because the classroom management skills, reading and writing skills, the ability to work with parents who are experts on their little precious bundle (you know him-the one killing cats with fire, crawling under doors in the girls bathroom, and other cute tricks)are valued in the real world. Some leave because they don't like kids, some are released forcibly.

Teachers are tough and courageous people-who else would let themselves be shut in with 20 to 30 children for 6 hours a day, 180 days a year, knowing that their financial wellbeing was based on what the little darlings learned.

I was in business management for years, my wife was a teacher. The union is still needed in many school districts. Many of the reasons that unions were formed still exist-experienced teachers fired because they cost more than the first year teacher, meaningless work rules imposed by the elected officials who have power but not ability, attempts to cut pay and benefit packages.
I see no reason to require any one join the union, provided they negotiate their own pay and benefit package and not share in the union packages or receive union assistance when having problems with management.
 
Most teachers have 4 or 5 years of college behind them, with additional training required yearly to keep their license. Most have dreamed of being a teacher for major parts of their life, even after completing student teaching. Then, reality hits. And even with their excessively high pay, and 3 months of vacation, about 50% leave the field in their first five years.

The science and math types of course leave because they actually know about science and math and get paid real money by business. The others because the classroom management skills, reading and writing skills, the ability to work with parents who are experts on their little precious bundle (you know him-the one killing cats with fire, crawling under doors in the girls bathroom, and other cute tricks)are valued in the real world. Some leave because they don't like kids, some are released forcibly.

Teachers are tough and courageous people-who else would let themselves be shut in with 20 to 30 children for 6 hours a day, 180 days a year, knowing that their financial wellbeing was based on what the little darlings learned.

I was in business management for years, my wife was a teacher. The union is still needed in many school districts. Many of the reasons that unions were formed still exist-experienced teachers fired because they cost more than the first year teacher, meaningless work rules imposed by the elected officials who have power but not ability, attempts to cut pay and benefit packages.
I see no reason to require any one join the union, provided they negotiate their own pay and benefit package and not share in the union packages or receive union assistance when having problems with management.

Couldn't agree more DougB:thumbsup:
 
Most teachers have 4 or 5 years of college behind them, with additional training required yearly to keep their license. Most have dreamed of being a teacher for major parts of their life, even after completing student teaching. Then, reality hits. And even with their excessively high pay, and 3 months of vacation, about 50% leave the field in their first five years.

The science and math types of course leave because they actually know about science and math and get paid real money by business. The others because the classroom management skills, reading and writing skills, the ability to work with parents who are experts on their little precious bundle (you know him-the one killing cats with fire, crawling under doors in the girls bathroom, and other cute tricks)are valued in the real world. Some leave because they don't like kids, some are released forcibly.

Teachers are tough and courageous people-who else would let themselves be shut in with 20 to 30 children for 6 hours a day, 180 days a year, knowing that their financial wellbeing was based on what the little darlings learned.

I was in business management for years, my wife was a teacher. The union is still needed in many school districts. Many of the reasons that unions were formed still exist-experienced teachers fired because they cost more than the first year teacher, meaningless work rules imposed by the elected officials who have power but not ability, attempts to cut pay and benefit packages.
I see no reason to require any one join the union, provided they negotiate their own pay and benefit package and not share in the union packages or receive union assistance when having problems with management.

3 months? Dang, I want to teach where she taught! :)
 
Communist vs. Capitalist...

Always an interesting discussion,and the one thing that's always true is the Capitalist are proud of who they are. The commies will argue every way possible that they are not communist or socialist and that it's all for the children.

Very well put. Can do's vs Can't do's. Free people vs slaves.

Oboma just gave a raise to all in goverment, and him self, thats our tax money. WTF

Didn't give a raise to teachers, just the fed gov. WOW

OP how many pay checks have you collected from people that are worth less money than you have???????????????? The problem with socialist form of goverment is, you run out of other peoples money to give away.

The problem with this county is simple. To dam many lazy people that don't what to earn it. In this country you are at, this time assured of a HIGH SCHOOL Education. If you work hard you can go on. If not you can start in a trade. Maybe end up with a small BIZ. The point is you have to work for it, And the choise is yours. YOU are not entitled to anything, and no one should be.

AS the duke stated, " Life is tough, and its even tougher when your dumb."
 
Some of you really need to learn how to debate a subject. Seems those stanch conservatives when met with anything they don't agree with. Out comes the book of name calling and labeling. That tactic wins nothing and only helps move others further across the isle.

Or when someone posts their view point and you respond to their statement with a laugh (LOL) as if to say "stupid fool just stop talking. Your point means nothing";)

Been on a YouTube debate lately OP? Believe me, it's generally not the "stanch conservatives" making the personal put down comments, and even wishing harm on folk and even their families.:eek:
 
Man I'm glad i'm staying out of the nastiness on here. Turned over a new leaf i tell ya. :D Thought others were going to do the same:D Oh well, gotta start somewhere.
 
Man I'm glad i'm staying out of the nastiness on here. Turned over a new leaf i tell ya. :D Thought others were going to do the same:D Oh well, gotta start somewhere.

Atta boy carp!:cheers:
 
I respond to something with a LOl to let others know it wasn't a seriously upsetting things, trying to keep things on a lighter note.

I'm doing my best to not throw any mud back. That is not my intention. I would like to keep this thread going in a positive direction. Some just can't leave out their out right hate for our president or his party. Why things have to lead to this is beyond me. We were going along real nice talking about our countries great teachers. Then all of a son it's about Obama, Liberals, lazy folks, communist, Etc, Etc, Etc. "Hate" is a terrible thing to cultivate. It can grow like quack grass and take over the whole countryside.

It was nice getting some of our members who are teachers chiming in and giving their views. If it can't continue in a more positive manner. Might just as well lock the thread down. It only drags the whole atmosphere down.

Onpoint.
 
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Man I'm glad i'm staying out of the nastiness on here. Turned over a new leaf i tell ya. :D Thought others were going to do the same:D Oh well, gotta start somewhere.


Right on Carp. You'll notice there's a lot of cats on this site who never touch this stuff. They know better and stay clear. Wish I could say the same:rolleyes:. Though I can say I resist the "tempting" threads/posts more often than I used to:). I've learned the globe doesn't stop spinning when I don't add my 2 cents into the mixing pot. Work in progress I suppose:D
 
I remember what I was like in school. I would have given myself a mental break down if I had to deal with me, if that makes any sense.
Heehee I got what I deserved, me in the classroom. I was a difficult kid but because of that I worked with the kids who were difficult. I got them thru my math classes, saved them from being kicked out of school(worked deals the principal and VP, although I'd anger some teachers because of this). I am proud of being a teacher and the brain damage I did. Alaskan retired teacher but still teaching when ever I see a kid in need.
 
Why is it wrong in this country to be paid a decent wage for a job? Maybe we should start taking wages from parents who's kids are buttbrains in school. Wait my parents would still be paying. Bad idea:) Nice thread guys:thumbsup: And where are NRA hats made?
 
Why is it wrong in this country to be paid a decent wage for a job? Maybe we should start taking wages from parents who's kids are buttbrains in school. Wait my parents would still be paying. Bad idea:) Nice thread guys:thumbsup: And where are NRA hats made?

NRA hats--of course

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Not that you asked but here is my REAL view on my educational career:

Had a psychology class interviewing teachers, coaches , and administrators. The question was, "what will you put on your headstone".

I know its not original, but never hesitated..."I Made a Difference".
 
You teachers need to move up to Ontario. Salaries start at $43K and within 10 years on the job the pay is $92K. The pension is 70% of salary with full health benefits, and most retire before 55.
 
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You teachers need to move up to Ontario. Salaries start at $43K and within 10 years on the job the pay is $92K. The pension is 70% of salary with full health benefits, and most retire before 55.

How many guns can I have ? May have to pack up! Wife could work and I could hunt!!! Win, Win !!!!:cheers:
 
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