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[birdshooter]

I still think you can build upon a proven design to make it even better. This goes for any business. If one rests on their laurels and become complacent then the competition will pass you up, not only in sales, but the quality of their product.

I'm sure Glock does not rest on it's laurels and even if their basic design hasn't changed much, they continue to strive to improve upon what they have. This might be in their testing, this might be in the form of adding new features/materials to make it not only safer, but more accurate and dependable then it currently is.

 

[onpoint]

Quote birdman652001
"police rather have a quick drawing guns than to have a switch, Im left hand, i can NOT have a trigger finger be doing the safety buttons, hence Glocks dont need an EXTRA finger to turn off the safety. if we had berettas, they wont and probaly wouldnt spend that extra dollar to get me a left hand model. you are issued what they have. period. no one gets fanicer."

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For information purposes only. The Beretta 92 & 96 are right or left handed safety operation.

Also, the same magazines from the standard size frame or compact model fit both guns.

I'm only supplying this as information in the choosing of the Org posters carry gun or information for others who may be interested. Just posting what I have had for experience and those I have as family and friends in law enforcement and military community. Wish you the best in whatever you choose for a side arm.

Onpoint

 

[birdman652001]

Dakotazeb, whatever you do, dont let them convince you of a Ruger KP95 gun.... according to my buddy who just got done at a federal academy training...

By the way they had us shooting Ruger KP95's at FLETC, what a piece of shit.

if any of you dont know what FLETC is.. its Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. Ive attended this years ago back in 2006.. thank god from what he said, we didnt shoot these guns for training.

 

[birdman652001]

I'm only supplying this as information in the choosing of the Org posters carry gun or information for others who may be interested. Just posting what I have had for experience and those I have as family and friends in law enforcement and military community. Wish you the best in whatever you choose for a side arm.

Onpoint

Now we're getting somewhere.. this is an opinion from a beretta guy. this post is well mannered and appropriate way to express your opinion.

 

[birdman652001]

I still think you can build upon a proven design to make it even better. This goes for any business. If one rests on their laurels and become complacent then the competition will pass you up, not only in sales, but the quality of their product.

I'm sure Glock does not rest on it's laurels and even if their basic design hasn't changed much, they continue to strive to improve upon what they have. This might be in their testing, this might be in the form of adding new features/materials to make it not only safer, but more accurate and dependable then it currently is.

I went to the local Runnings Farm and Fleet, Fort Pierre gun shop, and Dakotamart.

Runnings and Dakotamart did NOT have H&Ks.. i asked why.. they said the demands for them are low. we do not carry guns that are low demands.

Gun shop had several used one. I asked them if they are good guns compared to GLocks or Springfields or even Berettas.

they said and I QUOTE: "personally i wouldnt buy one. the people who traded these guns went for a XD or a Glock.

one customer had a H&K that was no good. I refused him to trade his gun to me. Not worth fixing. "

Dakotamart was no help. there was just 20 year old kids with an older man who was constantly busy so i did not ask him about it bc i respect his time frame as the kids were not your best choice to ask about hand guns.

Runnings had ONE beretta 92FS for sale, had lots of Rugers for sale, Lots of Glocks for sale.

you will see LOTS of glocks for new or used... take this for ecxample. GM make so many Grand Prix and Grand Ams that EVERYONE about had one. you see more and more of them at used car lots.

same with glocks. theres soo many productions of them its common to see them.

as far as glock making new glock? yes they do. theres Glock, Glock gen 2, Glock gen 3 and Glock gen 4(current) as they might readjust the grip pattern, or new plastic trigger instead of the old one, or whatever. it could be a brand new metal spring they decided to use.. but the design of the Glocks are mostly the same. I have NOT see a hammer type glock yet.

ported barrels are the newest but not needed. I think a lot of competition shooting are using the ported from Glock for less recoil from the gun power.


If someone gave me a H&K right now.. for free. I wouldnt accept it.

 

[moellermd]

Boy a guy leaves for a week and the whole place comes tumbling down.

 

[birdman652001]

Boy a guy leaves for a week and the whole place comes tumbling down.

it did?



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[Dakotazeb]

Boy a guy leaves for a week and the whole place comes tumbling down.

You only missed some great discussion and advice on semi-auto handguns. But take the time to read this thread and offer your opinion.

Welcome back. Where were you? When I was gone to Arizona for a week I took my laptop and was able to keep in touch with UPH.

 

[moellermd]

You only missed some great discussion and advice on semi-auto handguns. But take the time to read this thread and offer your opinion.

Welcome back. Where were you? When I was gone to Arizona for a week I took my laptop and was able to keep in touch with UPH.

My wife made me go to Cabo.

I think what has been said is good advice. I to am a Glock 22/23 fan. I have both and both are very reliable they always go bang. Back in my army days I worked with a sheriff deputy who was the range officer. Every noon we would head to the range for lunch and do some failure to stop drills. Two to the body, one to head, throw in a couple pelvic girdles every now and then to mix it up. We would easily shoot a 100 rounds every noon. After doing that for a couple months I never had a malfunction with the Glock, well maybe a stove pipe or two but that can probably be attributed to the reman ammo. I also have a couple Kimbers. They are nice but like all 1911's they can be picky on the ammo. A Glock will eat anything.

 

[birdman652001]

My wife made me go to Cabo.

I think what has been said is good advice. I to am a Glock 22/23 fan. I have both and both are very reliable they always go bang. Back in my army days I worked with a sheriff deputy who was the range officer. Every noon we would head to the range for lunch and do some failure to stop drills. Two to the body, one to head, throw in a couple pelvic girdles every now and then to mix it up. We would easily shoot a 100 rounds every noon. After doing that for a couple months I never had a malfunction with the Glock, well maybe a stove pipe or two but that can probably be attributed to the reman ammo. I also have a couple Kimbers. They are nice but like all 1911's they can be picky on the ammo. A Glock will eat anything.

a great statement.

every qualification for our weapons, my Glock 22 has never failed a fire. however my AR-15 has but again those qualifications, some of those 223s were re-loads. when they do mis-fire, you have to do this qual as if it was a line of duty action, pump out that dead bullet and get back on the firing. Weapon Quals were timed. same with my glock, but again i have yet to experience that mis fire.

the actual new loads for AR-15s havent failed. yet. (knocks on wood)

I havent acutally fired my gun in the line of duty, but I hope i never do, I have pulled my gun often.

 

[moellermd]

Just as another thought. If a guy wanted a slimmer gun to carry every day a 1911 in some configuration might be in order.

No matter what a guy buys he wants to spend the extra money for Night Sites.

 

[BleuBijou]

Personally, don't care for the night sights. How many of you have shot at night? Try it! After the first shot you won't see anything anyway. Most confrontations are up and personal, so practice just pointing the gun at a 11 by 11 target. You will be amazed at how many rounds you can put in that target. I would rather spend the money elsewhere. Moellermd, how does your wife make you go to such nice places??? Mine just makes me mow or shovel snow!!!:cheers:

 

[birdman652001]

Personally, don't care for the night sights. How many of you have shot at night? Try it! After the first shot you won't see anything anyway. Most confrontations are up and personal, so practice just pointing the gun at a 11 by 11 target. You will be amazed at how many rounds you can put in that target. I would rather spend the money elsewhere.

My gun has a trjion sights. I work nights, I do need them, but they act as a white dot during the day. You can get the gun this way. White dots still show even at night. i dont think the average joe needs night sights anyways....

Just as another thought. If a guy wanted a slimmer gun to carry every day a 1911 in some configuration might be in order.

No matter what a guy buys he wants to spend the extra money for Night Sites.

yah a 1911 isnt gonna quite be the gun to carry bc it may be SLIMMER, but it is sure heavy and bulky gun. .45 is an overkill really.

say you had a perp break in.. comes in your room, stands 3 feet from you, and you fire that 1911, that bullet wont stop in the perp and will carry the bullet to the next room say where your kids sleep in... you want stopping power... and hopefully stops the bullet in the perp.... no need having the bullet to hit more than one target.

 

[moellermd]

My gun has a trjion sights. I work nights, I do need them, but they act as a white dot during the day. You can get the gun this way. White dots still show even at night. i dont think the average joe needs night sights anyways....

I guess I would disagree. Night sites make for much quicker site acquisition. If you are going to carry you should now how to use the tools available. If LEO are using them there is a reason for it.

yah a 1911 isnt gonna quite be the gun to carry bc it may be SLIMMER, but it is sure heavy and bulky gun. .45 is an overkill really.

I guess that comes down to personal preference. I will trade slim for 3 oz of weight. But I can see your point.

say you had a perp break in.. comes in your room, stands 3 feet from you, and you fire that 1911, that bullet wont stop in the perp and will carry the bullet to the next room say where your kids sleep in... you want stopping power... and hopefully stops the bullet in the perp.... no need having the bullet to hit more than one target.

An examination of FBI gelatin penetration test will show that the 9mm, 40SW, 45ACP. Have very similar depth of penetration all with in an inch. In some cases, Remington Golden Saber, the 40 has more penetration than a 45.

 

[birdman652001]

I guess I would disagree. Night sites (is spelled sights) make for much quicker site acquisition. If you are going to carry you should now how to use the tools available. If LEO are using them there is a reason for it.

I dis-agree with night sights.

I should RE Phrase that, my SIGMA 40 has the night sights. which is NOT my duty gun. My duty gun (Glock 22) does NOT have night sights, but i dont really need them bc most times, i can see the white dots in the dark.

not one of our LE officials here have Night Sights as well as i know of.

night sights is NOT gonna improve your accuracy.

when you fire a gun, the blast of the gun powder is gonna blind you temp and you aernt gonna be able to line a sight up again right off the bat.

evne in the dark, your eyes are adjusted to the dark when it is already dark, no need for night sights. even if you had night sights, the glow lights from the night sights will interfere with you trying to see your Target ahead of the gun's sight.
if you can shoot a gun without night sights and see the shadow of your gun to the target, thats what you need, not glowing lights from the night sights to improve your shooting.

night sights is another un neccessory accessory that someone is making money by selling.

 

[Chip]

Alot of my customers like night sites. I don't think it hurts your shooting ability. I guess to each his own. I personally think a Crimson Trace laser is a better add on. A little pricey, but if your buying a handgun for personal protection, price is not the most important factor. Besides target practice with a laser is alot of fun.

 

[moellermd]

night sights is another un neccessory accessory that someone is making money by selling.

They must be doing a pretty good job of marketing. El Paso County Sheriff Department and the Colorado Springs PD require night sights on duty weapons. The NRA sanctioned Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor Course I attended in 2001 also recommended them.

 

[birdman652001]

Great for those who want them.

I dont have one, our dept doesnt issue them, if they are issued in other depts, then thats what they wanted.

Im not saying they are a bad thing to have. im just taking in light if what glow lights could affect when shooting your target.

 

[moellermd]

Moellermd, how does your wife make you go to such nice places??? Mine just makes me mow or shovel snow!!!:cheers:

That was my punishment for hunting pheasants so much in the fall.

 

[Dakotazeb]

Come on guys. Lets not let this become a "pissin contest". Everyone has their opinion and we don't always agree, but that's fine.

I've gotten a lot of good advice from this thread and that was the intent. What I do with it is my business. Whether you guys want night sights on your gun is a personal preference. Let it go at that. Okay?

I do thank everyone for their input. :cheers: