I would agree that you should be draw and fire in in 1-2 sec. That type of speed is often required on most LE quals. The problem is when you add reaction time and the 2 sec to fire the threat can cover that amount of ground.
This is what we would do for a demo.
Shooter stands at the firing line. Weapon holstered in an interview stance.
Another person, the runner, stands behind him facing the other way.
Runner places his hand on the shooters shoulder.
When runner starts to run away from the shooter his hand comes off his shoulder.
Shooter draws and fires.
Try this sometime at the range and I think you will find that by the time the shooter fires an accurate shot, usually only one needed, that the runner will have covered 20ft easily.
You are correct that a threat needs to be posed before drawing your weapon. What I think Onpoint was saying is that if an assailant is brandishing a weapon and is standing 20ft away you need to be at the high ready.
when a perp comes running at you... are you gonna stand still and try to draw your gun? NO... you move back as much as you can and draw your gun at the same time. this will still give you the distance but not as much as it was before but at least youre moving. when someone runs after you with a knife, you are to keep moving around til you have th perp down. dont just stand there trying to get the gun out and fire. take steps back while drawing. you can draw a gun in 1-2 sec and still be able to fire at hip level and still walk backwards to try to keep the distance. first of all, if you see something in his hands, i wouldnt give this guy a chance, id draw my gun and keep it on my side of my leg, and if he runs, i got the gun already in my hands. lots of traffic stops i do, my hand is already on the gun and the thumb break is already broke, no matter what, im ready even if its my own mother, dont take chances. its said that there are more officers dead from traffic stops than any other field in law enforcement.
always be ready, hand on something and flashlight in other. just because its an old lady... or old man doesnt mean anything.
your touch the back and then as soon as he lets go, draw and fire....
thats a... strange theory to present.. but i can see what you mean by that deomstration as well.
every day, LE as myself are interviewing people in less than 5 ft in most cases. I do have videos from my dash cam ( i need to load for websites ) and you can see how I approach people and when i see a threat or someone is getting upset, you can see me backing up, distance myself from them, and a verbal warning constantly to keep their hands out of their pockets or behind their body.
I wont agree on the 20 ft thing, but i doubt that someone can gain control of your gun in 20ft, ( i will bold this phrase)
ONLY IF YOURE NOT PAYING ATTENTION! then they can! if youre not careful.. this guy can stab you, shoot you with his own gun or gain your gun if youre not holstered properly. every year, we are trained twice a year on PPTC class and that is one of them to train us on. Keeping your gun out of the perp's hands and in your hands or holster. its an ON going training even for Vets! we've had alot of scuffles before.. even i had scuffles but never lost my gun to a real perp.
Ive been in LE since i turned 21 and been in LE since 2001. my first holster was a Wrap around holster. which was thrown out 4 years later when a Sioux Falls Police Officer could NOT un holster his gun in a knife fight. he got cut bad but another Officer was on the scene and shot the dude. The wrap around is a level 2 and he got the thumb break off, but the holster would NOT let go of the gun. they had to hack saw the gun out of the holster.
after awhile, they found it that the holsters were old and the screw tension got rusted that it wouldnt open again.
so then we got the SL 3.2.1 holsers and i had already purchased one before when i had the wrap around. i am comfortable with that holster that when we were using for the dept, it came to be comfort for me.
we could go on and on about this.. but i really want to see an instructor tell you what they tell me in EVERY qual, you can get your gun out in 1-2 secs even at interview stance. if you cant do that, then you're gonna lose on a 20ft stance.
seriously.
on the wife thing) Thanks for all you do on and off duty time for us folks, keeping our roads and homes safe. My best bud has to do the same thing when were hunting together in SoDak..he lives two doors down from my place and I never have to worry about our place but sometimes the timing of those calls really SUCKS!..You would already know that though.
