Designer Pheasant hunters
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phird05
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onpoint
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Ya I started the topic
Really the whole thing is mute because when the 50-60 degree weather of Oct. is gone so are the designer Pheasant hunters. Most are fair weather hunters only. The locals are all talking about with the late harvest and most the out of staters coming in Oct every year. They may enjoy some of the best late season hunting ever.
Not picking on anyone just stating a fact
Really the whole thing is mute because when the 50-60 degree weather of Oct. is gone so are the designer Pheasant hunters. Most are fair weather hunters only. The locals are all talking about with the late harvest and most the out of staters coming in Oct every year. They may enjoy some of the best late season hunting ever.
Not picking on anyone just stating a fact
airmedic1
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I thougth maybe you were talking about me!.. My truck was new, the dog box new, boots, pants, shirt, vest and gun were all new on the opening day. I did have on an old hat though, but now after almost 4 weeks the dogs no longer have eyelashs or much for whiskers and the bitches nipples are almost wore off again. The rest of my stuff looks worn as well but the guy wearing them has a lot of hard miles on him.
I count myself as being fortunate, being able to have purchased three permits and having hunted in three different states with a fourth coming up this weekend.
The guys that show up out of state, dressed like I was pay a lot of bills for the locals. I know that I have contributed a considerable amount of money to the local economies of the places that I have been these last few weeks. Lodging, food, gasoline and even some liquor and beer for after the hunt.
Just because these guys can afford nice things doesn't mean they are bad people! Before this point in my life I couldn't afford the things that I have now but I have always been an avid hunter.
When I was young with a new family I hunted with a bunch of guys like you described. They were from California and had money but they were nice guys and I still count them as friends and hunt with them whenever I can.
There's an old saying, "never judge a book by its cover".
Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly recognizes genius.
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
I count myself as being fortunate, being able to have purchased three permits and having hunted in three different states with a fourth coming up this weekend.
The guys that show up out of state, dressed like I was pay a lot of bills for the locals. I know that I have contributed a considerable amount of money to the local economies of the places that I have been these last few weeks. Lodging, food, gasoline and even some liquor and beer for after the hunt.
Just because these guys can afford nice things doesn't mean they are bad people! Before this point in my life I couldn't afford the things that I have now but I have always been an avid hunter.
When I was young with a new family I hunted with a bunch of guys like you described. They were from California and had money but they were nice guys and I still count them as friends and hunt with them whenever I can.
There's an old saying, "never judge a book by its cover".
Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly recognizes genius.
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
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jnormanh
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I must be a designer hunter. I've got a $60 pair of boots which are just three years old, and a $10 ventilated orange vest that's only 30 years old. That, plus a pair or worn jeans and raggedy sweatshirt (and a $20 hooded raincoat, if needed, and I look like i just stepped off an Orvis page.)
I don't dress up so much for Southern quail or doves. Early season Ive been known to hunt in a faded t-shirt and sneakers, no socks.
I don't dress up so much for Southern quail or doves. Early season Ive been known to hunt in a faded t-shirt and sneakers, no socks.
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stevemankato
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I have found that some of those guys that are all dressed up tend to be the ones who are enjoying it the most. I doubt they are concerned with numbers it seems to be more of a vacation. I think the guys that are claiming to be the "real" hunters are the ones that have to kill everything and break a few rules if need be. I am from SD and It is always the "out of staters". I don't care were your from I enjoying meeting SPORTSMEN hope everyone has a great season!
onpoint
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"I think the guys that are claiming to be the "real" hunters are the ones that have to kill everything and break a few rules if need be."
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I disagree....The designer Pheasant hunter in many cases just pays to shoot over a limit by hunting a preserve. 15 a day vs 3...all it takes is money. If numbers weren't a issue, why do people pay to shoot more birds than is allowed on public or normal private ground. Why do people take pictures in front of everybody's birds who is hunting, instead of just the ones they shot?
In fact you can not deny that most Pheasant hunting operation's parade their pictures of piles of birds across their web-sites and ad's. Bigger the piles of birds, the better the picture. It is in fact about the numbers. Why do people flock to South Dakota? because there's a chance they will find themselves in one of those pictures. People are naturally greedy, all of us. Just look at all the business people caught embezzling on the news, wall street and it's fraud, public officials doing wrong everyday, people trampling each other every holiday to bust through the doors of a store to get some have to have item for their kid or themselves. There are those that come to the Pheasant fields to just enjoy it but most are there for a limit and some as I said pay to shoot far more. Heck, I like to show my success as much as anybody but I do only take pictures of our birds and my game animals. I'm not the kind of person that could gather enjoyment from what is not mine.
I also couldn't get enjoyment from shooting pen raised birds. I have farmed for many years and to me it's like shooting a bunch of chickens. It's just unrewarding to me.
onpoint
I was a "newbie" out of state pheasant hunter in South Dakota this year.I had to buy a new small game vest as there are no pheasants to speak of here in Pa. I was invited to join a group of guys who have been hunting the Woonsocket area for over 30 years.I came to South Dakota to experience what pheasant hunting should be and was not disappointed.We hunted a private farm with lots of wild birds and paid a very modest fee of $100 a day to enjoy a very large farm with LOTS of birds.Some of the group talked of hunting the farm during the middle of the day and then "road hunting" in the later part of the day.I listened to the "rules" of road hunting and after talking to Kevin the farms owner and him expressing how he felt about it I decided that I was not interested in road hunting.I didn't drive 1,100 miles to shoot birds standing along the road (just a dead bird ,not hunting) I shot my birds the way it should be done and have no regrets.The last thing I wanted to do was upset any residents or landowners in the area.I was a guest in thier area and just wanted to have a good time.I have plans to return next year and can't wait.
I found the people of Woonsocket to be very friendly and just glad to see us guys there enjoying thier area.The resurants,bars,gas stations,motels etc. all benefited from us being there.
I found the people of Woonsocket to be very friendly and just glad to see us guys there enjoying thier area.The resurants,bars,gas stations,motels etc. all benefited from us being there.
moellermd
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ONPOINT has this one right. If you are paying to hunt birds at a big lodge you are paying to get your limit. Yea it is also about a good time for them. Staying at a nice place, being away from the wife watching the football games in the lodge when they are done hunting at 2pm or even noon. That is fine with me. Like I said earlier if that's how they want to do it is OK with me. It is just not for me.
During the season I only hunt public land (yes that does include a lot of cattails 
). Now I will take my brittany and my son to hunt those "chickens" you speak of before and after the season. I consider it very good training for both, I guess it depends on the game farm but where I go the birds fly a very realistic flight.
The great thing is, the season here in Kansas is just 2 days away and my son is sitting in school today thinking of nothing else but shooting a rooster, because we leave for out west at 5 AM in the morning. :thumbsup:
). Now I will take my brittany and my son to hunt those "chickens" you speak of before and after the season. I consider it very good training for both, I guess it depends on the game farm but where I go the birds fly a very realistic flight.The great thing is, the season here in Kansas is just 2 days away and my son is sitting in school today thinking of nothing else but shooting a rooster, because we leave for out west at 5 AM in the morning. :thumbsup:
kiotehntr
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Since the Kansas season is opening in 2 days can't we all just get a group hug or something. I'm pretty sure that Onpoint wasn't intending to ruffle everybody's feathers, he was just making a observation/statement. Let's kick the tires and light some fires boys, season's almost here.........
I can't understand why your "designer hunters" is such and issue. What is being implied is, if you don't hunt everday and every year, you shouldn't be able to hunt at all. Maybe these guys don't have time to hunt that often because their careers don't allow it. Maybe they don't have time to scout a public area to hunt, or have time to own a dog so they pay to go to a private hunt club, that by the way, owns their own land and can do with it however they wish. (At least until Obama declares it national property)
I find it nearly offensive that you have to be apart of some sort of "click" in order to enjoy a hunt. I say more power to the wealthy one-timers and I hope they have a good time.
I find it nearly offensive that you have to be apart of some sort of "click" in order to enjoy a hunt. I say more power to the wealthy one-timers and I hope they have a good time.
onpoint
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" I can't understand why your "designer hunters" is such and issue."
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Because do you know the amount of land that has been closed off that was available to everybody with just asking permission and a hand shake was all the was exchanged. There are plenty of people who can't afford to pay $100.00 per day, much less take there kids with and pay for them as well. Try living in a rural area, working your ass off to try and make ends meet and as a local you can't get on places anymore because people from far off have made paying your way a way of life. I can't even count the amount of local people I know that hunted when I was little or guys from high school that have quit hunting. Many have had to choose other things to do for enjoyment. Heck, many are not even allowed to hunt on family members farms because family has chosen pay hunters over their own family members. Basements turned into bunk houses full of bunk beds for pay hunters. Neighbors use to work hard with each other, help each other farm, combine together, hunt together, have meal's and holidays together. Now, heck some don't even know their neighbors or want to.
I'm sorry if I have offended people but pay hunting has changed the landscape for ever. Driving by places your grandfather and father hunted for years, owned by family & friends. Now posted and trucks full of fancy dressed hunters from far off standing a breast driving birds from the cover. Places bought up and turned into hunting preserves. Land being bought up by people from cities and towns far off. See everything you grew up with disappearing. I'm sorry but I don't look at it as a good thing for me, my family or the sport of hunting for the local rural resident. Sometimes being rich doesn't have to come in the form of money. For me, somethings are not for sale. My heritage. tradition and solitude are a few of them. I may be rubbing some the wrong way and I'm sorry if I am. I'm sure most if not all are very nice folks. I just don't except seeing what the commercializing of the sport is doing to our rural areas. Making the choice to struggle your way in a rural area to at least have the advantage of enjoying a few things like hunting is why we lived here. It's fastly becoming a advantage of the past. Trust my words...PAY HUNTING WILL BE THE DEATH OF THE SPORT..NO MATTER WHAT SOME OF YOU THINK..MONEY WILL NOT CARRY THE VOICE TO WASHINGTON OR THE VOTING BOOTH. Many people have dropped hunting and many more will
http://blog.mlive.com/kalamazoo_gazette_extra/2007/09/hunting_2007_decline_in_hunter.html
http://bowsite.com/bowsite/features/articles/2006survey/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/03/national/main3228893.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20071023/a_hunting23.art.htm
" I can't understand why your "designer hunters" is such and issue."
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Because do you know the amount of land that has been closed off that was available to everybody with just asking permission and a hand shake was all the was exchanged. There are plenty of people who can't afford to pay $100.00 per day, much less take there kids with and pay for them as well. Try living in a rural area, working your ass off to try and make ends meet and as a local you can't get on places anymore because people from far off have made paying your way a way of life. I can't even count the amount of local people I know that hunted when I was little or guys from high school that have quit hunting. Many have had to choose other things to do for enjoyment. Heck, many are not even allowed to hunt on family members farms because family has chosen pay hunters over their own family members. Basements turned into bunk houses full of bunk beds for pay hunters. Neighbors use to work hard with each other, help each other farm, combine together, hunt together, have meal's and holidays together. Now, heck some don't even know their neighbors or want to.
I'm sorry if I have offended people but pay hunting has changed the landscape for ever. Driving by places your grandfather and father hunted for years, owned by family & friends. Now posted and trucks full of fancy dressed hunters from far off standing a breast driving birds from the cover. Places bought up and turned into hunting preserves. Land being bought up by people from cities and towns far off. See everything you grew up with disappearing. I'm sorry but I don't look at it as a good thing for me, my family or the sport of hunting for the local rural resident. Sometimes being rich doesn't have to come in the form of money. For me, somethings are not for sale. My heritage. tradition and solitude are a few of them. I may be rubbing some the wrong way and I'm sorry if I am. I'm sure most if not all are very nice folks. I just don't except seeing what the commercializing of the sport is doing to our rural areas. Making the choice to struggle your way in a rural area to at least have the advantage of enjoying a few things like hunting is why we lived here. It's fastly becoming a advantage of the past. Trust my words...PAY HUNTING WILL BE THE DEATH OF THE SPORT..NO MATTER WHAT SOME OF YOU THINK..MONEY WILL NOT CARRY THE VOICE TO WASHINGTON OR THE VOTING BOOTH. Many people have dropped hunting and many more will
http://blog.mlive.com/kalamazoo_gazette_extra/2007/09/hunting_2007_decline_in_hunter.html
http://bowsite.com/bowsite/features/articles/2006survey/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/03/national/main3228893.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20071023/a_hunting23.art.htm
Dang it all to heck. I was gona wash my truck before heading to Kansas so I could see out the windows. Not now, all of you will make fun of me.
RogerWYO
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Uncle Buck
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What you need is a pick up or Suburban so you don't have to hunt in that girly car. :cheers:
Uncle Buck
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The trend of fewer hunters is true. Too many toys for the kids these days and they do not get involved in the healthy activities we do. Some east and west coast communities, schools discourage hunting with all the political correctness going on.
Out here it seems we have more hunters every year, tho fewer locals. I do not see the public lands decreasing here, in fact they may be increasing. All this must mean that as suspected, we have more out of staters every year which some mind and most do not. Most of this point has been discussed here earlier and/or on PC.
Out here it seems we have more hunters every year, tho fewer locals. I do not see the public lands decreasing here, in fact they may be increasing. All this must mean that as suspected, we have more out of staters every year which some mind and most do not. Most of this point has been discussed here earlier and/or on PC.
moellermd
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No that's fight'en words. Nothing wrong with hunting out of a car. It is more of a stealth mobile. No one ever suspects that you are out hunting with the dogs hid in the trunk. Most importantly with the car you are never labeled a "designer hunter".
Sounds to me, your real issue isn't with the hunters paying, but with the landowner charging. His land, his choice. If I could charge someone to hunt my land, I'd do it also. Of course, if you as a taxpayer would like to subsidize my land and I'd get a break on my taxes, I'd let you hunt it also.
Maybe you should contact your state reps and get them to purchase more land for public use. Or maybe hunters could pay an extra $5 on their license used to purchase more public land. I can't see blaming the landowners for making a buck on their property or the hunter for paying for the priveledge to hunt it. You can be upset about it but, you can't blame them.
FCSpringer
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Haaaa! now were cookin, I use a 97 escort wagon. I look like Grandma out there. But I do save gas over taking my 4x4 at least till the snow gets here. I bought that sucker In OH with 20,000 miles on it. It should get me around with the dogs for awhile. + If I get stuck I will just flag down a designer hunter to pull me out.
Also steped in dog crap today so the danners aint new no more.
Gota give him credit here he did create a sucessfull post. But It's nice to still see some humor here.
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