Stock Market

Just for the heck of it—-looked up what the market DOW was in August 2015 when this post was originated—and some were in panic mode!
DOW was at—16528
Today even after the Kung-Fu virus dip it’s at 24505–
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Went hunting in 2015 in S.D. For a month with my beloved dog MISTY—hand great time-remember it well-First year full time guiding
Lost her six months ago—don’t remember what I was down in the market—and don’t give a damn—can’t compare money to those times
I’ll be going again with current dogs-regardless of market JMO

David, how are you doing buddy? What have you heard from the place where you guide this spring? Are they seeing much for birds? Were they able to get crops out of the field over winter and spring? I will have three trained dogs this fall and looking to guide when and where I can! Keep me in mind.
 
Well I am not into stock market but I have a very good friend who earns his money from it. As far as I know this virus situation gave him a lot of opportunities to buy stocks of major companies at a really low price and 1 month later he already made some income because they went up in prices. He has a good life I must say, he is now in his Thai home property
 
Charlie. You realize you resurrected a 5 year old thread. Regardless...kinda funny the OP was fretting about a 500 point dump in 2015. That's kinda ho-hum news in 2020.
 
Let's see, I believe it was in Dec 2018 when it took a dip and everyone worried or was it 2017. Whatever, I told my money manager that I was conservative and I looked to spend money on hunting trips so leave me enough. I haven't looked at the bottom line in the last 6 months and won't for another 6 months if than. My only concern right now is if I will be able to drive through Canada to go hunting this fall. It's only money and the dogs and my family are worth more at this stage of my life. Now if I was in my 40's I would be worried more.
 
the market bottomed on 3/23/20 or so, and is up over 40% since then...we're not back to the highs of 2020 but we are positive on the year for most portfolio's...whether it is warranted or not, the market is very much looking forward, and exhibiting signs of a recovering economy...I worry that a resurgence in Covid could knock things back, but the market thinks otherwise...all this taught me, again, is to be diversified and not to panic...a steep drop only creates bargains, and investors will step in to buy...maybe not right away, which did happen this time, but eventually those bargains are too attractive to pass up...in this case it took the Fed to promise to backstop the economy/markets to give investors that confidence...the thing that scared me the most was the behavior of the credit markets...there was some freezing up there, and that always bodes ill for the overall economy/market...that was what the Fed was pinpointing back in March...anyway, for now, all seems pretty well...
 
With the current pandemic the stock market is too liquid. It made me to think about a 401k plan. In the near future I will start a 401k plan. At the moment I read a lot of good information about 401k plan. I found out that I can lose my 401k plan from this blog: https://investotrend.com/can-i-lose-my-401k-if-the-market-crashes/ . So, I won't start it right now, but only when the market will be more normal.
a 401k is merely the "wrapper" that your investments are housed within..could be an IRA, a traditional brokerage account funded with after-tax $, a 403b, a 529 plan, etc; waiting until the market is "normal" usually means you are waiting until it rises further! A 401k is, to me, the single best way to build wealth...everything is on autopilot...we are our own worst enemies in many cases...get set up, put your 10-20% away each paycheck, select a "target date" fund that corresponds with your planned retirement date, and go live your life...you will buy more shares when the market is down, and fewer when it is higher...but over time, you will do fine...market timing is very difficult...time in the market is your greatest ally...even 5% compounded over 20 or 30 or 40 years is a magical thing...the stock market fluctuates, sure, but you want that...do you want your $ in something that is prevented from going higher? the companies that we buy from, like coke, apple, amazon, google, microsoft, proctor and gamble, mcdonalds, etc, are run by very smart people who know how to achieve profit growth year over year...that tends to dictate stock prices...study warren buffet's philosophy...own the american economy, don't bet against it.... :giggle:
 
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With the current pandemic the stock market is too liquid. It made me to think about a 401k plan. In the near future I will start a 401k plan. At the moment I read a lot of good information about 401k plan. I found out that I can lose my 401k plan from this blog: https://investotrend.com/can-i-lose-my-401k-if-the-market-crashes/ . So, I won't start it right now, but only when the market will be more normal.
You just got some very-very sound advice from Benelli—not investing in your 401K-out of current fear-makes no sense at all—jmo
 
When is the market ever normal?
I guess my reply to that is as follows: when there are fairly long periods without extreme volatility....had some of that in 2017-2018, then a pullback in Q4 2018 as the fed was raising rates... then most of 2019, into 2020....we had quite a stretch of good returns and low volatility (downward, that is!). Another way to answer that question is to look at P/E ratios... normal P/E's for the dow/S & P 500 are in the mid-teens....so if they deviate from that level appreciably, you could say the market is abnormal...we're trading at richer p/e levels now, to some degree, argument could be made it's overvalued, but with rates so low, p/e's tend to get stretched...for awhile, anyway!🤣
 
“Normal” periods are usually associated with periods of decent earnings visibility...absent that, like Q1 of this year, all hell breaks loose...volatility and uncertainty go hand in hand...
 
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Benelli-Banger, I agree 100%. just when you think things are "normal" perceptions go crazy and the market adjust. I was referring to the guy who said I will start a 401K when the market is normal. I you are young, the quicker you get in the better. A good advisor like yourself will help people through the ups and downs and give solid advice. I think age has more of a factor thanme trying to time the market. This year is a great example. With covid everything went in the tank, but now my investments are at or almost at where they were at the highs of this year. It would be nice to see a long stretch of steady growth, like maybe the next four years!
 
With the current pandemic the stock market is too liquid. It made me to think about a 401k plan. In the near future I will start a 401k plan. At the moment I read a lot of good information about 401k plan. I found out that I can lose my 401k plan from this blog: https://investotrend.com/can-i-lose-my-401k-if-the-market-crashes/ . So, I won't start it right now, but only when the market will be more normal.
As I previously said you received excellent advice from Benelli and Joel-
Of course there is always some risk—that’s why there is reward for investing-PEOPLE - that think they can time the market are usually are about as dependable as predicting as what number (Duck is going to cr#p on) at a D.U.
dinner.
Or the suffer from what I refer to as—Paralysis buy Analyst—
‘Again JMO
 
a 401k is merely the "wrapper" that your investments are housed within..could be an IRA, a traditional brokerage account funded with after-tax $, a 403b, a 529 plan, etc; waiting until the market is "normal" usually means you are waiting until it rises further! A 401k is, to me, the single best way to build wealth...everything is on autopilot...we are our own worst enemies in many cases...get set up, put your 10-20% away each paycheck, select a "target date" fund that corresponds with your planned retirement date, and go live your life...you will buy more shares when the market is down, and fewer when it is higher...but over time, you will do fine...market timing is very difficult...time in the market is your greatest ally...even 5% compounded over 20 or 30 or 40 years is a magical thing...the stock market fluctuates, sure, but you want that...do you want your $ in something that is prevented from going higher? the companies that we buy from, like coke, apple, amazon, google, microsoft, proctor and gamble, mcdonalds, etc, are run by very smart people who know how to achieve profit growth year over year...that tends to dictate stock prices...study warren buffet's philosophy...own the american economy, don't bet against it.... :giggle:
Excellent advise. Pick a percentage and forget about it. I'm gonna go a little further and say I will NEVER move mine out of the market and into securities, even when I retire. I feel there are more millionaire/billionaires than this world has ever seen....NO WAY they're gonna let those bargains sit there very long. I'm gonna make money til I die.
#notscared
 
good to have 18-36 months of your expenses in cash or cd's when you retire so you can ride things out no matter what...24 months x $4,000 or $6,000 per month (or whatever) may mean around 100-150k in cash or cash equivalents...smart thing, IMO...leave the rest invested...if you are able to stomach that risk...I lean towards a 50/50 mix, which is fairly conservative, but I can sleep at night...
 
Governments have been debasing currency for 1000's of years. All these clowns are doing is running the printing presses which makes asset prices go up. A bag of chips go up a buck or 2 (or decrease the ounce size), homes prices go up, stocks go up, etc. S&P could go to 10K, DOW could go to 100K. Doesn't matter with endless money printing. Who knows what will happen?! Economics make no sense when currency can be printed. Fiat money is what it is. Governments are in the driver's seat and we have to just kind of predict what will happen or gamble. The stock market has become a big casino anyway and the markets are not value driven anyway. Mathmaticians, software develoepers, algo's and servers in New Jersey run the markets anyway. Look at all the frontrunning with these free trading apps like Robinhood. It's a shit show, but I enjoy the lows and highs in life. Why not enjoy the ride while we are here? Buckle up. I enjoy it, but it's not what it was. P/E ratio's, valuations, etc.... doesn't matter anymore. It's different this time.
 
The market is quite bifurcated, a handful of stocks comprise 30% of the S & P. There are sectors that are much cheaper than the S & P as a whole....much of what has just been said is true, but we’ve always had speculative periods. Interest rates at or near zero do buoy stocks. Haven’t looked lately, but energy probably trades at single digit p/e’s...Exxon? BP? Not suggesting them, just guessing that they are cheap, as are certain banks...again, not suggesting them...
 
Mathmaticians, software develoepers, algo's and servers in New Jersey run the markets anyway. Look at all the frontrunning with these free trading apps like Robinhood. It's a shit show, but I enjoy the lows and highs in life. Why not enjoy the ride while we are here? Buckle up. I enjoy it, but it's not what it was. P/E ratio's, valuations, etc.... doesn't matter anymore. It's different this time.
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Exactly what I'm getting at. The market is being run by servers man. Why not take advantage? You can't make any money with it sitting in the bank. I'm going to be in a fund or funds of some type till I die. I've never "lost" money for more than a year. I'm running 16-20% over the last 5 years. I'll take it
 
I looked...energy isn’t as cheap as I thought, as both the P and the E have dropped a bunch!!!!
All I know about stocks is that I know very little about them, and that is dangerous. If I had any sense at all - I wouldn't listen to me! However, if income (dividends) is a driver for you, FWIW- Chevron has been kind to me. But the energy (I mean "carbon management") sector, typically volatile, is likely to be an even bumpier ride than usual for a time - or so I suspect.
 
Chevron has been kind to me.
Same. I got in CVX in Oct along with a few other energy stocks. I've been betting on Uranium as I think the sector is way under-loved. CCJ is my fav play in that sector. Platinum is undervalued in my opinion as well.

I noticed all the "green energy" stocks/ETF's took quite the spike because of Biden being in office. Green energy makes me laugh, as the wind turbine blades are piling up. How is that green? I'm not being political, I'm just asking a question that is not getting any attention in the main stream media - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
 
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