What Bothers Me Most.....

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To say that this year is going to be a tough one is putting in mildly. I, like probably most of you here, put a lot of work and care into my dogs. In my case, it was my decision to bring them into this world.

As I sit and watch the weather worsen I think about my dogs and the coming season. I (Lord willing), have plenty of seasons left. Our dogs, on the other hand, don't. I really don't know what the average number of seasons a dog gets to hunt is.....but lets call it 10 seasons.

Like many of you, I'm fortunate enough to hunt in several states so my upland season is closer to four months than three. Even so, when I think about the number of days or even hours my dogs "get" to spend on the ground, I realize that a season with few birds is a tragedy for our dogs.

If I average 50 days afield annually that means that my average dog will spend roughly 50 "parts" of a day also.....or 500 "parts" of a day in his lifetime. The more dogs I have, the fewer hours in the day they get put down.

I look at my dogs everyday in their kennels and it's as if they are saying "is today the day"? While they'll do nearly anything to be with us, doing what they were made to do is their first love. To watch them glide over the fields with such grace only to screech to a stop in a cloud of dust when that special scent is found is simply amazing. To watch them in what can be described as a "trance" until the bird comes up is something I never get tired of. In fact, every time I see a dog on point, it's just as stirring as the first time I ever saw it.

When I watch my dogs doing what God made them to do, it lifts my spirits like nothing else. To watch a pup in it's first year, or to watch an old dog in his 10th or 11th year knowing that it may be his last, gives special memory to each and every outing. It really doesn't matter to me whether or not I get to pull the trigger, but those dogs....oh how they love the birds.


So what bothers me most? It's when I feel like the dogs aren't going get what "they" deserve due to low bird numbers. I see them in the kennel patiently counting the days as I write this. For us, we have family, work, church, and other obligations to pass the time. But those poor dogs, they wake up every day wondering, is today the day? It looks like some long drives this year to get them into what they've earned.

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You need to get involved in some trials to extend your season and give the dogs more time in the field. That's one of the main reasons I became involved in NSTRA.
 
To say that this year is going to be a tough one is putting in mildly. I, like probably most of you here, put a lot of work and care into my dogs. In my case, it was my decision to bring them into this world.

As I sit and watch the weather worsen I think about my dogs and the coming season. I (Lord willing), have plenty of seasons left. Our dogs, on the other hand, don't. I really don't know what the average number of seasons a dog gets to hunt is.....but lets call it 10 seasons.

Like many of you, I'm fortunate enough to hunt in several states so my upland season is closer to four months than three. Even so, when I think about the number of days or even hours my dogs "get" to spend on the ground, I realize that a season with few birds is a tragedy for our dogs.

If I average 50 days afield annually that means that my average dog will spend roughly 50 "parts" of a day also.....or 500 "parts" of a day in his lifetime. The more dogs I have, the fewer hours in the day they get put down.

I look at my dogs everyday in their kennels and it's as if they are saying "is today the day"? While they'll do nearly anything to be with us, doing what they were made to do is their first love. To watch them glide over the fields with such grace only to screech to a stop in a cloud of dust when that special scent is found is simply amazing. To watch them in what can be described as a "trance" until the bird comes up is something I never get tired of. In fact, every time I see a dog on point, it's just as stirring as the first time I ever saw it.

When I watch my dogs doing what God made them to do, it lifts my spirits like nothing else. To watch a pup in it's first year, or to watch an old dog in his 10th or 11th year knowing that it may be his last, gives special memory to each and every outing. It really doesn't matter to me whether or not I get to pull the trigger, but those dogs....oh how they love the birds.


So what bothers me most? It's when I feel like the dogs aren't going get what "they" deserve due to low bird numbers. I see them in the kennel patiently counting the days as I write this. For us, we have family, work, church, and other obligations to pass the time. But those poor dogs, they wake up every day wondering, is today the day? It looks like some long drives this year to get them into what they've earned.

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Wow I don't know what to say. You state you can travel..........????? Your dogs seem to be limited only by you. Get out and use them.
 
To say that this year is going to be a tough one is putting in mildly. I, like probably most of you here, put a lot of work and care into my dogs. In my case, it was my decision to bring them into this world.

As I sit and watch the weather worsen I think about my dogs and the coming season. I (Lord willing), have plenty of seasons left. Our dogs, on the other hand, don't. I really don't know what the average number of seasons a dog gets to hunt is.....but lets call it 10 seasons.

Like many of you, I'm fortunate enough to hunt in several states so my upland season is closer to four months than three. Even so, when I think about the number of days or even hours my dogs "get" to spend on the ground, I realize that a season with few birds is a tragedy for our dogs.

If I average 50 days afield annually that means that my average dog will spend roughly 50 "parts" of a day also.....or 500 "parts" of a day in his lifetime. The more dogs I have, the fewer hours in the day they get put down.

I look at my dogs everyday in their kennels and it's as if they are saying "is today the day"? While they'll do nearly anything to be with us, doing what they were made to do is their first love. To watch them glide over the fields with such grace only to screech to a stop in a cloud of dust when that special scent is found is simply amazing. To watch them in what can be described as a "trance" until the bird comes up is something I never get tired of. In fact, every time I see a dog on point, it's just as stirring as the first time I ever saw it.

When I watch my dogs doing what God made them to do, it lifts my spirits like nothing else. To watch a pup in it's first year, or to watch an old dog in his 10th or 11th year knowing that it may be his last, gives special memory to each and every outing. It really doesn't matter to me whether or not I get to pull the trigger, but those dogs....oh how they love the birds.


So what bothers me most? It's when I feel like the dogs aren't going get what "they" deserve due to low bird numbers. I see them in the kennel patiently counting the days as I write this. For us, we have family, work, church, and other obligations to pass the time. But those poor dogs, they wake up every day wondering, is today the day? It looks like some long drives this year to get them into what they've earned.

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Point,
Good post and I get what you're saying. I remember a few years back and the population across Kansas was down. It seemed like the only place I could get my pup into birds was in Southwest Kansas on my father in-laws ground and most of them were hens. But, I still went out there seems like every other weekend just to get him into birds. I too feel bad for the dogs because like you said they live for this. But, if it takes more miles on the truck than that's what we'll do. I have a 11 year old and I'm praying he can make it through this heat. From the looks of the first week of August, I'm afraid we're in for a long month.
 
I thought it was a fine post as well. No matter how many days you get afield, the dogs could sure use more. I won't be replacing #'s in the kennel as the old ones pass. 2 healthy bird dogs at a time and that's it. I don't feel so bad for the GWP b/c he likes going to the creek and lake w/ us, and we like taking him. Taking the others can create some real problems:rolleyes:
 
I've got a question for you guys. Does the DNR out your way have a area that is for training and working your dog? Because the DNR where I live does. I've been in touch with the guy in charge of that particular propety and said if I had a temp. training permit and hunting license I could work my dog to get her better.
 
If this comes out wrong, I totally apologize and I didn't mean anything negative to the poster...

50 DAYS!!! 50!!! It's unfortunate if the bird numbers aren't as good as they could be this year, but geez man you need to realize that the glass is half full here. What a luxury to get out and hunt 50 days in a single bird season! My hats off to you for your commitment to bird hunting, and I assure you that your dogs are happy.

I probably hunted 50 days a season when I was single, then maybe 30 after marriage but before kids. Now it is around 20 (all hunting, not just birds) and I feel lucky to have a family that supports my passion the way they do. That number will hopefully bump up a bit after my kids are old enough to really go hunting with me. Hopefully by then my wife will finally get around to taking hunters safety and we can do this stuff as a family....

As far as the dogs getting short-changed this season due to lack of upland birds, I do feel for you if your dogs are upland-only specialists. I guess I haven't ever really felt like my dogs got the shaft because I use them to hunt everything. Doves, chickens, ducks, geese, quail, pheasants... Between the six types of upland or migratory birds I pursue, it seems like the dogs always get some type of action each season. Besides, they would be (almost) as happy fetching tennis balls or dummys at the lake anyway. But I digress....

I guess what I was trying to say is that I hope you can look at the positive side of your situation. You and your dogs get to spend a lot of days each season doing what you all love to do. And I GUARANTEE they will find more birds this season than the happy mutts that are sleeping on my couch right now. Good luck to you this season! :cheers:
 
I'm with you Toad & no disrespect to the original poster meant, but 50 DAYS??? I've had dogs & bird hunted for the past 30 yrs - but neither dogs or I have ever pulled off 50 days in a single season yet!!! Suppose I could, if I was comfortable livin in a dawg house or I could figure out how to have the time to get money for nothin & chix for free... :p

POINT, ur my hero!!! BE VERY HAPPY dude, 50 days of bird hunting a yr is a pipe-dream for me & many others that will never be... :cheers:

Heck Toad, I'm jealous of you @ 20 days in a yr! ;)
 
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20 isn't that much really. If you figure dove season starts on Sept 1 and canada goose season usually ends in mid February... Heck, that's almost six full months to shoot something with feathers.:D And I didn't even count turkey season!

Twenty divided by six, that's only three days a month average. You can easily keep a happy wife while hunting 20 days a season.:thumbsup: I couldn't pull off a 50 day season right now though... Maybe when the kids get older and I can take them with me. Then my wife might INSIST on a 50 day season.;)
 
KSBrittney, you hit the nail on the head.

No matter how many days you get afield, the dogs could sure use more. I won't be replacing #'s in the kennel as the old ones pass.

I could be out there everyday the season allows and still "hurt" for those poor mutts as they sit in the kennel and wait for "that day". I too am considering not replacing as my dogs age. Currently I have 5, but am thinking about going back down to two.

I used to trial (not much on NSTRA) but no more. In everyday life I'm in a very competitive industry and I've become too competitive in nearly everything I do. Bird hunting is the one thing in my life that has zero competition. There's no pressure, no competition, the perfect day can't be defined, you just know at bed time when you've had one. If you and I hunt together, it's OK if your dog points more birds than mine and it's OK if you shoot all the birds. I just love to be "out there" and I want to see the dogs get into birds. Trialing began to make my 1st love into something, IMO, it shouldn't be.

I work my dogs in some fashion nearly every day, but it's not the same as actually being on the ground working for birds.

For those of you who are thinking "man, this guy it griping about 50 days a year?", I'm not complaining and no offense taken. I count my blessings every time I let the dogs out that I am fortunate enough to have another day on the ground. I am MUCH more fortunate than most. That being said, it's not about how many days "I" get to hunt, it's how many days "they" get to hunt.

All in all, this is just some random thoughts that go though my head when it looks as if the year isn't going to pan out too well without significant travel.

Thanks for all the responses.

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i hunted about 30 days last year. Gave up bowhunting for the year. I know all about time and family and the doghouse. I would go everyday if i could but we all know thats not a possibility. i try to make everyday count even though they dont always play out as planned. I hunt mostly missouri quail and Dakota and a little Kansas pheasant. Missouri quail is tough. Lot of miles with no reward for dogs. All those miles and wouldnt miss it for the world.
 
I think I understand where you are coming from, Point. I'm sure having five dogs changes your perspective about hunting season. I think I would feel a sense of urgency to get into birds if I had that many dogs in my kennel also. Best of luck to you in the upcoming season.
 
Point I can see where you are coming from. I too struggle with this same problem. On a good year (that's a year that uncle Sam doesn't send me across the pond) I hunt everyday possible. It is tough to have bird dogs knowing that they are hardwired for nothing but finding birds and not getting them out enough in your own mind. They are gone all too quick and you don't want to think did I do the best I could on the bird side of the house while they were here. Like many others have said dove season is where I start my season and much like you I work them in some way everyday. I am fortunate in the fact though that I have a friend who is a trainer and I routinely go and run my dogs on birds for the sake of making them happy and keeping them sharp. I wouldn't look at it in terms of numbers but rather the end result, when that day comes can you honestly say you did your very best for them. If you can say yes then I wouldn't hold any ill feelings towards the amount of trips they take. This is just my opinion and I am sure others have theirs but it is really only yours that matters.
 
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i hunted about 30 days last year. Gave up bowhunting for the year. I know all about time and family and the doghouse. I would go everyday if i could but we all know thats not a possibility. i try to make everyday count even though they dont always play out as planned. I hunt mostly missouri quail and Dakota and a little Kansas pheasant. Missouri quail is tough. Lot of miles with no reward for dogs. All those miles and wouldnt miss it for the world.

I totally agree with you mmash. The miles are tough for Missouri quail. I still keep going and keep adding new spots hoping one of them will pan out with even one covey. I am blessed with the taking of two trips out-of state each year and a wife that tolerates my missing Thanksgiving and the post Christmas week.
 
Point, I didn't mean to rag on you or gang up on you. Believe me, I would much rather spend the limited amount of time I have with my dog in bird-laden areas & I will drive the extra miles in a heartbeat to find them over trudging thru empty or sparse fields...

Please Pardon, I was probably expressing a little subconscious jealousy becuz I always have to drive far to get into any kind of birds & I will never be able to do my dog half the field-time justice you do yours. The pooch & I do make the most of what we got together though, w/lots of backyard training & retrieving all those times when we can't be somewhere a jillion miles away in pursuit of wild birds! :thumbsup:

Hope you are pleasantly surprised much closer-to-home than you think! That has turned out to be the case for me many times after very dismal/discouraging bird forecasts... :cheers:
 
I am starting to see more birds in the neighborhood and we should have plenty of ducks which the Puds love. Maybe a trip to Idaho for some quial and chuks. Sometimes the heat does not bother the sharptails and chickens much. We will at least see. I figure my glass is a little more than 1/2 full.

I think there are a good number of old roosters out there too. The hens take the brunt in the winter. My hunt with the Minneapolis fish mongers was excellent last year tho we figured they would be down. Still glad I live in SD.
 
I hear what you are saying and you better believe I understand it! I live in what used to be called the Quail Capitol of the World...GA. I have alwas thought when I was out of a birddog...that I was out of a dog! Since about 1989, I have been fortunate enough to get out to Nebraska once or twice a year and that had to suffice my dog. I have now gotten probably my last dog as I'm 67 yrs old now and figure if I can have a few trips with her it will be good. I think she's already eclipsed all the previous dogs I've had before and some were very good!

A few years back I invited a friend to go with me out there and about a week before leaving he began to whine saying, we didn't need to take my dog. He said,"We'll have to smell that dog all the way out and back and a dog doesn't really help us that much!" I told him that my dog lives all year and behaves herself and puts up with being confined etc., and that I was going for the dog, not for myself! And I told him real quick that HE was the optional part, but the dog was going with me! He was not invited again either.

Sorry I just had to relate that story. Now having said that you ought to feel better hearing my story. I also tore my Achilles tendon in late June of this summer and the Doctor tells me I MIGHT be able to walk a couple of miles by Nov.!!!!! If I can I will head out there somewhere, because it will be good for me to exercise and it will be necessary for my dog! This will be her second season. She and the wife and I came out to Neb and Kansas last year and got her in a few birds, mostly pheasants. We were looking for quail but didn't find any! It was still a memorable trip! Count your blessings though that you have good hunting relatively speaking nearby. I have to make do with released birds! Actually that should be my dog and I have to make do... I was hoping the weather would have been kinder this year out there. Now I'm hoping I can walk! Everything is relative! I do "get it" that you were unhappy for all your dogs' sakes though! I'm a retired veterinarian and if I could do anything to get quail back to what they used to be in GA I'd consideer my life well spent! Bill
 
A few years back I invited a friend to go with me out there and about a week before leaving he began to whine saying, we didn't need to take my dog. He said,"We'll have to smell that dog all the way out and back and a dog doesn't really help us that much!" I told him that my dog lives all year and behaves herself and puts up with being confined etc., and that I was going for the dog, not for myself! And I told him real quick that HE was the optional part, but the dog was going with me! He was not invited again either.
Bill

Two years ago I dropped my wife and kids off at the in-laws on my way hunting in western KS. As I was repacking the truck in their driveway, I folded down the back seat and let the dog jump up in the cab. My mother-in-law says (in a mother-in-law tone), "I can't believe you let that... DOG... ride in the cab of the truck." I replied, "Why not, I let YOU ride in the cab." Then I tossed my duffel bag in the passenger seat and headed West with a smile on my face.:thumbsup: It looked like I was getting bad-mouthed in the rearview mirror, but I was too excited about my trip to care too much...

Anyway, it's all about the dogs, isn't it?:D
 
People make their dogs ride in the back? :confused: :)

Mine are always in the cab, unless someone get's hit by a skunk, then in the dog box they go.

I read this thread with some trepidation, in that, my dogs are more then just dogs to be used for hunting. While they love to hunt, (and we hunted 45 days last season, not including the fall trial season and the spring trial season) they are part of my little family. That's what is most important. We do just about everything together and that just suits us fine.
 
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