Maybe new trespass laws and waterfowl tags for Non-Res

UGUIDE said:
I don't know why but when I saw the headline on this article I had to chuckle.

"Officials Encourage Hunters to Shoot More Geese" BUT

We can't let non-residents have anymore tags....HA!

Article cites that state spent $700,000 is canada goose depredation issues and over $4.3 million since 2000.

http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/event/article/id/77285/group/Outdoors/

Here's a novel idea. Give out tags to hunters that want to hunt, raise money from license sales, solve over population issues, everybody happy.....except the residents that just don't want non-residents to have anymore tags.
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What always kills me is, land owners who are screaming about damage done by geese or even hogs in the south. Then either won't allow anybody access or they want a $100 a hog or $250 a day per gun. I say, screw them. It's obvious to me that the problem hasn't gotten bad enough yet. If they still want money to eradicate the critters. In many cases, it's they just want money for the damages. They know there's a program there for the taking. Free Money! but no.."I Will Not Let You On My Land"

So, there is no reason to give out more tags if nobody will let you hunt.
 
OP, those land owners that complain about wildlife predation are exactly the same ones who complain about hunters. Always! everywhere!
 
onpoint said:
What always kills me is, land owners who are screaming about damage done by geese or even hogs in the south. Then either won't allow anybody access or they want a $100 a hog or $250 a day per gun. I say, screw them. It's obvious to me that the problem hasn't gotten bad enough yet. If they still want money to eradicate the critters. In many cases, it's they just want money for the damages. They know there's a program there for the taking. Free Money! but no.."I Will Not Let You On My Land"

So, there is no reason to give out more tags if nobody will let you hunt.
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Spot on!

Only bad thing about not controlling the snow goose population is the damage they are doing on their nesting grounds. I once found a winter wheat field that looked like a baseball diamond and was watching the geese and the landowner pulled up. He was complaining about it and when I asked to hunt he said "no". Go fugure.

The entire country will become pay to play on private ground eventually unfortunately. I really hate to see the "old" days slip away but the almighty dollar trumps over everything. Everyone is making a buck off of anything they can. South Dakota and Texas has led the way in the pay to play concept in the plains states.
 
I don't think you would have much trouble finding a place to hunt snow geese in South Dakota in the spring.
 
Trespassing is indeed a big deal.

Some friends and I saved for years and eventually bought a couple of quarters of land east of Winner. I live in Rapid City, which is a three-hour drive from Winner. Twice in the past two years I've loaded up my dogs and a friend or two, made the long drive, arrived at our land to find fresh tire tracks and piles of feathers, with our ground having been hunted out the day before by folks who decided to ignore the dozen or so signs we'd posted, telling them that they were hunting on private property.

Very frustrating. There's no justification for it, and it's no different than someone entering your home and taking what isn't theirs. I wouldn't mind seeing a little more tooth in the laws dealing with it.
 
ckirsch said:
Trespassing is indeed a big deal.

Some friends and I saved for years and eventually bought a couple of quarters of land east of Winner. I live in Rapid City, which is a three-hour drive from Winner. Twice in the past two years I've loaded up my dogs and a friend or two, made the long drive, arrived at our land to find fresh tire tracks and piles of feathers, with our ground having been hunted out the day before by folks who decided to ignore the dozen or so signs we'd posted, telling them that they were hunting on private property.

Very frustrating. There's no justification for it, and it's no different than someone entering your home and taking what isn't theirs. I wouldn't mind seeing a little more tooth in the laws dealing with it.
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Bet the trespassers are local guys that know You are absentee.
 
I own some ground 5 hours west of where I live in Finney County Kansas. I had some locals that knew I didn't live around there and were hunting my ground a lot. What they didn't know was I let the local deputy sheriff who lives just down the road hunt deer and ride horses in exchange for watching my farm for me. He caught them hunting and gave me a call. I told him just to tell them not to come back or next time I would press charges. Funny thing is I ask one of these guys to hunt before I bought this farm and he wouldn't let me. He's lucky I didn't have the deputy write them up.
 
I had some property a few years back that I only visited 6-8 times a year. i know a couple of the neighbors hunted it. I seen the trail from their ATV and found shell casings. I never said a word to them. When I hunted, i hunted their place as well. I never had a problem, they never had a problem. It worked out well. and we never even talked to one another. we didn't ask each other anything. just common curtsey between one another is all it took. We didn't need signs, a lawyer, a surveyor, a judge, the cops, a game warden...NOTHING!! isn't that something?
 
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mnmthunting said:
Bet the trespassers are local guys that know You are absentee.
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Bet this is spot on. Is there anywhere along a fenceline or something that you could put up a small trail camera in an inconspicuous place? Here in Wisconsin, if you hand the sheriff a picture of a trespasser on your land, it's game over and ticket time.
 
onpoint said:
What always kills me is, land owners who are screaming about damage done by geese or even hogs in the south. Then either won't allow anybody access or they want a $100 a hog or $250 a day per gun. I say, screw them. It's obvious to me that the problem hasn't gotten bad enough yet. If they still want money to eradicate the critters. In many cases, it's they just want money for the damages. They know there's a program there for the taking. Free Money! but no.."I Will Not Let You On My Land"

So, there is no reason to give out more tags if nobody will let you hunt.
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I handle claims for the State of SD and have been involved in a few goose depredation cliams. The GF&P will not help farmers who commercial hunt, lease their land or refuse public hunting of the species involved. They do spend a lot of $ every year hence this new hunt. What I do not get is not allowing anything but pass shooting if they want to get rid of them. No decoys allowed on this new hunt. They want to cut the herd 50% or more but will not get it done in this fashion. I put in for the hunt but have not been contacted. Over 1,000 applied.
Geese are more accessable to out of staters to some degree with the Missouri River hunts.
 
Thought about that but worry about losing my camera. We have a local guy farming it now, we allow him to hunt there once in a while, and he will be keeping an eye on it for us in the future. Might speak with GFP about it as well, not sure they're in the business of going after trespassers, but it would be good for them to know what's going on.
 
What I also see, is people doing their part of thinning the goose population and then getting blasted on hunting forums for the slaughter of the geese they are suppose to be culling. Snow goose hunting in my experience is feast or famine!!! Get skunked or shoot 50! Normal hunting tactics do not get the job done. This is why the rules and Regs are different for the Spring snow goose season!! They have an objective they want to reach and understand the need for alternative regs. I like the no pay for damage if you do not allow hunters! Seems to make sense to me!!
 
fsentkilr said:
I own some ground 5 hours west of where I live in Finney County Kansas. I had some locals that knew I didn't live around there and were hunting my ground a lot. What they didn't know was I let the local deputy sheriff who lives just down the road hunt deer and ride horses in exchange for watching my farm for me. He caught them hunting and gave me a call. I told him just to tell them not to come back or next time I would press charges. Funny thing is I ask one of these guys to hunt before I bought this farm and he wouldn't let me. He's lucky I didn't have the deputy write them up.
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I am not surprised. I had the same experience, unfortunately I had a really nice pond visible from the road, the theory is what's mine is yours, because we are the "new people" ( even if it's been many years), and they have been fishing and hunting there for years, however what's theirs is always exclusively theirs. I let them fish, originally, but when my cattle got out, probably from a broken fence they wallowed down getting to the pond, these same people had them removed by the sheriff to the sale barn rather than call me, and I had to bail them out. Nice neighbors. I became less agreeable after that.
 
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oldandnew said:
I am not surprised. I had the same experience, unfortunately I had a really nice pond visible from the road, the theory is what's mine is yours, because we are the "new people" ( even if it's been many years), and they have been fishing and hunting there for years, however what's theirs is always exclusively theirs. I let them fish, originally, but when my cattle got out, probably from a broken fence they wallowed down getting to the pond, these same people had them removed by the sheriff to the sale barn rather than call me, and I had to bail them out. Nice neighbors. I became less agreeable after that.
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And folks wonder why land access is getting harder and harder:D
 
Hunting should be considered a "national treasure" that is open to all who want to pursue it.

How does this "national treasure" get protected and paid for?

Here's how:

Protected:

1.Agricultural hunting lands should have easements to the public and paid for by providing payments to landowners for this easement.

2. 5-10% of Ag land should be acquired(or permanently leased) by the federal government for habitat creation and preservation. If you own 640 acres then 64 acres is "set aside" and purchased(or permanently leased) for habitat. It's called eminent domain - the taking of private land for a public purpose. A damn good one too. That's how we created the Federal Highway System - condemned the property, took it and built the freeways. Now they are a great National Asset and open to the public. It's as American as apple pie.

How paid for:

BRING OUR MONEY HOME! Stop spending money on foreign CRAP! Let the rest of the world figure it out ON THEIR OWN. God knows we had to - Bloody wars for independence, terrible civil war. STAY THE HELL OUT OF OTHER COUNTRIES POLITICS AND BLOODSHED! We're depriving them of a priceless learning experience. Become more like Switzerland - they take care of THEIR country and RIGHTFULLY turn their backs on OTHER COUTRIES problems. No one came to our "rescue" when brothers were killing brothers in our civil war - damn good thing too. Free Trade? - I'm all for it. We should buy anything we need from any country that wants to sell to us, and vice versa. Don't care about their internal problems - they will eventually figure it out - ON THEIR OWN!

Ok - that's how you provide for a NATIONAL HABITAT/HUNTING TREASURE.

I'm against the trend that is highly restricting our access to hunting and the property to enjoy it - its become like a carnival attraction with big gates and fences around it - the poor kids either have to drive by and wish or sneak in.

I'm for changing the image of what hunting is to the level of NATIONAL TREASURE, and curtailing its image as private enterprise for profit.

HABITAT and HUNTING for all - That's AMERICA!
 
Very well put..........I do believe that unless we take an aggressive approach it will get pushed to the back burner forever......Show me where to sign.....
 
RK, That's the great thing about America. If you believe in something or want change. You can support a idea and find those that support that same idea or plan and push for change. All it takes is the popular vote. Majority rules.

Someday the go it alone types will figure this out. Organized people carry power for change. Maybe that's why so many fight organizing of people. In Ireland they have trails that cross the whole country, crossing farms and other private property. People open and close livestock gates along their way. The people of the small towns welcome the Trekkie's, bed and breakfasts, small pubs, great places to eat and greet the hikers along their path. Instead of hating the passer byes the farmers wave and even enjoy many greet and meets of strangers.
 
RK Special K said:
Hunting should be considered a "national treasure" that is open to all who want to pursue it.

How does this "national treasure" get protected and paid for?

Here's how:

Protected:

1.Agricultural hunting lands should have easements to the public and paid for by providing payments to landowners for this easement.

2. 5-10% of Ag land should be acquired(or permanently leased) by the federal government for habitat creation and preservation. If you own 640 acres then 64 acres is "set aside" and purchased(or permanently leased) for habitat. It's called eminent domain - the taking of private land for a public purpose. A damn good one too. That's how we created the Federal Highway System - condemned the property, took it and built the freeways. Now they are a great National Asset and open to the public. It's as American as apple pie.

How paid for:

BRING OUR MONEY HOME! Stop spending money on foreign CRAP! Let the rest of the world figure it out ON THEIR OWN. God knows we had to - Bloody wars for independence, terrible civil war. STAY THE HELL OUT OF OTHER COUNTRIES POLITICS AND BLOODSHED! We're depriving them of a priceless learning experience. Become more like Switzerland - they take care of THEIR country and RIGHTFULLY turn their backs on OTHER COUTRIES problems. No one came to our "rescue" when brothers were killing brothers in our civil war - damn good thing too. Free Trade? - I'm all for it. We should buy anything we need from any country that wants to sell to us, and vice versa. Don't care about their internal problems - they will eventually figure it out - ON THEIR OWN!

Ok - that's how you provide for a NATIONAL HABITAT/HUNTING TREASURE.

I'm against the trend that is highly restricting our access to hunting and the property to enjoy it - its become like a carnival attraction with big gates and fences around it - the poor kids either have to drive by and wish or sneak in.

I'm for changing the image of what hunting is to the level of NATIONAL TREASURE, and curtailing its image as private enterprise for profit.

HABITAT and HUNTING for all - That's AMERICA!
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South Dakota has already done that. We pay taxes to the middle of the road. State law says you can hunt 33 ft from the center of the road, but we all know that if you see a pheasant flying towards some private land that the range of the shotgun also comes into play. So you have 40 yards plus 33 ft. on 4 sides of a section that will easily cover the 64 acres of private property that you feel is owed to you for some reason. No federal money spent just the landowner being forced to volutarily let you hunt. I know things are slow now so you want to stimulate a discussion, but it is already done. Somehow I suspect that it won't be good enough. In addition to all that free land the state has alot of public areas. So in South Dakota we have way overdone what you are asking for. You are so busy worrying about having everybody take care of you that you can't see that they already have. I assume that you should be entitled to play 1.8 holes at the local golf course for free too.
 
Hmmmmmmm, wasn't all that land "Free" at one time?

Were homesteaders nothing more then free loaders looking for entitlements?

Personally, I believe the Homestead act was a great thing but just lacked proper ruling. Like nobody can own more then a section of land, maybe 160 acres would have been even better. Problem would have been solved. That would have prevented land hoarding and kept the American dream of everybody having a chance to own their own piece of the American dream. Anymore, that dream is far out of the reach of the average income American. Fact is, very few pieces of property less then a 160 acres can be found. Leaving land ownership to only the highest of incomes. Ya, the system is broken. The great intention of our founding fathers of every American owning land is long gone. I don't think they would approve of how their intentions have run off the rails.
 
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