Where have the quail gone?

Milo and soybeans don't compete for acres milo and corn do or milo and wheat do. Soybeans are the legume that feed grain such as milo and corn are rotated to. They are also double cropped behind wheat in most areas east of the flint hills. In our area milo acres have decreased, but they have been replaced with corn not soybeans. Soybeans pretty much have the same acreage percentage in eastern Kansas that they have since the early 70's. The mid to late 90's that we all agree was the time that quail numbers started to go down hill, also corresponds to when fur prices started to tumble to virtually nil, and predator numbers in quail country exploded. I also think that fescue replacing native in many of the pastures is a big factor. We have raised soybeans on this farm for 60 years its nothing new. If soybeans were the reason for the quail decline it would have happened much earlier.
 
Milo and soybeans don't compete for acres milo and corn do or milo and wheat do. Soybeans are the legume that feed grain such as milo and corn are rotated to. They are also double cropped behind wheat in most areas east of the flint hills. In our area milo acres have decreased, but they have been replaced with corn not soybeans. Soybeans pretty much have the same acreage percentage in eastern Kansas that they have since the early 70's. The mid to late 90's that we all agree was the time that quail numbers started to go down hill, also corresponds to when fur prices started to tumble to virtually nil, and predator numbers in quail country exploded. I also think that fescue replacing native in many of the pastures is a big factor. We have raised soybeans on this farm for 60 years its nothing new. If soybeans were the reason for the quail decline it would have happened much earlier.

The quail decline started about 1972 , nobody acknowledged it or talked about it till the 1990's! Prior to that time we had school boy trappers like me, and a lot of farming was done with what we called 4 row equipment because water crossings and fields were small and irregularly shaped. beans sure did replace milo. at least in our little corner. Wheat was left in stubble, fallow rather than double cropped with beans, want to see a lot of quail, doves,mallards, or pheasants, check out a fallow or burn't wheat field. In SE Kans. Milo gave way to wheat to take advantage of the double crop. Though there is no doubt that corn replaced a lot of milo as well,especially since the RR crops. Next year we will have the first RR milo. Might increase the acres planted, but at what cost, in pestiicdes, herbicides, passes over the field. It might be better, or we might from the gamebird perspective ruin the crop. Time will tell. I knew a quail guru in Alabama years ago. He had 1200 acres, hunted everyday, never ran out of birds, or even came close, carried all kinds of varieties of lespedeza, bicolor, bush, annual, kobe. The place was alive with wild quail. Lespedeza provided overhead cover, food, open understory, escape cover. The guy carried seed in his pockets, insisted you do too! Spread by hand all over the place. Virtually no trees, ground produced no income, just quail. Disturbed about one third of the property in patches every year by burning or tilling. None of us can afford to do that, but after years of planting varieties of lespedeza, the Missouri and Kansas Wildlife agencies, now label lespedeza as noxious and undesirable. Add multiflora rose as well, I can't tell you how many years I had a covey of quail, roost under the protection of multiflora, eating the berries, in a safe haven. I realize these plants are a management issue and can be a real pain in the patoot, (that's a scientific term by the way!), but we had quail then, and we don't now. Ragweed, goldenrod, shattercane, all on the hit list, all beneficial and preffered by quail.
 
I have farmed in east central Kansas my whole life and the soybean acres as percentage of crops grown hasn't increased in my lifetime. If anything due to ethanol there are less beans and more feed grain now not less. There is less wheat planted than ever here due to the higher profitablility of row crops. That doesn't affect nesting here like it does out west, because we have plenty of waterways and big tall native grass pastures for the quail to nest in. Interestingly, I just got in from shooting my limit of quail. There was corn on one side of the fencerow with a strip of shattercane and pigweeds growing on the edge of the corn stubble. On the other side of the fence were soybeans. I shot 5 quail out of 2 coveys here and they all were full of soybeans. There was no corn or shattercane seed in any of their craws. I don't think the birds would be selecting beans over corn or shattercane if it were hurting them. The other 3 were shot in a fencerow with corn on both sides and had been eating corn. I found one covey here that had around 2 dozen birds in it so there were two broods bunched together. We raised some milo around 25 years ago before we switched to corn, and I never found any more quail around milo than beans. They do seem to prefer milo or beans over corn, I suspect the seed size is the reason. The corn is bigger and harder for them to eat. I think there are several factors causing a decline in quail, including the big spring rains we have had several years in a row until this year, native grasses being replaced by tame species, but mainly an increase in predators.
 
I have farmed in east central Kansas my whole life and the soybean acres as percentage of crops grown hasn't increased in my lifetime. If anything due to ethanol there are less beans and more feed grain now not less. There is less wheat planted than ever here due to the higher profitablility of row crops. That doesn't affect nesting here like it does out west, because we have plenty of waterways and big tall native grass pastures for the quail to nest in. Interestingly, I just got in from shooting my limit of quail. There was corn on one side of the fencerow with a strip of shattercane and pigweeds growing on the edge of the corn stubble. On the other side of the fence were soybeans. I shot 5 quail out of 2 coveys here and they all were full of soybeans. There was no corn or shattercane seed in any of their craws. I don't think the birds would be selecting beans over corn or shattercane if it were hurting them. The other 3 were shot in a fencerow with corn on both sides and had been eating corn. I found one covey here that had around 2 dozen birds in it so there were two broods bunched together. We raised some milo around 25 years ago before we switched to corn, and I never found any more quail around milo than beans. They do seem to prefer milo or beans over corn, I suspect the seed size is the reason. The corn is bigger and harder for them to eat. I think there are several factors causing a decline in quail, including the big spring rains we have had several years in a row until this year, native grasses being replaced by tame species, but mainly an increase in predators.

Look, I don't have a fight here. I am just the messenger repeating research done in multiple studies by several universities. If livestock and people cannot effectively digest raw soybeans, I presume you can at least acknowledge that, why is it such a stretch to see a correlation in quail. I have attempted to upload research but the files exceed the limits on here. A simple search, " research regarding the effects of soybean diets on bobwhite quail" will direct anyone who is interested in the subject. Rather than speculate. If you want to challenge the data, so be it. I agree that ground predators, from cotton rats, ( which we did not have 40 years ago, in SE Kans.), to raptors which have exploded in number since the North American Migratory Bird Treaty, and all the skunks, possums, and coons in between are a real problem. Fescue and brome invasion of native pastures is also an issue. Not all soybean news is bad, research in Oklahoma suggests in current time, 55% of successful nests are in July, in soybeans, after they canopy. Chicks are subject to heavy pesticide exposure, and feed on large quantities of poisoned bugs because they are AVAILABLE. This results in some neurological damage, slow growth and development. Sound familiar, a diet rich in raw soybeans according to the University of Florida causes slow growth and smaller irregular organ development. They eat the beans because they are widely AVAILABLE. Point being just because we shoot quail near beans, just because they eat beans, doesn't means that beans are the best feed, it just means that beans are AVAILABLE.
 
what is in the shattercane that pheasants and quail like? besides the cover i know they love it i kill the heck out of them in it is it some kind of grain like milo? im curious?
 
what is in the shattercane that pheasants and quail like? besides the cover i know they love it i kill the heck out of them in it is it some kind of grain like milo? im curious?

It's grain sorghum reverted to it's more basic form, volunteers the second year, seeds are sweet like cane sorghum. farmers hate it because it lodges, badly, binds up in the combine requiring surgery and sometimes a skinny helper to untangle, thats why they cut around it. Another good one is Gamma Grass, which is a native wild relative of corn.
 
Shattercane is a weed that provides excellent cover and also feed. It has seeds similar to milo only smaller. It basically looks like a big milo plant only taller and the heads will be dark black. It will get 8 to 10 feet tall and then fall down making excellent cover for quail and pheasants. We have lots of it growing around the edges of our fields and in the corners where the sprayer boom doesn't reach. It originally came in milo seed as it is almost impossible for the seed companies to get it all out of it.
 
I find it interesting that some of you feel that you find more quail around beans, than milo. I have found that it is the other way around, and not really close. Milo having many more quail around it than beans. In fact I don't bother to hunt around beans for the most part.

I would rank them: (assuming there is some cover around)
Milo
Wheat
corn
beans

May have to make some passes around the beans and see what I see.
 
thanks old and new and phez killer i knew what it looked like when i see it thats an automatic you better get to it i just wasnt sure what kind of feed it was i love that stuff that and fireweed are my favorite stuff to hunt always birds in it
 
SetterNut- if you've been avoiding beans in the Eastern part of the state perhaps you've really been missing out- but many of those bean fields are notorious for cockle burrs- so I can see your point

for some 20 years arround Scranton I would focus on beans- not so hard to check what the quail were eating regularly
 
SetterNut- if you've been avoiding beans in the Eastern part of the state perhaps you've really been missing out- but many of those bean fields are notorious for cockle burrs- so I can see your point

for some 20 years arround Scranton I would focus on beans- not so hard to check what the quail were eating regularly

I just have found birds in other places more than around beans.
 
I just have found birds in other places more than around beans.

nothing wrong with hunting where you always find them
was sort of nice for me- couple farms had big bean fields- course there was milo and corn- in the good ole days 4-8 coveys could be found hanging in and arround the bean fields-

haven't been there for some 8 years- things could have changed
 
Lots of good info being shared here which is great. While there seems to be a myriad of issues or threats to quail and their decline, there seems to be few answers, other then the standard "habitat loss" which I believe is probably the number one issue. However, one has to wonder if the powers that be use the habitat argument to appease those who might offer resistance if things like predator control, herbicide overuse and other negative farming practices were cited as major contributing factors to the quails decline? Its obviously a complicated issue thats going to have complicated solutions but its an issue that we cant turn our back on. We can only do what we can afford to do and what we know is right. I know that I'm changing my bean planting for the future and will replace them with winter or austrian peas and milo instead and lots of lespedeza.
 
Lots of good info being shared here which is great. While there seems to be a myriad of issues or threats to quail and their decline, there seems to be few answers, other then the standard "habitat loss" which I believe is probably the number one issue. However, one has to wonder if the powers that be use the habitat argument to appease those who might offer resistance if things like predator control, herbicide overuse and other negative farming practices were cited as major contributing factors to the quails decline? Its obviously a complicated issue thats going to have complicated solutions but its an issue that we cant turn our back on. We can only do what we can afford to do and what we know is right. I know that I'm changing my bean planting for the future and will replace them with winter or austrian peas and milo instead and lots of lespedeza.

Jaytee, is there a market for austrian peas, in your area, besides the turkey and whitetails?
 
One topic that keeps hounding me about the quail decline is the “diminishing habitat” topic that keeps getting frontline attention from most quail studies! Of course there is a whole host of other key issues that have been included in these reports, BUT Habitat ranks number one.

Now if you look at most of these reports/ studies, the authors normally outline that the lack of habitat from clean farming practices appear to be one of the leading causes. If I look at Oklahoma 99% of the land is privately owned. However, the remaining 1% of land that is being managed by biologists, wildlife experts and managers have had little or no success increasing quail numbers. It seems that even on these state or government owned lands, where little to no farming operations occur, the quail decline still presents a major problem.

If salaried wildlife personnel cannot successfully increase quail numbers on government owned lands, how can we expect private owners too have any success?

I'm hoping maybe Prarrie Drifter would be willing to enlighten me.
 
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