Friends of Friends

[Mr Hyde]

That would be Grain Belt Beer or Buckhorn beer, if you can find some.

Found some Grain Belt Beer but as far as BuckHorn I was told by a friend they don't make it any more damn those goes my trip to SD.

All kidding aside "Just Say No" approach I believe in, your friends should understand the situation that you are in and if they don't and start acting like bunch of 2yr olds, then they are not your friends. Of course you probably heard this already but I believe good friends respect your wishes and respect your land. Thats probably why I don't have any friends .

 

[Dakotazeb]

Buckhorn! Now that's showing one's age. Actually I thought Buckhorn was made my Hamm's but in doing some research I see it was actually brewed by Lone Star. Both Hamm's and Lone Star were bought by Olympia Brewing Company in the 1970's.

Grain Belt is still available and had quite a history. The label has been sold several times and is now brewed by the August Schell Brewing Company in New Ulm, MN. When I was in college at the U of Minn. in the mid 60's we made many a tour of both the Hamm's and Grain Belt breweries. After the tour they would let you sit and drink free beer all afternoon. Heck of a deal for a college guy even if it was 3.2 beer.

Wonder is anyone still makes 3.2 beer?? I better shut up my age is really starting to show.

 

[landman]

I'm just trying to say that when a person gets an invitation from a landowner, or person who has exclusive permission on land, try to make it as enjoyable as possible for the host if you want a return invitation. Offer to drive, bring snacks and drinks, and compliment the host on the habitat and hunting success. At the end of the day thank him for a nice hunt, let him know that you enjoyed his company and compliment the hunt. Do this even if the hunt wasn't all that great for that day.

The problem with asking if someone else can come along is that it is a pleasant experience to be able to invite a friend on a pheasant hunt but its a negative experience to have to either turn down the request for additional hunters or to allow them to come along. Sometimes those uninvited quests don't always appreciate the invitation as much or aren't very safe hunters and so it becomes even more negative for the host. The result is that the host can become somewhat relunctant to make a repeat invitation. I'm sure you all would be exactly like me in this regard and you hunt with those individuals whom you have the most enjoyable time hunting with. If you want to hunt with the host again you have to get yourself towards the top of his list. Money can help overcome a lot of shortcomings with the host but if you aren't willing to pay him than charm is about all you've got to work with.

LM

 

[landman]

Here are a few things to not do. (based upon experience)

Don't:

1. Shoot the host
2. Pop open a beer-half way through the hunt
3. Shoot birds on the ground
4. Light a cigarette while standing in a middle of a CRP field
5. Ask to quit and go home at midday
6. Complain about sandburs
7. Complain about food plots or poor habitat
8. Shoot all the birds
9. Shoot at every bird that gets up with-in or out-of-range
10. Hunt and walk with safety off
11. Brag about your Preserve hunting experiences
12. Cause an overlimit by shooting an extra bird or two at the end of the hunt
13. Wonder away to hunt solo from the main group when hunting together
14. Arrive late
15. Drive vehicles on property
16. Show up intoxicated
17. Fail to appreciate the hosts work towards creating habitat
18. Shoot at rabbits, cats, racoons, coyotes etc without clearing that with the host first.
19. Stray from his property unto the neighbors.


That's a few things that come to mind. I'd like to hear a few more from you.

LM

 

[moellermd]

I agree with the "just say no" approach. All it will take is one time for your friends to get the hint.

I am extremely cautious about asking to bring a friend when invited to hunt on someone's land. It's getting more difficult each year to get on private land and if given the opportunity I don't want to screw it up.

Years ago I had permission to hunt some good land SW of Aberdeen pretty much when ever I wanted. One Sunday I took a guy I knew along to hunt with me. Unknown to me, the guy goes back out there with his friends and courts the landowner. They even start paying him to hunt. A few years later I couldn't get on the land anymore and the guy I took out one time and his buddies are hunting it frequently. A lesson learned.

Nothing is worse than taking a guy on land you got permission to hunt and then have him bring a bunch of his buddys out to hunt it all the time. Some guys think that if they when hunting on land that you have permission to hunt on they also have permission to hunt it when ever they want.

 

[Bilbo Baggins]

I wonder if a case of Shiner direct from Texas would butter up the host.

 

[Mr Hyde]

I wonder if a case of Shiner direct from Texas would butter up the host.

If that don't work maybe some fat tire out of Col. , leinenkugels from Wis. or maybe we can get Bobeyerite to pick some Mt. Rainer beer.:cheers:

 

[kiotehntr]

I'm just trying to say that when a person gets an invitation from a landowner, or person who has exclusive permission on land, try to make it as enjoyable as possible for the host if you want a return invitation. Offer to drive, bring snacks and drinks, and compliment the host on the habitat and hunting success. At the end of the day thank him for a nice hunt, let him know that you enjoyed his company and compliment the hunt. Do this even if the hunt wasn't all that great for that day.

The problem with asking if someone else can come along is that it is a pleasant experience to be able to invite a friend on a pheasant hunt but its a negative experience to have to either turn down the request for additional hunters or to allow them to come along. Sometimes those uninvited quests don't always appreciate the invitation as much or aren't very safe hunters and so it becomes even more negative for the host. The result is that the host can become somewhat relunctant to make a repeat invitation. I'm sure you all would be exactly like me in this regard and you hunt with those individuals whom you have the most enjoyable time hunting with. If you want to hunt with the host again you have to get yourself towards the top of his list. Money can help overcome a lot of shortcomings with the host but if you aren't willing to pay him than charm is about all you've got to work with.

LM

I realize that we're coming at this from 2 different angles Landman. I'm the guy that gets permission to hunt and you are the guy that has the land and grants premission to people. I'm just lucky that the guy that grants me exclusive written permission is a very close friend of my dads. He doesn't even bat an eye when I show up to get permission each year. He has told me numerous times that I can hunt his land without his knowledge but I still get the slip out of respect to him. I have tried to offer him birds, money or helping him around the farm and he just laughs and tells me to kill as many as I can. He doesn't have a problem if I bring any of my friends because he knows and trusts my judgement. He knows that if I'm hunting he knows that the guys I'm hunting with are going to be safe. I'm actually very lucky that I have the opportunity that I have. The farmer knows that I treat his land with respect and he knows that everyone in my group will do the same.

 

[Uncle Buck]

i didn't mean it that way. It's the friends-of-friends that would need to suck-up or pay money in order to get invited back. My own friends can get invited back just because they are a friend. By the way, i'd be more than honored to have you as a guest some time. I'd enjoy that a lot.

Hope that clears things up. I did not write that post too well so i deleted it.

Lm

gotcha---thanks uncle buck
________
Strain index

 

[BritChaser]

I'm with You

One of the most interesting parts of being a landowner and having land to hunt is the Friends-of-Friends Phenomonen. Each year I like to invite my usual friends to hunt with me but also I like to ask a few other friends that haven't hunted with me before. It seems that my usual buddies rarely, if ever, ask if they can bring along a buddy of theirs. I guess that is why they are my usual hunting buddies. However if I ask someone new if they would like to hunt with me for a day or a weekend I always brace for the inevitable "may I bring along so and so"? or "so and so's". It is hard to say no in those situations so invariable they bring along their "so and so's and we hunt pheasants for the last time. About the only way a friend-of-a-friend can get a repeat invitation is if they suck-up bigtime by complimenting my habitat, denounce road hunting, obeying all the hunting rules, be republican, be Lutheran, not a member of the NRA, be a so-so shot, practice safe hunting, have an obedient dog and have redneck tendencies. Oh, also not wear earrings or other body piercings- no mohawks either. Only then can they have a chance, abeit small, for the inner circle. My regular friends or those I invite personally don't have to meet these standards (except for the redneck tendencies) - just the friends-of-friends, most of whom I don't care to meet anyway.

LM

I agree with your sentiments and appreciate your tongue-in-cheek humor. Well said. Once in while the friend of the friend meets all your criteria for a hunting companion. Other times . . . not.

 

[BritChaser]

Beer Diplomacy

If that don't work maybe some fat tire out of Col. , leinenkugels from Wis. or maybe we can get Bobeyerite to pick some Mt. Rainer beer.:cheers:

Beer diplomacy is always worth a try. Great ideas.

 

[Graybird66]

I'm sorry, but did someone say that they knew someone, who knows someone, who met a land owner, who is giving everyone permission to hunt?? :laugh::laugh:

 

[FCSpringer]

Yea I understand completely, I have all but forgotten the groups of people to worry about and just stick to a couple buds and have way more fun and noooooo stress, I have lost land to hunt because of these " I;m just gona go ahead and" attitudes. One guy uses these words on a daily basis! "I'm just gona go ahead and". Well the rest that comes out is just crap!. Well take a breath LM and just do what keeps you sane. But If you want some nice dogs, a Lutheren, no piercings, no extra people, Redneck, or any other bull I think we need to hunt togeather some time. Heck I don't even care if we get more than a couple birds, just getting away some time is nice. Maybe you can come up this way for spring RAPALA waleye fishing some time, It can be a fish a cast some years from shore, what a blast. Anyway have a fun fall this year will ya. FCS
PS The pheasant hunting is not too bad either.

 

[Lazlo]

responses are not few!

Cannot believe the responses that you have Landman. You have hit a nerve I guess.
All I own is a house to rent and 3 weeks ago I rented it to some custom farmers and low and behold all my food has been eaten and all my booze has been drank. Maybe them or someone broke into the house but the empty bottles are still on the shelf.
Go ahead shoot all the birds.....but leave my food and booze alone!
we all get lessons without books.
Oh yea I have Vizsla's I don't hunt with others that don't have pointers...:cheers:

Lazlo

 

[GoBadgers]

If you buy beer at anything other than a liquour store in Kansas, it is 3.2 beer.

 

[UGUIDE]

Cannot believe the responses that you have Landman. You have hit a nerve I guess......we all get lessons without books.

Lazlo

2 comments: Land Access and 80/20 rule. Land Access is the hot nerve topic here (again) and 20% (of people) will ruin it for the 80%.

Policy needs to be aimed at the 20% much to the chagrin of the 80% who don't understand why the policy is needed because what the 20% does, does not make any sense to them.

I just had to implement policy on my land in WI on a 20% 'r. He is guest of neighbor and gets to deer hunt on neighbors land. He took opportuntity to 4-wheeler all over my property because of new trail put in that gives me access across neighbors land and then goes onto mine. Given and inch a mile will be taken. Note that the landowner usually is not pleased to have to implement policy but given the alternatives usually has no better option.

 

[landman]

I agree with your sentiments and appreciate your tongue-in-cheek humor. Well said. Once in while the friend of the friend meets all your criteria for a hunting companion. Other times . . . not.

Yes, it was mean't to be a humerous satire about a very real issue. I've hosted hunts for hundreds of friends-of-friends over the years and there is probably only one that made the hurdle from a friend-of-a-friend to a friend.

In 2007 I made 51 invitations to friends to hunt with me on my own land and they in turn invited 26 of their own friends. I guess I just need to do a better job in the future. A good goal would be to get the ratio of about 80 invites of which no more than 10 are friends-of-friends.

LM

 

[landman]

Yea I understand completely, I have all but forgotten the groups of people to worry about and just stick to a couple buds and have way more fun and noooooo stress, I have lost land to hunt because of these " I;m just gona go ahead and" attitudes. One guy uses these words on a daily basis! "I'm just gona go ahead and". Well the rest that comes out is just crap!. Well take a breath LM and just do what keeps you sane. But If you want some nice dogs, a Lutheren, no piercings, no extra people, Redneck, or any other bull I think we need to hunt togeather some time. Heck I don't even care if we get more than a couple birds, just getting away some time is nice. Maybe you can come up this way for spring RAPALA waleye fishing some time, It can be a fish a cast some years from shore, what a blast. Anyway have a fun fall this year will ya. FCS
PS The pheasant hunting is not too bad either.

Thanks for the kind words. I just need to work harder at avoiding the friends-of-friends so I have more time to just hunt with my own friends and acquantances. I've hunted with at least four folks that I've met through this and the PC Forum and enjoyed each and every one of those hunts together. A couple have hunted with me more than once. I'd enjoy hunting with you sometime too.

LM

 

[landman]

I realize that we're coming at this from 2 different angles Landman. I'm the guy that gets permission to hunt and you are the guy that has the land and grants premission to people. I'm just lucky that the guy that grants me exclusive written permission is a very close friend of my dads. He doesn't even bat an eye when I show up to get permission each year. He has told me numerous times that I can hunt his land without his knowledge but I still get the slip out of respect to him. I have tried to offer him birds, money or helping him around the farm and he just laughs and tells me to kill as many as I can. He doesn't have a problem if I bring any of my friends because he knows and trusts my judgement. He knows that if I'm hunting he knows that the guys I'm hunting with are going to be safe. I'm actually very lucky that I have the opportunity that I have. The farmer knows that I treat his land with respect and he knows that everyone in my group will do the same.

You have a great relationship and friendship with the landowner that must have started many many years ago.

I often marvel at all the good pheasant habitat that never gets hunted, especially during the late season, just because there is lacking a hunter-landowner relationship. I'm sure that are literally thousands of pheasants that don't see a hunter after that second or third week of the season.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Here are a few things to not do. (based upon experience)

Don't:

1. Shoot the host
2. Pop open a beer-half way through the hunt
3. Shoot birds on the ground
4. Light a cigarette while standing in a middle of a CRP field
5. Ask to quit and go home at midday
6. Complain about sandburs
7. Complain about food plots or poor habitat
8. Shoot all the birds
9. Shoot at every bird that gets up with-in or out-of-range
10. Hunt and walk with safety off
11. Brag about your Preserve hunting experiences
12. Cause an overlimit by shooting an extra bird or two at the end of the hunt
13. Wonder away to hunt solo from the main group when hunting together
14. Arrive late
15. Drive vehicles on property
16. Show up intoxicated
17. Fail to appreciate the hosts work towards creating habitat
18. Shoot at rabbits, cats, racoons, coyotes etc without clearing that with the host first.
19. Stray from his property unto the neighbors.


That's a few things that come to mind. I'd like to hear a few more from you.

LM

Boy, you covered this pretty well. While I have not actually been shot, I think I have experienced all the other examples, and came close to being shot!
________
Toyota v engine