UPH gun dog challenge

how about a venue half way for everyone and a potluck sounds great I agree alot of good food has come from potlucks are we talking more of a 1 day event or a 2 day event with the finals bieng held on the second day
 
1st day- 2 fields
flushers without shock collars-
flushers with shock collars
pointers without shock collars-
pointers with shock collars

2nd day- top 4 in each class go head to head

noon on second day- top flusher without shock collar head to head with top pointer without shock collar

top flusher with shock collar head to head with top pointer with shock collar

think it'd be interesting and fun to see flusher and pointer head to head in a timed event, shots fired, retrieves, and then top in each class flusher vs pointer as in the finals

you really can't judge handling if shock collars are worn-

like that- I'd come- wouldn't care to come and run in a shock collar class

actually- some have pointers that will flush- some have flushers that will hold a bird- so- a flushing dog that stands a bird and a pointer that flushes- what group would those fit in
 
that would b the luck of the draw if your flusher will hold a bird then you should enter it into the pointing class
 
moellermd said:
No whistles. If guys have whistles I won't come.
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I like it moe, no voice or hand signals either. If the dogs can't hunt the whole field with no directions I'm out.:D
 
why not we arent running the dogs at the same time or even in the same field i think your dogs would b fine
 
Gove County Britts said:
why not we arent running the dogs at the same time or even in the same field i think your dogs would b fine
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A true gun dog should be like your spouse, only better, and know every intimate detail of your hunting process. A dog that needs direction is truly not a well trained dog. If my dog can't look into my eyes and see that I am stopping to take a piss in 5 mins and plan his hunting route accordingly than I have not done a good enough job as a trainer.
 
Shadow said:
1st day- 2 fields
flushers without shock collars-
flushers with shock collars
pointers without shock collars-
pointers with shock collars

2nd day- top 4 in each class go head to head

noon on second day- top flusher without shock collar head to head with top pointer without shock collar

top flusher with shock collar head to head with top pointer with shock collar

think it'd be interesting and fun to see flusher and pointer head to head in a timed event, shots fired, retrieves, and then top in each class flusher vs pointer as in the finals

you really can't judge handling if shock collars are worn-

like that- I'd come- wouldn't care to come and run in a shock collar class

actually- some have pointers that will flush- some have flushers that will hold a bird- so- a flushing dog that stands a bird and a pointer that flushes- what group would those fit in
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This just complicates the whole thing, You may not come, But I believe no one will come for this.

It will be one run for each dog. It will be 2 classes, with a possible youth class. It will alow collars , but may have a slight penalty for that, just to even it up for those that feel they are at a disadvantage for not using a collar.
You can't put flushing dogs in a pointing class head to head in a timed event, flushing dogs will win out every time. they simply put birds up faster just because of the thing called the "flush". This has been tried several times at preserves here at chucker challanges, and flushers won every time. They now have 2 divisions..
Handeling is not judged, we won't have good judges, thats why it will be basic tasks. We are not judging use of wind, finds and handeling. Who is qualified? me, maybe, but I want to join in. The dogs must complete simple tasks.... We all can see to it that that is done. If you have a dog that handels better, finds birds better, uses the wind better, you will win.
 
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Too Many Rules!!

Aren't there plenty of field trials for people who love lots of formal rules? The original appeal of this thing for me was it would have minimal rules. Now people in the forum are wanting more and more rules for this thing -- no whistles, no collars, no hand signals, etc. -- everything I do while actually hunting. If it's going to be akin to a formal field trial, count me out. But if the emphasis is on fun and camaraderie with little regard for rules, I'm in and hereby volunteer for the bird cleaning committee.
 
BritChaser said:
Aren't there plenty of field trials for people who love lots of formal rules? The original appeal of this thing for me was it would have minimal rules. Now people in the forum are wanting more and more rules for this thing -- no whistles, no collars, no hand signals, etc. -- everything I do while actually hunting. If it's going to be akin to a formal field trial, count me out. But if the emphasis is on fun and camaraderie with little regard for rules, I'm in and hereby volunteer for the bird cleaning committee.
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Yes they were kidding,

Trust me it will be as simple as it gets. It will have very few rules, just enough to declare a winner. Your exactly right, if we want we can go to our respected trials. I am going to one this weekend, I am the chairman in fact. This is just for us to get together and have fun, and add bragging rights for a few. It is in no way to declare a dog a field champion or such.
But we have tried to have a uph hunt and that did not pan out. Too much land needed and where would we all hunt?. This way we will be able to show up at one place, see all the dogs and people and have a good time. At least the ones that show up. Once rules are up, a place is determined, the laws looked at, and a cost. We can see if there will be enough to chime in and say lets do it or not. If there is enough interest, we will go forward. If not, we will bury this thread.

PS happy to have you Kansas Boys handle the BBQ thing.:thumbsup: It don't git better then KS.
 
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FCSpringer said:
Yes they were kidding,

Trust me it will be as simple as it gets. It will have very few rules, just enough to declare a winner. Your exactly right, if we want we can go to our respected trials. I am going to one this weekend, I am the chairman in fact. This is just for us to get together and have fun, and add bragging rights for a few. It is in no way to declare a dog a field champion or such.
But we have tried to have a uph hunt and that did not pan out. Too much land needed and where would we all hunt?. This way we will be able to show up at one place, see all the dogs and people and have a good time. At least the ones that show up. Once rules are up, a place is determined, the laws looked at, and a cost. We can see if there will be enough to chime in and say lets do it or not. If there is enough interest, we will go forward. If not, we will bury this thread.

PS happy to have you Kansas Boys handle the BBQ thing.:thumbsup: It don't git better then KS.
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Depending on what time of the year it is I am in, I am also willing to help setup field trial areas, this will be more of a learning experience for me and my dogs than a competition, also can be the official food / beverage tester. :thumbsup:
 
Okay all you funny guys. Time to stop the kidding around and get serious about a UPH Gun Dog Challenge.

I'm hearing a lot of you saying you don't want a bunch of rules. I agree that they should be held to a minimum. However, without some rules and regulations the event could get out of hand. There has to be some structure. I think we can come up with a good balance. Have some rules and still have a fun and enjoyable event for everyone.

I told FC that it isn't necessary to reinvent the wheel. Thus, I've taken some BDC rules and scaled them down to something that I feel would be acceptable to most everyone. Look, we aren't all going to agree 100% so some of us may have to compromise a little.

Once we get a final draft of the rules we can get them posted here.
 
I have been involved with a low key competition for threeyears now. We play for trophys only 1, 2,3 place for the day held once a month. Our rules go 10 points for a find (point- flush) 10 PTS. for unused shell you have a set amount you go out with. 10 pts for the retrieve to hand. 5 pts for a partial retrieve meaning you moved your feet to help the the dog make the retrieve. 10 pts for birds in the bag. The time is what ever you want it tobe .Say its 15 min. We go 60 pts for each remaining min and 1 pt. for each remaining sec.Pointer get a 10 pt deduction if the trap a bird flushing dogs do not get penalized It is best to run to different div. but the the division can be run in the same field. Dogs in heat must run at the end of day.I hope this help imin if not to far away
 
STARJACK, that's kind of the track I'm on except not so many points for the time remaining. That puts more emphasis on the dog work and shooting ability of the hunter.

Here's the scoring I'm thinking of:

Birds in the Bag: 25 pts.
Find or Qualified Point: 15 pts.
Full Retrieve: 15 pts.
Partial Retrieve: 5 pts.
Shells Remaining: 10 pts. per shell
Minutes Remaining: 3 pts. per minute

20 minute time limit, 3 birds and 6 shells.

The above is very similar to the National Upland Classic Series.
 
Agree but would like to see second included just for the sake of ties also i found keep the math as simple as can be that iswhy we went to tens after a long day every buddy gets tired. also a run order should be set up . I draw card . You could the day of the event or they could call in and have it all set up when they get there. You should really have boundries pvc pipes work great. Dog can go out of bounds but hunter can not. Remeber those phesant like to run. I like what your thinking but there has to be guide line . I found out less is more .
 
I think we are now on to something. One thing, we do have plenty of time, so we will work it out. I like your concepts. I am thinking the 1st or 2nd weekend in May give or take. That is when all our trials are over. How about the rest of ya?
 
STARJACK, seconds are kept and used to break ties.

FC, our NSTRA trials in the Mid-North Region run from late March to June 1st. The dates for next spring have not decided so it's tough to tell right now.
 
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