Your breed of dog and why

Jetjockey,

It's not worth gettin into the ruff on this one! The hunters that do have well trained pointers and trial dogs know, that CRP needs to be plowed under. Not sure if it's really worth it.

I believe every breed has a purpose and yes some do certain jobs in the field better than others. However, to basically make a statment (his next post) that pointers are not suited to hunt pheasants just shows you the mentality your dealing with.
 
jetjockey said:
I love comments like this. I don't want this to start a peeing match, but A "show" dog doesn't have to have any hunt in them at all. However, "dual" dogs have to win both Show and Field Trials. As far as Field Trial dogs not being able to hunt wild birds, from what Ive seen that is one of the biggest misunderstandings there is in the dog world. Most guys who make these statements don't realize that many, if not most of the FT dogs (at least the good ones) spend summers at camp in the Dakota's hunting wild birds. There is a misconception that because most trials are run on released birds, they don't know how to handle wild birds. This is so far from the truth its almost laughable. My Field Trial pointing dog has probably pinned more wild birds by the age of three, then most dogs will in a lifetime. A big running pointing dog that doesn't have a lot of wild bird experience is a nightmare. But a big running pointing dog who has been run on lots of wild birds is a thing of beauty. And Id gladly run my pointing dog against any pointing lab in the field. From what Ive seen, the pointing labs have a hard time keeping up.
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I respect everyones opinions on this and to each his own. But, we know that pointing dogs can pass a FT without throwing a point and there have been instances where dogs have been crowned NFC without throwing a point. With that said, them are the rules of the governing bodies and are judged by humans. If you are running FT's and hunting wild birds as well, you are most likely doing it by yourself or with a buddy that is training for the same thing so you are all on the same page. It takes one guy to screw up, shooting at a wild flush, to set a guy back in his training. What happens when your dog points and you flush the bird and shoot once, then 30 get up !!! You are done shooting after the one flush if you don't want your dog to implode at the next FT. May happen, may not!!! Why take the risk after all the training? If they have summer camps for wild birds in S.D. I will be sending a dog up there!! Any contacts or info? Good Thread!!! I enjoy reading everyone's post's and can tell we are all passionate about our sport!!
 
BleuBijou said:
I respect everyones opinions on this and to each his own. But, we know that pointing dogs can pass a FT without throwing a point and there have been instances where dogs have been crowned NFC without throwing a point. With that said, them are the rules of the governing bodies and are judged by humans. If you are running FT's and hunting wild birds as well, you are most likely doing it by yourself or with a buddy that is training for the same thing so you are all on the same page. It takes one guy to screw up, shooting at a wild flush, to set a guy back in his training. What happens when your dog points and you flush the bird and shoot once, then 30 get up !!! You are done shooting after the one flush if you don't want your dog to implode at the next FT. May happen, may not!!! Why take the risk after all the training? If they have summer camps for wild birds in S.D. I will be sending a dog up there!! Any contacts or info? Good Thread!!! I enjoy reading everyone's post's and can tell we are all passionate about our sport!!
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Not necessarily true. I run my Brittany in NSTRA trials where the dog must remain steady on point until the handler moves/flushes the bird. Not necessary to be steady to wing and shot. I also hunt the same dog with a variety of non-field trial dogs. She has no problem handling both situations. The dogs learn when they are hunting wild birds and when they are at a trial. I shoot wild flushes over her and I also shoot multiple birds/flushes over her. But when we get to a trial she knows what is expected and what to do.
 
I don't do much FT, am mostly a quail, pheasant and PC hunter. But I do run in some FT. Its fun and you get to see how your dog stacks up against some of the best trained dogs around.

I have been training to be steady to wing and shot, as has my hunting partner. If a dog doesn't handle the bird correctly we do not shoot. In the case of late flushing birds, if the dog is still standing, I will likely shoot, unless a lot of time has passed from the point. You get late flushes pretty often when quail hunting.

It is interesting to that people think pointing dogs don't handle pheasants well. They can do it very well. I think it take much more skill for a pointing dog to handle birds like pheasants.

If shooting birds is your primary objective on pheasants, a flushing dog will let you pull the trigger more than a young pointing dog. But once you have an experienced well trained pointing dog, they are tough to beat.

You only get to see this with pointing dogs, and this is what get me fired up.
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SN,

Nice lookin brace of dogs.............agrre & enjoyed
 
Dakotazeb said:
Not necessarily true. I run my Brittany in NSTRA trials where the dog must remain steady on point until the handler moves/flushes the bird. Not necessary to be steady to wing and shot. I also hunt the same dog with a variety of non-field trial dogs. She has no problem handling both situations. The dogs learn when they are hunting wild birds and when they are at a trial. I shoot wild flushes over her and I also shoot multiple birds/flushes over her. But when we get to a trial she knows what is expected and what to do.
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That must be the reason GCB keeps telling me I need to own a Britt!!!!:) I should of taken into account NSTRA . My statement was a little broad and was from AKC experiences!!At least now I know who I can hunt with!!!! LOL!!!
 
Dakotazeb said:
Not necessarily true. I run my Brittany in NSTRA trials where the dog must remain steady on point until the handler moves/flushes the bird. Not necessary to be steady to wing and shot. I also hunt the same dog with a variety of non-field trial dogs. She has no problem handling both situations. The dogs learn when they are hunting wild birds and when they are at a trial. I shoot wild flushes over her and I also shoot multiple birds/flushes over her. But when we get to a trial she knows what is expected and what to do.
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I have a GSP male dog named Marty. The first two years I spent hunting him on Pheasants, he never pointed a single rooster. Now don’t get me wrong. He can point the heck out of birds, but it was always a dadgum Hen. It got to the point that it was extremely frustrating.

One day a few years back in Nebraska, Marty was standing intensely on the edge of some CRP that was adjacent too a freshly cut Milo field. I walked up, eased passed him slowly and was completely “Startled” when two Roosters busted out! One bird headed to my left and the other to my extreme right. I quickly, went for the left bird because it was the easier shot. I unloaded both barrels………. clean miss.

As I turned to look back at my dog still standing solid on point, Marty simply turned his head slowly in my direction and seamed to roll his eye’s in total disgust.

I think that best way I can describe the state of being “steady to wing and shot”. :cheers:
 
A Drahthaar is the dog for me! They range close in heavy cover,and stretch out when the cover gets thin.They point like a GSP.Fetch like a lab.Track like a hound.I hunt just about everything,so I need a dog that is very versatile.
 
vomfisherhaus said:
A Drahthaar is the dog for me! They range close in heavy cover,and stretch out when the cover gets thin.They point like a GSP.Fetch like a lab.Track like a hound.I hunt just about everything,so I need a dog that is very versatile.
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I sure like my Drahthaar. There are times I tell him to do something that he has not been trained in and he does it. Sometimes I think he reads my mind, but it is a short story.
 
I am picking out a new Llewellin pup in about a week. That will give me a really nice brace of dogs to sweep the field with.

Looking at the breeding this pup will end up with bigger wheels than anything I have had in the past. I should have everything covered from 50 - 200 yards :D

I have found that Male setters are pretty slow to mature, so I will have some work to do by the 2013 season, as he will be pretty young to do much hunting with till the end of the season this year.

We all get bit by our selected breed or breeds. There are lots of good dogs in each breed, you just have to decide what you like and go for it :cheers:
 
BleuBijou said:
I respect everyones opinions on this and to each his own. But, we know that pointing dogs can pass a FT without throwing a point and there have been instances where dogs have been crowned NFC without throwing a point.
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Not to get too off point. But in the AKC/AF world a dog has to have bird work to win a FT (with the exception of puppy trials). Now, I have heard of a trial where a dog won on a stop to flush, but that was the only bird work in the entire trial, and he was the only dog that placed. And that is not common. Otherwise, a dog has to point a bird and keep its manners throughout the entire flush to win a trial. Heck, my pup got picked up in a 1hr championship trial because she turned to mark the bird after the shot, and took 1 small step. Game over!

As far as the comment about only getting one shot if you get multiple flushes, I don't agree with that either. Dogs are smarter then we are when it comes to birds, they have a pretty good idea how many birds are there when they are pointing. There is no reason IMO not to shoot several times when you get multiple flushes. I do it all the time over my dog, and shes never unraveled at a trial because of it. Actually, I think its great training and makes a dog more steady if its used correctly. If my dog breaks on the second shot, she gets zapped and put right back to where she was originally standing. She knows she don't move until I release her. Doesn't matter is Im on foot hunting or the trainer is on a horse in a trial.
 
CRP should be "plowed under"? OKIEGUNNER, is this the best you can come up with? Dakotazeb wanted to tone down the rhetoric, but you just can't let it go. You remind me of the guys on some of the TV shows I don't watch anymore.

I'll tell you what, I'll keep filling my freezer with wild birds every fall using my lab, and you can use whatever dog you like.
 
making a blanket statement about anything amounts to ignorance. I grew up with a dad that trained and hunted english pointers, and some of them were tough as hell. He would not have a dog that would not retrieve, and his were fantastic at it. I switched to labs about 15 years ago, as the quail declined, and they fit my needs very well. I have one now that has a great nose, and is a 30 yard out bird finding machine. The point is we all love our dogs. Hell i hunted with a guy and his cocker spaniel, and he was very servicable. Talk about cockle burrs. The point of this thread was to tell us why you liked your breed, not why you don't like another.
 
Blue to improve your education of pointing dogs, they do not "throw" anything. When they produce and hold a point on a bird. The proper term is "ON POINT". It is just the stiffening/freezing of the muscles produced by the outstanding breeding in the genes. I would also suggest you tone down/stop your bashing of pointing dogs. It is not accepted very well.....Bob
 
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CRP said:
CRP should be "plowed under"? OKIEGUNNER, is this the best you can come up with? Dakotazeb wanted to tone down the rhetoric, but you just can't let it go. You remind me of the guys on some of the TV shows I don't watch anymore.

I'll tell you what, I'll keep filling my freezer with wild birds every fall using my lab, and you can use whatever dog you like.
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it wasn't quite fair- but you should realize- some of us have dogs that are from FC and show lines
I have a Britt from FC, AF, DC lines- you don't think much of DC's
you said the pointers had to be put up, because- the PL was so much much better
now I'm not sure- I have 3 Britt's under 4 years old
and I just finished the first breeding of my male to a supposedly top 2 year old female Britt who I might keep a pup instead of stud fee- and this young female was never trained-
it's a Tequila's Joker Shambo's Dark Shadow breeding

you realy think you have a PL that can run in the same field

I would say I'd like to see your PL overrun, out find, out hold, pheasants- over a Britt

and- since mine can't can't even be considered in the same thought as your PL- you won't mind if mine is faster and more dirrect and brings the bird back

I side with Dakotazeb- you shouldn't be opionated

you have not had your PL in a field with a Top Brittany

if you'd care to find out- I'll side with Dakotazeb- you don't have anything that can run with what we have
 
SetterNut said:
I don't do much FT, am mostly a quail, pheasant and PC hunter. But I do run in some FT. Its fun and you get to see how your dog stacks up against some of the best trained dogs around.

I have been training to be steady to wing and shot, as has my hunting partner. If a dog doesn't handle the bird correctly we do not shoot. In the case of late flushing birds, if the dog is still standing, I will likely shoot, unless a lot of time has passed from the point. You get late flushes pretty often when quail hunting.

It is interesting to that people think pointing dogs don't handle pheasants well. They can do it very well. I think it take much more skill for a pointing dog to handle birds like pheasants.

If shooting birds is your primary objective on pheasants, a flushing dog will let you pull the trigger more than a young pointing dog. But once you have an experienced well trained pointing dog, they are tough to beat.

You only get to see this with pointing dogs, and this is what get me fired up.
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wow- awseome- perhaps I can slip in a Britt this year when I catch up with you two crazies this fall- very nice- noticed you weren't running up to the dog- picture like this stays with a bird dog fella forever- hope you have an enlargement-
 
i will agree with shadow and zeb brittanies are hands down good sure i had a lab sure she out hunted my britt on retrieves but only becouse my britt let her do the retrieving you cANT KNOCK A CERTAIN TYPE OF DOG JUST BECOUSE OF HEAR SAY nive seen shadows dogs run and run and run but in his country thats what they have to do most of the time
 
Shadow as you know, if the dog is doing its job you have some time to get there. I like to stop and take a picture lots of times while the dogs are on point. I think the dogs get tired of me taking pictures :)
 
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SetterNut- exactly- the dog is locked up- you creep and stay low to the ground with the camera focused- hoping- then- IT HAPPENS yikes
nice to have someone who likes to get a good picture who is behind you
sometimes I think mine really lock up and hold simply because they know I have the camera- I fool them alot- sometimes I even make it look like I'm taking their picture- putting the camera away- then have the gun in hand- how smart are these dogs anyway

GCB- that's not fair- couple quail got loose- I said grab the fish net- you are quick
Shadow went "hey that's our pets" locked up- then ran in and grabbed on my comand- but criminy- he brought the live quail to you- that could cost me you know

young male pup just wanted to get out there away to find a bird of his own- he's still doing that- but heck- he's starting to swing back in and check with me- could become a fine bird dog
 
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ahh hell jim its good they were doing what they were supossed to it all depends on what you want them to do they looked real good good looking pups
 
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