I am about to give up on the forum. My opinion is that upland bird hunting will disappear in our lifetime. It might be. The result will be the ruffed grouse, woodcock, and ducks who by nature are far away from man's greedy grasp. The ducks might make it because some early preservationists made it a priority in the 1930's. I wish the quail, pheasant, and prairie chicken had it so good. I tire of the debate here. I am on a blog about trespassing rights, trying to defeat the theory that ethanol is good policy!!!! I would jump in and support you on the land prices forum but I don't have the heart. Better note, I am going to be at close to Itasca State Park, Minnesota last week of July and first of August, and I would like to meet and have lunch or something, with a fellow pheasant member with my point of view. Maybe the only one! Pete Engelman