Designer Pheasant hunters

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Interesting thread. Over the past five years I have had the chance to talk to a few of these guys over breakfast at the Holiday Inn Express. Actually, they are a pretty good bunch of fellas for the most part. I would rather have them out pheasant hunting a few days than supporting PITA all year.

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Those farmers in SD charging to hunt aren't driven by the rich guys. They are simply tired of struggling with downward spiraling farm income and trying to keep afloat. Good for them if they can make some income on the hunting.
 
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wisturkeyhunter said:
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Your off point here. This has already been said but you don't get it. Guys that hunt one week a year with guides still pay the license fees that help buy land and other things that help everyone. They also are another voice for gun and hunter rights. To say they are ruining hunting is wrong. Laugh at em if you want, don't hunt with em, stay away from em, but don't complain that they are ruining hunting.
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Do you really think that the well to do in the UK cared that the common man continued to hunt?

Divide and concur

Ultimately they were only worried about themselves. That's where they made their mistake because in the end they lost their voice among the elected. 75% of the UK's residents now support the ban on hunting. They priced out the common man and lost the common man's support to protect their hunting rights. We have learned nothing from it either, as we continue down the same path as the UK did. Once the pay hunting has taken over and the common person is forced to give it up. Don't look for these people to continue to support a sport they were forced out of. When election time comes, they will put other matters at the top of their reason for voting for someone. In a matter of time hunting will be severely curtailed and regulated or eliminated as it has been all over the rest of the world. People rely on money too much. Just because you are financially sound and think as long as you can afford to pay whatever is being asked now to achieve your hunting success. Doesn't mean later in your life, your children's life or grandchildren's life that money won't secure them the right to hunt. Our rights are secured in number of voices being heard not numbers of dollars spent.

How about put a tax on these high dollar hunting operations that would go to purchase "Public" lands open to hunting. Do you think they would support this, where free hunting would be in direct competition with their pay operation funded from part of their tax dollars? I bet than we would see just how supportive they are. Would they choose themselves over the ultimate survival of the free lance hunter and the sport?

onpoint
 
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lefty said:
Good point, Husker. Over 100k oos hunters come to SD for bird hunting. That's a lot of coin going into the state coffers, not to mention the positive economic impact to local towns. What's that old expression "Be careful what you wish for".


I snicker too, at those trucks, without a speck of dirt on them.
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And, "Don't bite the hand that feeds."
 
onpoint said:
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How about put a tax on these high dollar hunting operations that would go to purchase "Public" lands open to hunting. Do you think they would support this, where free hunting would be in direct competition with their pay operation funded from part of their tax dollars? I bet than we would see just how supportive they are. Would they choose themselves over the ultimate survival of the free lance hunter and the sport?

onpoint
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Robin Hood isn't my hero.
 
I am trying to be nice but it's getting tough

wisturkyhunter how about we get us a good "Union Made" Beer and rent 'Capitalism: A Love Story ...and talk about this...Grin..LOL
 
Yeah maybe we can meet at the whitehouse for a beer and talk with hussein about socialism and spreading the wealth. He's into them kinda things.


Now back on topic.
Anytime you put more cost(taxes) on hunting or shooting you are driving people from the sport. Not something we need right now. You might think the rich folks can handle it and its only fair they do their part but its not all rich folks that are designer pheasant hunters. Alot of them are just regular people who like to shoot birds once a year and more cost could drive them away. I say anyone that hunts pheasants safe and ethically is a good guy.
 
No matter what or how much $ a guy sticks into there hunt or clothes or whatever I bet they all still use duct tape.:D


I see both sides here, on one hand we have a time old tradition of ask thy nieghbor and go, like many of us got to when we grew up. Then some of us see our neighbor with leased land signs up and we no longer can hunt there. This is the sad part. But there is nothing we can do but move on and ask another. We realy cant blame a guy for trying to make a buck off the land if he is a farmer in need. But there are some that should be Taxed a bit more as well. What I find funny is some of the pay to hunt wild bird places in SD and ND buy birds from the Gal I get training birds from, she has been told only to deliver them after dark so no locals find out. Now thats a good one. I can buy the same bird these guys pay 20$ or more for, for 6-7$. HA!:D:D:laugh: She just halled them over 2,000 a couple weeks ago. So on one hand Yes we have lost a few spots but useualy found another, the other hand the fool has been easily parted with his $ and has ultimately suported family's all over even a gal who raised birds in MN. If it gets so bad we the people will have to rise up and be one voice, but I don't see that happening. This Country has too many people like ourselves in it. So if we all stick togeather on gun issues and hunting rights we will be passing it on to future generations. When I was in ND last time I would say 95 % of the guy's I asked let me go for a day or two. Seemed like most just liked the chit chat or the right flavor of fluids. Nice folks. Good luck to all and have fun with the hounds.
 
onpoint said:
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Do you really think that the well to do in the UK cared that the common man continued to hunt?

Divide and concur

Ultimately they were only worried about themselves. That's where they made their mistake because in the end they lost their voice among the elected. 75% of the UK's residents now support the ban on hunting. They priced out the common man and lost the common man's support to protect their hunting rights. We have learned nothing from it either, as we continue down the same path as the UK did. Once the pay hunting has taken over and the common person is forced to give it up. Don't look for these people to continue to support a sport they were forced out of. When election time comes, they will put other matters at the top of their reason for voting for someone. In a matter of time hunting will be severely curtailed and regulated or eliminated as it has been all over the rest of the world. People rely on money too much. Just because you are financially sound and think as long as you can afford to pay whatever is being asked now to achieve your hunting success. Doesn't mean later in your life, your children's life or grandchildren's life that money won't secure them the right to hunt. Our rights are secured in number of voices being heard not numbers of dollars spent.

How about put a tax on these high dollar hunting operations that would go to purchase "Public" lands open to hunting. Do you think they would support this, where free hunting would be in direct competition with their pay operation funded from part of their tax dollars? I bet than we would see just how supportive they are. Would they choose themselves over the ultimate survival of the free lance hunter and the sport?

onpoint
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If any of you can show me where the free hunting is, I'm in.

Since when do any of us NOT pay to hunt anything. Every one of us pays to hunt. It's just a matter of what each of us can afford and are willing to pay. My clothes may be dirty and grubby, but I am willing to spend money to travel where I can afford to hunt wild birds. Show me any acitvity or sport and I will show you the people with the clean jerseys, hunting vests, bicycling outfit, golf clothes.....you get the idea.(maybe not).

My point is, each one of us, at some point in our earlier years bought new clothes for whatever we were doing for fun. The fact that someone is only able to hunt one vacation per year is no reason to discrimenate is it?

Not only that, if you really want to spend your time laughing at people that don't fit your mold, you definately have too much time on your hands!

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So which is worse, the rich laughing at the poor or the poor laughing at the rich? :confused: Man I wish I wouldn't have bought my 14 year old son all new hunting gear for his first pheasant trip, some clown may mistake us for a couple of rich guys. :D
 
I still see more Filson clothing (just like Caddie Escalades) that never sees real work or off road use.

20 years ago, my brother and I used to joke about "cabela" or "scheels" hunters. All dressed up in their new clothes and logoed caps. We would then comment "no threat to the local game population".

It is not just SD pheasants, it is all over. I once spoke with a floor manager at Mack's in Arkansas. He said guys role in and spend $100s on waterfowl clothing, hunt a few days, and hand it over to the guide or someone else. They have no room to return home with the clothing.

I probably look like I shop at Goodwill, but in reality I try purchase well made equipment and clothing and use it until it cannot function any longer. A little faded, a litte bloody, a litte worn, does not mean in effective.
 
JayhawkJ said:
So which is worse, the rich laughing at the poor or the poor laughing at the rich? :confused: Man I wish I wouldn't have bought my 14 year old son all new hunting gear for his first pheasant trip, some clown may mistake us for a couple of rich guys. :D
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My 14 year old keeps growing and growing ... but his new clothing looks new for say - one walk. Mud, blood, and tough wear turns everything a little duller.
 
I've been steering clear of this subject for awhile but I'm not going to anymore. Does it seriously matter what hunters wear? Does it really matter if guys pay a ton of money for clothes/trucks/guns and a hunt? I seriously think that we as sportsmen have more pressing issues that need to be addressed. I'm by no means rich, but I drive a new truck, have 2 new expensive shotguns, have a pampered as hell GSP, currently purchasing my first house, wear nice hunting clothes but does that make me any different than Joe Blow, no it doesn't. I'm a blue collar worker, I like to have nice things, but I get dirty with the best of them. If I was driving down the road and saw Joe Blow stuck in the ditch with his new Suburban or Escalade I wouldn't just pass them by, I would grab my rope and pull them out. If I saw some old Chevy or Ford stuck in the ditch with hunters wearing old battered clothes and old shotguns and mutts for dogs you know what, I'm still going to pull them out. We are all out enjoying the same thing, being outdoors enjoying the thrill of the hunt.....:thumbsup:
 
I agree, and I also would like to know where I could guide for these guy's that will give me all there stuff when the hunt is over. I would guide them any day. Sounds like a person who was thankfull for a great time. Without people spending $ we would be a ton worse off than we are now, we should consider ourselves lucky a Cabelas is even open right now.
 
"The clothes don't make the man."

"The clothes don't make the man." I think that is how the saying goes. To many people think fancy clothes means rich guy buying his way. Than you have the hillbilly rednecks that wear worn out stuff and they are thought of as outlaws that poach and trespass. I think you need to look beyond the clothes and judge the man on his actions/character :)
 
Prairie Bird Hunter said:
"The clothes don't make the man." I think that is how the saying goes. To many people think fancy clothes means rich guy buying his way. Than you have the hillbilly rednecks that wear worn out stuff and they are thought of as outlaws that poach and trespass. I think you need to look beyond the clothes and judge the man on his actions/character :)
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Agreed 100% :thumbsup:
 
This started out with a example of suv's with numerous people, all dressed to kill and spotless. Some of have turned it completely around to include a single person with new boots or a jacket. We know who and what was singled out in the Org. post. Lets not turn this into something it's not. 6 guys in a $50,000 plus SUV dressed like Cabela's models do stand out in a rural setting such as the Dakota's. They stuck out like a sore thumb...it was a good laugh among country boys. It's kinda like getting off a plane in the middle east with flowered Hawaiian shirts on and a suit case full of camera's...you have tourist written all over you. It is what it is

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onpoint said:
This started out with a example of suv's with numerous people, all dressed to kill and spotless. Some of have turned it completely around to include a single person with new boots or a jacket. We know who and what was singled out in the Org. post. Lets not turn this into something it's not. 6 guys in a $50,000 plus SUV dressed like Cabela's models do stand out in a rural setting such as the Dakota's. They stuck out like a sore thumb...it was a good laugh among country boys. It's kinda like getting off a plane in the middle east with flowered Hawaiian shirts on and a suit case full of camera's...you have tourist written all over you. It is what it is

onpoint
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And I agree with you....
 
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