Ford Eco Boost

[onpoint]

Sorry Onpoint, that off the cuff statement just won't fly if you bothered to dig into the details of the Ecoboost engine.

That's more than just glorified.




20mpg, hell... it's just breaking in. I fully expect at least 22 on a long trip. :cheers:

If your looking to sell me on this pip-squeak...your wasting your time. I have always owned 3/4 ton's or 1 ton's with big block V8 gas or diesel motors. It's a glorified grocery hauler.

 

[birdshooter]

If your looking to sell me on this pip-squeak...your wasting your time. I have always owned 3/4 ton's or 1 ton's with big block V8 gas or diesel motors. It's a glorified grocery hauler.

Not trying to sell you on anything.. But if your going to criticize the eco boost F-150 as being a weak glorified grocery greater, at least come armed with facts to back up your claim, not some off the cuff opinion based on your personal dislike of turbocharged V-6 engines.

Ford Eco boost is here to stay as new cafe standards are forcing automakers to comply to new mpg regulations. Like it or not, the days of the big block v-8's are slowly coming to an end with the exception of the work truck industry. But that's what's nice about Eco boost, you can have your cake and eat it to.

 

[Mo_GSP]

This is very interesting. I thought about selling my Super Duty 7.3 and getting a 1/2 ton ecoboost. I'm wondering tho, how well is the transmission going to hold up in 3-400,000 miles? They should have kept them hooked together thru out the test.

 

[quail hound]

Honestly a "torture test" set up by the factory doesn't really impress me. I maintain the opinion that running regular octane fuel in a motor with that much boost is not going to bode well for its longevity.

 

[quail hound]

I expect these problems are associated with "knock" (detonation) and these cases will continue to rise as the motors get a little wear on them.

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2161123

 

[MTtailchaser]

I might be in the minority here, but who buys a truck for it's gas mileage? Trucks are made for working, hunting and going places cars can't go. Getting good gas mileage is just a bonus. The mpg a truck can get shouldn't be a deciding factor in a purchase. What it's capable of doing should rank higher on the priority list in my opnion.

 

[quail hound]

I might be in the minority here, but who buys a truck for it's gas mileage? Trucks are made for working, hunting and going places cars can't go. Getting good gas mileage is just a bonus. The mpg a truck can get shouldn't be a deciding factor in a purchase. What it's capable of doing should rank higher on the priority list in my opnion.

Very good point. I personally need a short wheel base truck because I spend a lot of time in the mountains on trails and I need to fit 33" tall tires with little or no lift (personal preference). I don't want any bigger than 17" rims and I will not buy a truck that doesn't have a locking rear diff, not a lsd. One thing that puts me off from toyota tacomas is that the rear locker can only be engaged in 4lo without modification to the wiring.

 

[calamari]

I might be in the minority here, but who buys a truck for it's gas mileage? Trucks are made for working, hunting and going places cars can't go. Getting good gas mileage is just a bonus. The mpg a truck can get shouldn't be a deciding factor in a purchase. What it's capable of doing should rank higher on the priority list in my opnion.

Let me tell you a story:
I hunted Nevada a lot in the past for Chukars. When my friend and I first started, we got all the 100,000 scale maps we needed and took off to learn the place. We left Winnemucca heading out into the back country with the expectation of buying fuel at a place called Jungo on the map that also had a directional sign and distance on the highway.
We hunted around and got close to a half tank so went to Jungo for more fuel. We found a road intersection with a rusty fender flapping in the wind and no fuel.
OK, lets go to the only town there is that we know is 150 miles further to the west. We'll just have to cross this one high point in the snow. Shoved snow as high as my hood but couldn't get through the last two miles to a lower elevation and good road to gas. Turned around and on fumes got to a town in Oregon.
I don't carry fuel cans and absolutely hate having to stop for gas so mileage gives me a lot of flexibility on where I can go and where I can save a few bucks buying gas. It's not the primary criteria. Longevity and trouble free operation are #1 and #2 with me. Mileage in a hunting truck for me is #3.

 

[thornton]

It's nice to have enough truck as it's nice to have enough gun...mostly, we all do, of both.
But he who has the highest bumper wins discussions can be entertaining.

 

[birdshooter]

Honestly a "torture test" set up by the factory doesn't really impress me. I maintain the opinion that running regular octane fuel in a motor with that much boost is not going to bode well for its longevity.

How much boost would that be?

You must know something that the Ford engineers don't....

At my last fill up I filled with Premium. Can't tell a lick of a difference in the way the truck sounds or runs vs regular unleaded..

 

[birdshooter]

I might be in the minority here, but who buys a truck for it's gas mileage?

You'd be surprised. When decent gas mileage is just the added benefit to an already solid truck, why wouldn't you buy it? Why wouldn't you want decent gas mileage?

Most of the newer trucks are all getting mileage within a couple mpg of each other with similar power ratings, so your statement doesn't make much sense. The exception would be the big block V-8's typically used on farm or work trucks. But those are dinosaurs, and not practical for daily drivers.

Trucks are made for working, hunting and going places cars can't go. Getting good gas mileage is just a bonus. The mpg a truck can get shouldn't be a deciding factor in a purchase. What it's capable of doing should rank higher on the priority list in my opnion.

Yep, but hunting is only but a few months of the year, the rest of the year we use them as our daily drivers, so you might as well have one that gets decent mileage and have your cake and eat it too. As far as I'm concerned, the Ford Ecoboost is MORE than capable of doing anything I'll ever ask it to do.

 

[quail hound]

How much boost would that be?

You must know something that the Ford engineers don't....

At my last fill up I filled with Premium. Can't tell a lick of a difference in the way the truck sounds or runs vs regular unleaded..

I can't find anything on how much boost these trucks are being fed but with twins I would assume its over 10psi. The truck also has a 10.0 to 1 compression ratio which is on the high side for a turbo motor. I guess time will tell but from all the time I've spent around hi performance cars this just isn't a recipe for longevity. It takes a lot of computer gremlins to keep a motor like that safe. You want notice a difference from one tank of gas, these new vehicles slowly program themselves to the fuel they're regularly fed and how they are regularly driven. You honestly don't believe ford ran regular grade fuel in that motor for that test do you? I'm glad you like your truck, don't let my opinion bother you. I regularly keep my trucks for the 2-300k miles that Ls motors are proven to go beyond.:cheers:

 

[quail hound]

Best I can tell these trucks are pushing right at 15psi at WOT below 5k revs. That's a lot for a 10.0/1 cr motor. I hope I'm wrong.

Think about it this way Birdshooter. A corvette zr1, 636hp 6.2l, is making less horsepower per liter and running 9.1/1 cr at only 10.5psi and is touted as a super car not a dd pickup truck.

 

[onpoint]

Best I can tell these trucks are pushing right at 15psi at WOT below 5k revs. That's a lot for a 10.0/1 cr motor. I hope I'm wrong.

Think about it this way Birdshooter. A corvette zr1, 636hp 6.2l, is making less horsepower per liter and running 9.1/1 cr at only 10.5psi and is touted as a super car not a dd pickup truck.

It seems to have plenty of problem's..including a law suit against Ford for this motor.

Just pick one of the links. It's also a nearly $2400 option for this motor. That makes the $2800 option of the Dodge Ram Eco diesel a lot more appealing.

http://www.google.com/search?safe=o...j7.7.0....0...1c.1.23.hp..0.8.970.Ekv6SWV8_Hw

 

[birdshooter]

Best I can tell these trucks are pushing right at 15psi at WOT below 5k revs. That's a lot for a 10.0/1 cr motor. I hope I'm wrong.

Think about it this way Birdshooter. A corvette zr1, 636hp 6.2l, is making less horsepower per liter and running 9.1/1 cr at only 10.5psi and is touted as a super car not a dd pickup truck.

Excerpts:

When running down the 3.5L EcoBoost's spec sheet, some of the most surprising revelations are its 10.0:1 static compression ratio and ability to run on 87-octane fuel.

What makes it all possible is gasoline direct injection

When combined with injectors positioned in the combustion chamber, right below the intake valves, the result is a very fine spray pattern exactly where you need it. "By bringing the fuel injector right into the combustion chamber, the air is cooled right where you're going to burn it," says EcoBoost Design Manager Brett Hinds. "This action both improves the breathing of the engine and minimizes knocking.

To read the whole thing go to the link and scroll down to direct injection: http://www.popularhotrodding.com/tech/0910phr_ford_ecoboost_six_cylinder/viewall.html

 

[birdshooter]

It's also a nearly $2400 option for this motor. That makes the $2800 option of the Dodge Ram Eco diesel a lot more appealing.

Depends on what model and equipment group you get. I have a middle of the road XLT (equipment group 301A) and the Ecoboost option was $1095.

It seems to have plenty of problem's..including a law suit against Ford for this motor.

From one of your links:

The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration announced it is investigating loss-of-power incidents that are the subject of 95 complaints and two lawsuits. Stumbling under hard acceleration or heavy loads can be a safety concern, the agency said, but no injuries have been reported.

Geez.... 95 complaints out of how many Ecoboost F-150's sold in the last few years..... I'd say that is a pretty low defective rate by quality standards. I bet I can dig up loads of issues with other automakers if you want to play that game.

 

[quail hound]

Yes, direct injection is all the rage now. The new gm 5.3 offering is rated at 355hp/ 385lb ft and 22mpg highway in 4wd configuration with direct injection and 11.0/ 1 cr. I'm not sure what I'll do when I decide to get a new truck but my 05 GMC still runs like a top with 212k on the ticker. Do the Fords come with a real locker in the rear?

 

[onpoint]

Depends on what model and equipment group you get. I have a middle of the road XLT (equipment group 301A) and the Ecoboost option was $1095.


From one of your links:



Geez.... 95 complaints out of how many Ecoboost F-150's sold in the last few years..... I'd say that is a pretty low defective rate by quality standards. I bet I can dig up loads of issues with other automakers if you want to play that game.

Take it easy, their just trucks. It's not like I said something about your wife. I'll drive any brand..you brand loyal guys get all up in arms so easy...Your toting this V6 like it's a F350 that will pull the world and gets the gas mileage of a economy car..it's physically impossible or they would just quite making the other engine options. Real trucks have 8 lug nuts on all their rims....LOL

 

[HolyMoses]

Yes, direct injection is all the rage now. The new gm 5.3 offering is rated at 355hp/ 385lb ft and 22mpg highway in 4wd configuration with direct injection and 11.0/ 1 cr. I'm not sure what I'll do when I decide to get a new truck but my 05 GMC still runs like a top with 212k on the ticker. Do the Fords come with a real locker in the rear?

Pretty sure they still put them on the fx4s and higher trim packages.

 

[birdshooter]

Yep, starting with FX4 and higher packages, Ecoboost is standard I believe.

Onpoint I'm cool...

Just when I hear someone say "glorified grocery hauler" when describing the Ecoboost F-150, I can't help myself. Besides when your long retired father worked for Ford for 38 years and you can still get new ones for less than dealer cost, you BECOME brand loyal.

For those who have NOT driven an Ecoboost F-150, take one for a drive and see for yourself. Coming from a 5.4 myself, it' quite an improvement IMO.