goldenboy
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Mike, this is very interesting. I will have to check it out a little closer, thanks for the info!
Ford Eco Boost
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Mike, this is very interesting. I will have to check it out a little closer, thanks for the info!
birdshooter
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That Ram diesel puts out the same 420 lb/lbs torque but with less horsepower than my Ecoboost. The exception I'm afraid may be the cost of the diesel option alone.
The downsides to diesel as I see it are fuel price and cost of engine option. Unless you really need to haul something heavy, I just don't see the upsides being worth it in a half ton pickup. Besides, that's what they make the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks for.
But.... That's just me.
The downsides to diesel as I see it are fuel price and cost of engine option. Unless you really need to haul something heavy, I just don't see the upsides being worth it in a half ton pickup. Besides, that's what they make the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks for.
But.... That's just me.
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HolyMoses
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That Ram diesel puts out the same 420 lb/lbs torque as my Ecoboost with less horsepower. The exception I'm afraid may be the cost of the diesel option alone.
The downsides to diesel as I see it are fuel price and cost of engine option. Unless you really need to haul something heavy, I just don't see the upsides being worth it in a half ton pickup. Besides, that's what they make the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks for.
But.... That's just me.
The extra cost of maintenance and the initial purchase price of the dodge over the ecoboost will never be recovered.
Unless it gets 40 mpg or diesel gets cheaper than gas of course Lol!
onpoint
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Two of my friends now have Eco Boost Fords, both are getting around 17 mpg...a far cry from what is advertised. The new Eco-diesel Ram will get the claimed mpg..much easier to get good mileage from a diesel. The diesel option is $2800 over a standard Hemi. The diesel will most likely run 3-400,000 miles also or more during it's life. The Ram also has a 700 mile range between fill ups.
HolyMoses
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That is the lowest mileage I have ever heard of an eco boost getting. Is that highway, or mixed?
You would have to drive the diesel for 400,000 miles to cover the cost. Most won't.
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HolyMoses
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Look at it this way:
using manufacturers mpg numbers, which if you live in a state like Wisconsin where most speed limits are 55, are obtainable, the following would apply:
In 100,000 miles a ford eco boost getting 22 miles per gallon would use 4,545 gallons of gas. The 30 mpg dodge diesel will use 3,333 gallons of diesel. Using today's average price of $3.63 for gas, and $3.88 for diesel, the Dodge will save a whopping $3,566 over the course of 100,000 miles. That number obviously decreases when the price difference of diesel to gas increases as well, which can happen quite often. Now, using the previously mentioned $2800 up charge cost, and adding the extra maintenance costs associated with owning a diesel (def fluid, synthetic oil, more expensive filters, and whatnot), the average person will not save any money over the course of average ownership.
The EPA has essentially killed the "grocery getter/soccer mom diesel" demographic, looks like dodge is bringing it back.
The only real advantage would be the life span. While this would be great for fleets and people who rack up tons of miles, the average Joe isn't gonna put 400,000 miles on a half ton truck.
using manufacturers mpg numbers, which if you live in a state like Wisconsin where most speed limits are 55, are obtainable, the following would apply:
In 100,000 miles a ford eco boost getting 22 miles per gallon would use 4,545 gallons of gas. The 30 mpg dodge diesel will use 3,333 gallons of diesel. Using today's average price of $3.63 for gas, and $3.88 for diesel, the Dodge will save a whopping $3,566 over the course of 100,000 miles. That number obviously decreases when the price difference of diesel to gas increases as well, which can happen quite often. Now, using the previously mentioned $2800 up charge cost, and adding the extra maintenance costs associated with owning a diesel (def fluid, synthetic oil, more expensive filters, and whatnot), the average person will not save any money over the course of average ownership.
The EPA has essentially killed the "grocery getter/soccer mom diesel" demographic, looks like dodge is bringing it back.
The only real advantage would be the life span. While this would be great for fleets and people who rack up tons of miles, the average Joe isn't gonna put 400,000 miles on a half ton truck.
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birdshooter
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I agree But as I said if your towiing something heavy on a regular basis or on long trips as you would a camper trailer then you could make a case. Buying the diesel for the mileage for daily driving just doesn't make sense as the fuel price makes it a wash.
birdshooter
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Gas mileage is too much of a personal driving style. Everyone drives differently. I have a pretty light foot and with barely 1000 miles on the truck I'm averaging 20 mpg with 75/25 mix of highway vs town driving. I susspect this will only increase as the engine breaks in and or a long trip is monitored.
Many of us will never drive a vehicle to 300-400k miles, I know I won't. My 36 gallon tank gives me 660 miles if i run it down to a few gallons left. Don't fool yourself into thinking the Ecoboost is some frail engine that won't last. Just have a look at the torture test Ford put the Ecoboost thru. Likely no one will ever put their personal truck thru anything even close to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tEqwXrqzH4
I'm excited to see what the 2015 F-150 will bring with it's lighter overall weight without sacrificing strength. It can only mean more fuel efficiency and more power to boot.
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quail hound
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Ford suggests that you run premium fuel in the eco boost right? Around here premium and diesel are the same price. I'm afraid if you aren't running premium you are going to get detonation (or possibly hampered performance) under load in a gasser with that much boost being thrown at it.
birdshooter
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Here is the Ford Atlas, which was the concept truck at auto shows last winter and spring. The Atlas is the platform for the 2015 F-150 and hopefully most of the look and features will make it to the production truck.
Here is the first Vid I've seen of the Atlas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5g9fvpt-z4
Here is the first Vid I've seen of the Atlas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5g9fvpt-z4
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birdshooter
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I've been running regular 87 octane with no problems at all.
My owners manual says regular unleaded of 87 octane for the Ecoboost engine. It also states Premium fuel can be used for increased performance or when using it in severe duty applications such as towing.
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HolyMoses
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Yup.....but if you are in that situation, as you mentioned, a half ton truck is a bad choice to begin with. Amazing what people will use a half ton ton truck to pull nowadays.
The next question would be...even though the motor can make it, is any half ton made today capable of living 400,000 miles?
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birdshooter
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If I was going to be towing something at or near the limit of the Ecoboost F-150's capability on a regular basis, personally, I would opt for a Super Duty, not that the half ton couldn't do it, just that it makes more sense to go with the bigger truck.
As far as 400k, from personal experience, I have NO idea as I never even get close to that.
Theoretically, if one takes care of it, changes oil regularly, keeps it clean, keeps to regular scheduled maintenance intervals, I see no reason why it wouldn't last that long.
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onpoint
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My dad bought a brand new 1978 F100 with a 300 six and a three on the tree. That truck got 20 mpg....The Hemi V8 can get 20 mpg. Sorry, the Eco-boost is just a glorified V6. I'm not impressed. I like all brands of trucks too, so don't think I'm not a Ford guy.
birdshooter
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double post.
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birdshooter
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Sorry Onpoint, that off the cuff statement just won't fly if you bothered to dig into the details of the Ecoboost engine.
That's more than just glorified.
20mpg, hell... it's just breaking in. I fully expect at least 22 on a long trip. :cheers:
HolyMoses
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Lol, that made me laugh.
i think the ecoboost would work well in the 6-7K range pulling, several people i know have tried to do more than that and ended up trading for the super duty, i have put 40K hard miles on a 012 6.7 and i will tell you this, if you tow 11k on a long trip with an ecoboost, you are braver than me as my F350 will just barely pull 12k enclosed trailers up and down steep grades like i want it to.
Using a truck hard for a relatively short period of time is not a good test of long term durability. Ford's video is actually the best circumstance to get trouble free extreme service. Cold starts, electrical corrosion over time in connections that befuddle the computer and hot soaking your twin turbos many, many times like happens in real life will tell the tale.
Servicing a diesel is a big difference in expense gas vs. diesel. I just changed my oil and filter using synthetic in my gas Chevy for $30. A friend had his diesel serviced similarly and it cost him $300. I do mine when I get around to it and have put 365,00 miles on the truck with 265,000 on the original engine. Diesels you need to be more responsible and do it when it calls for it. There's no urea requirement for gas like there is for diesel too.
Besides, they stink. I was talking about Fords. That's right, I said it.
Diesel stinks too. Never found it appealing when I had it all over me at a place I worked.
I've hauled 6,000 lbs. of green oak rounds out of the Sierras in my 1/2 ton 5.7 Chevy and it only looked moderately squatty. 'course it was all downhill and I never went over 50 so I kind of cheated.
Servicing a diesel is a big difference in expense gas vs. diesel. I just changed my oil and filter using synthetic in my gas Chevy for $30. A friend had his diesel serviced similarly and it cost him $300. I do mine when I get around to it and have put 365,00 miles on the truck with 265,000 on the original engine. Diesels you need to be more responsible and do it when it calls for it. There's no urea requirement for gas like there is for diesel too.
Besides, they stink. I was talking about Fords. That's right, I said it.
Diesel stinks too. Never found it appealing when I had it all over me at a place I worked.
I've hauled 6,000 lbs. of green oak rounds out of the Sierras in my 1/2 ton 5.7 Chevy and it only looked moderately squatty. 'course it was all downhill and I never went over 50 so I kind of cheated.
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