Farmland Values

http://pricedingold.com/charts/Farmland-1992.pdf

Farm ground priced in gold.

Our perception bias makes us believe that dollars are a constant measure of value when in fact they are anything but that. They can be and are being created out of thin air every second of every day. They are a mirage.

Real value has to be measured on a relative basis. Gold, being the single best money on the planet is a damn fine place to start when measuring real values. It's worked for over 2000 years. In Rome a very fine mans suit of clothing would cost you 1oz of gold.

Today, 1oz of gold will buy you a very fine man's suit. Relative values may change slightly over time but not a whole hell of a lot. There are occasional pricing anomalies but these create the buying or selling opportunities.

When a currency is being destroyed by debasement, that is a time to get into real things, farm ground, gold, timber, guns or ammo or anything else that is real and not paper.

Paper is a fraud. It can be controlled, manipulated and destroyed with the press of a button. It isn't wealth but the illusion of wealth. Real wealth resides in real assets owned and controlled personally.
 
AtTheMurph I couldn't agree with you more. The people that think cash is a good way to protect wealth will be in for a rude awakening. You can't print paper forever and expect it to have any value.
 
AtTheMurph said:
http://pricedingold.com/charts/Farmland-1992.pdf

Farm ground priced in gold.

Our perception bias makes us believe that dollars are a constant measure of value when in fact they are anything but that. They can be and are being created out of thin air every second of every day. They are a mirage.

Real value has to be measured on a relative basis. Gold, being the single best money on the planet is a damn fine place to start when measuring real values. It's worked for over 2000 years. In Rome a very fine mans suit of clothing would cost you 1oz of gold.

Today, 1oz of gold will buy you a very fine man's suit. Relative values may change slightly over time but not a whole hell of a lot. There are occasional pricing anomalies but these create the buying or selling opportunities.

When a currency is being destroyed by debasement, that is a time to get into real things, farm ground, gold, timber, guns or ammo or anything else that is real and not paper.

Paper is a fraud. It can be controlled, manipulated and destroyed with the press of a button. It isn't wealth but the illusion of wealth. Real wealth resides in real assets owned and controlled personally.
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Until your government passes a new law. Have you forgotten Executive Order 6102 is an Executive Order signed on April 5, 1933, by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion, and Gold Certificates within the continental United States". The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation.
 
OKIEGunner said:
Until your government passes a new law. Have you forgotten Executive Order 6102 is an Executive Order signed on April 5, 1933, by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion, and Gold Certificates within the continental United States". The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation.
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I believe that this order was repealed when Richard Nixon, took us off the gold standard, which previously tied our currency to the gold held by the government in reserve, and allowing our currency to float on the world market.
 
OKIEGunner said:
Until your government passes a new law. Have you forgotten Executive Order 6102 is an Executive Order signed on April 5, 1933, by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion, and Gold Certificates within the continental United States". The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation.
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I have not forgotten it. I also know that a great many citizens completely ignored it to their great benefit.

Governments will always pass laws to protect their own power and gold provides individuals with the power to protect their wealth against the governments efforst to steal it through money printing.

They can pass laws too against gun ownership but I would guess a great many patriots would simply ignore that too. ;)
 
AtTheMurph said:
http://pricedingold.com/charts/Farmland-1992.pdf

Farm ground priced in gold.

Our perception bias makes us believe that dollars are a constant measure of value when in fact they are anything but that. They can be and are being created out of thin air every second of every day. They are a mirage.

Real value has to be measured on a relative basis. Gold, being the single best money on the planet is a damn fine place to start when measuring real values. It's worked for over 2000 years. In Rome a very fine mans suit of clothing would cost you 1oz of gold.

Today, 1oz of gold will buy you a very fine man's suit. Relative values may change slightly over time but not a whole hell of a lot. There are occasional pricing anomalies but these create the buying or selling opportunities.

When a currency is being destroyed by debasement, that is a time to get into real things, farm ground, gold, timber, guns or ammo or anything else that is real and not paper.

Paper is a fraud. It can be controlled, manipulated and destroyed with the press of a button. It isn't wealth but the illusion of wealth. Real wealth resides in real assets owned and controlled personally.
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The problem with gold is unless it is in your physical possession, it is likely imaginary. A great deal of the gold currently "trading" is not bought and sold but simply leased (in some cases to many people at the same time). When 60 mins or someone breaks this story, then they'll be a flight from gold. Gold goes up and gold goes down. Back in the gold old days tulip bulbs were the same way. There is far more fraud associated with precious metal commodities than anything the fed is doing printing money like there is no tomorrow.
 
morrismike said:
The problem with gold is unless it is in your physical possession, it is likely imaginary. A great deal of the gold currently "trading" is not bought and sold but simply leased (in some cases to many people at the same time). When 60 mins or someone breaks this story, then they'll be a flight from gold. Gold goes up and gold goes down. Back in the gold old days tulip bulbs were the same way. There is far more fraud associated with precious metal commodities than anything the fed is doing printing money like there is no tomorrow.
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I agree 100%, even if one was to have the gold in their physical possession. If the poop hits the fan in this country. Those with the real power wouldn't let you have a avenue to get the real worth of that gold, when you need it for the things needed for your survival. Just like with everything else. They would control where, when and how you would sell/cash in that gold. It's all about control, domination, power and greed.
 
Something all of you should watch is the documentary MUGABE and THE WHITE AFRICAN. I think it should give you a take on what can and is happening in some very productive areas of the world. It made me think that with the contiuous increase in population that the ability to work together for food production is most likely going to be just as important may be even more than diamonds/gold/weapon production. As we are finding out internationally in Afghanistan Iraq etc the difficlulty in getting people to work together for the good of all is not so easy then when societies collapse because of thugs are allowed to raise their ugly heads in government it is even more of a problem. You can do and believe what you want but with the demands of such a huge population in this world I think good farmland is going to be a very good investment to cheerish and maintain.

Clips of the above mentioned documentary I believe are available on You Tube and you can order the dvd for full viewing on some of the online sites. It will make you think.
 
I have a better idea. Everyone buy a piece of land (even if is just an acre or 5 or 40) and then buy more until they have enough. I did it. I have enough.

The more Americans that own a piece of something worth fighting for the more secure this nation will be.

I know webguy is looking into this. Let's all help webguy buy land and then he can invite us out for a big UPH hut and party!:10sign::cheers:
 
Not being overly knowledgable about the subject I'm probably treading on thin ice here but wouldn't gold only have value for roughly the same reason paper money currently has value? The fact being that people participating in trade would need to recognize it as currency and accept it in exchange for other goods or services?

Other than being used as a conductive metal in electronics what else can gold do? You can't eat it, burn it for heat, fuel a vehichle, make guns or weapons out of it etc. etc.

I get that quantitative easing is a concern and needs to addressed but if the dollar truly does take a total collapse are we not way beyond the point where gold matters? IMO we would go straight to "$h1t hit the fan" mode and things of value would be food, shelter and fuel. In that situation owning a large chunk of property, food supplies and a cache of guns & ammo will certainly give one a leg up but maintaining that new wealth would be directly proportional to ones ability and resolve to keep others from physically siezing it.
 
UGUIDE said:
I have a better idea. Everyone buy a piece of land (even if is just an acre or 5 or 40) and then buy more until they have enough. I did it. I have enough.

The more Americans that own a piece of something worth fighting for the more secure this nation will be.

I know webguy is looking into this. Let's all help webguy buy land and then he can invite us out for a big UPH hut and party!:10sign::cheers:
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You say you have enough but what about those that no matter what. They will NEVER have enough?

http://www.landreport.com/americas-100-largest-landowners/

When it's all gone....so is the American dream. That's their plan
 
onpoint said:
You say you have enough but what about those that no matter what. They will NEVER have enough?

http://www.landreport.com/americas-100-largest-landowners/

When it's all gone....so is the American dream. That's their plan
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They become altruistic in later life and endow universities, and build libraries to assauge their guilt and in hope of saving their imortal souls. Keep an eye out for first signs that the "smart" money is running from farmland. It will be a sign that robber barron profits are no longer availalbe, and the power brokers have latched upon a more lucrative short term proposition.
 
I have more then enough land.
I'm going to lose AG homestead on a bunch of pastureland. Been six weeks since I sold the cowherd. Already I've been notified it will be taxed recreational.

Pastureland is now ALL wildlife habitat. I can not use my retirement to pay taxes. Guess what happens to the land?:(
 
mnmthunting said:
I have more then enough land.
I'm going to lose AG homestead on a bunch of pastureland. Been six weeks since I sold the cowherd. Already I've been notified it will be taxed recreational.

Pastureland is now ALL wildlife habitat. I can not use my retirement to pay taxes. Guess what happens to the land?:(
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Take cows in on a custom basis. You set the stocking rate so it is stiill wildlife friendly. The cattle go in the fall so you don't have to winter any and you are still using it as ag land. It might work.
 
onpoint said:
You say you have enough but what about those that no matter what. They will NEVER have enough?

http://www.landreport.com/americas-100-largest-landowners/

When it's all gone....so is the American dream. That's their plan
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What about them onpoint? The American Dream isn't about THEM, it's about YOU and what YOU will do with it.

If you believe that THEY haven taken it away from YOU then I am afraid YOU are right.
 
UGUIDE said:
What about them onpoint? The American Dream isn't about THEM, it's about YOU and what YOU will do with it.

If you believe that THEY haven taken it away from YOU then I am afraid YOU are right.
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Dream and total domination are two different things. Where do you draw the line? When this has happened in many countries, the only way the dream has been restored was for the commoner to take up arms and take back what was horded by the few. History will repeat itself. You can only make a society so poor before they revolt.

This society that keeps saying..it could never happen here and the good times will never end. Are only fooling themselves.
 
onpoint I agree, I have said for years that revolt is comming to America but that I just didn't think it would be in my life time--I'm not sure that is true anymore---I'm 64
 
SDJIM said:
onpoint I agree, I have said for years that revolt is comming to America but that I just didn't think it would be in my life time--I'm not sure that is true anymore---I'm 64
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I hope not. We almost lost the whole shootin' match in the 30's. We were saved by unconstitutinal intervention by the government, and judicious use of the expanded powers of the Presidency instituted by Herbert Hoover, used by his successor, along with the Sherman anti-trust laws written and enforced by another Republican, but an American first and foremost, Teddy Rooseveldt. I just watched the Republican primary coverage from South Carolina, we need a luminary, who will save us now?
 
onpoint said:
Dream and total domination are two different things. Where do you draw the line? When this has happened in many countries, the only way the dream has been restored was for the commoner to take up arms and take back what was horded by the few. History will repeat itself. You can only make a society so poor before they revolt.

This society that keeps saying..it could never happen here and the good times will never end. Are only fooling themselves.
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Onpoint, I can't disagree that if things keep going the way they are going there is a revolt brewing and we see signs of it every day. We especially see since signs of it oversees.

Some people are held captive by the perception that somebody else has it all. Some have bigger dreams than others. I didn't have a dream to be president but i am sure glad that somebody else did!

I just encourage you to get a dream. Illegal immigrants come in our country everyday and begin realizing the american dream. Why? Because the got a handout? NO! Because they were living in the land of the FREE.

Get a dream brother.
 
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