Gove County Britts
New member
yea right and I suppose accidents never happen and if you say no your full of it
UPH gun dog challenge
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greatlawn
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I just put on an event like you are talking about for PF. The event was a absolute blast. I have a copy of the rules if anyone is interested. We made it interesting we had 1 each Pheasant,Quail, and Chukar. It looks like it will be a yearly or bi-yearly event. It was all for fun and bragging rights plus we made a little for PF.
Jeff
Jeff
FCSpringer
Moderator
Absolutley want to hear wha anyone wants to in put. Post the rules . Any one have an Idea of a local? or want to host. ? I Think Zeb has some ideas we can entertain as well.
Shadow
Banned
Shadow
Banned
sounds like you feel anyone who doesn't have a shock collar on all the time is a bad person- what's the deal with unfamiliar areas-
some don't consider a dog good that needs a shock collar on all the time
doesn't mean they are afraid to go to areas they aren't familiar with it
FCSpringer
Moderator
Well thats a rule we all could decide on. But, you want most every one to come, so if it makes the day go smoother with dogs not running all over, that might be the way to go. Possibly a slight penalty or handi cap for the dogs that run with a collar. Just don't want to see some dogs take off and waste a good portion of the day. Just a thought. You know if we all get some ideas comin, I think we could pull this off with the interest we have.
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Shadow
Banned
running all over the state- that seems a bit heavy
I'll admit- 40 acreas isn't too big- but really- if one can't keep a dog in then he shouldn't run-
why not just have a fun training day- everybody pitch in for the cost of birds- everybody bring something like food/drinks- have a place to camp or park RV
you might just see some real hotshot dogs
second day- those that wanted to compete head to head have at it- names in a hat- pulled out- that's the two that run- if there are those that need to run with shock collars let them be in a seperate drawing
no whining crying
I'll admit- 40 acreas isn't too big- but really- if one can't keep a dog in then he shouldn't run-
why not just have a fun training day- everybody pitch in for the cost of birds- everybody bring something like food/drinks- have a place to camp or park RV
you might just see some real hotshot dogs
second day- those that wanted to compete head to head have at it- names in a hat- pulled out- that's the two that run- if there are those that need to run with shock collars let them be in a seperate drawing
no whining crying
kansasbrittany
Banned
Whoa....I hope our meet and greet in Dodge doesn't become this difficult
Who cares if a guy brings a dog w/ a collar? Is this for some sort of large jackpot or national breeder's title?
If anyone ever wants to put something similar and SIMPLE together where everyone shows up wearing what they want to, count me in if it is "centrally" located in a place like NE or IA. If people want to have their dogs on shock collars, cords, pulling sleighs.......it doesn't matter to me. I doubt a huge # of people would be willing/able to show up anyway.
FCSpringer,
Don't you live on the S side of MN?
kansasbrittany
Banned
Wisdom and foresight on display for us here folks.
I'm not into the formal thing either and there's not much need for rules (except safety) if nobody has anything at stake really.
We show up, run our dogs, and socialize. I'm not interested in a my d!*k is bigger than yours contest. Those of you that go to the fullest extent to train your dogs, congratulations and I'm glad it is working for you. I'm not afraid to admit that my dogs aren't perfect all the time and become somewhat unpredictable when there are birds and people everywhere and in new places.
tmrichardson
Banned
Just a suggestion for ya guys...I might think it to be near impossible to set up a doggie game that works for all the different types of dogs. Even within a particular style--say pointing dogs--you'll have some dogs who are expected to stay steady right through a verbal release where others are fine to break at the flush. Pretty soon you end up penalizing dogs who are just doing what they were trained to do, and get owners feelings rankled along the way. And what you are describing penalizes dogs if their owners miss a shot...I know some doggie games are like that but many are not and some people want nothing to do with them. Then you've got people who will not run their dogs trained to one level with dogs trained to another for fear their dogs will develop bad habits.
Why not keep the competition to good-natured shooting games using clay birds--and if you are going to work birds with dogs, just try to have some fun with that, no rules? Or maybe match up dogs with their training level at least.
Why not keep the competition to good-natured shooting games using clay birds--and if you are going to work birds with dogs, just try to have some fun with that, no rules? Or maybe match up dogs with their training level at least.
c_d
New member
I've got no dog in this fight. (sorry for hte bad pun), but the last couple posts seem to be spot on. Keeping it fun seemed to be the theme from the beginning to me. What's important here? birds. dogs. guns. K.I.S.S. dog finds bird. guy shoots bird. dog retrieves bird. winner based on time and fewest shells seemed to be simple enough for me. that way it's not just on the dog. it's on the owner and their training too. no purse to win. just b.s.'ing bragging rights
Shoot, to add an extra level of fun, you could have a simple judges award - flusher guys vote to pick the pointer they'd like to hunt with most, and pointers pick a flusher they'd most like to hunt with. This dog may/may not be the fastest out there. And could possibly award a "better" dog who followed by a bad shooter
Shoot, to add an extra level of fun, you could have a simple judges award - flusher guys vote to pick the pointer they'd like to hunt with most, and pointers pick a flusher they'd most like to hunt with. This dog may/may not be the fastest out there. And could possibly award a "better" dog who followed by a bad shooter
Gove County Britts
New member
KB you hit the nail on the head safety rules are really the only ones needed other than basic guidlines as to what is happening and I second the motion on my dogs arent 100% perfect every moment of every day
greatlawn
Member
These are the rules we used for our hunt. It works out really fair because the judging is not subjective.
PHEASANT FOREVER FUN HUNT 2010
2 age groups 0-2 years and 2- up
Each Team: consists of one dog, two hunters, seven total shells. Hunters must wear orange caps & vests. One or both hunters may carry guns; shells may be distributed/re-distributed as the hunters see fit. All participants must wear HUNTER ORANGE.
Point System:
□ 100 points per pointed Pheasant,75 per Chuckar, and 50 per quail
□ 100 points per harvested bird put into the "game bag" or carried. (See Miscellaneous Notes: a "safety call" is as good as a bird in the bag.)
□ 100 or 50 points per bird (whether shot or not) retrieved (see Miscellaneous Notes). The number of retrieves exactly to hand is the first tie breaker.
□ 20 points per unused shell (second tie breaker).
Penalty Points:
□ Running in the field: 1st time warning, then -50 points per occurrence.
□ Shooting birds not on wing (unless authorized by the judge to dispatch crippled birds): no credit for harvested bird, - 100 points for each occurrence.
Any safety violation or unsafe act (as determined by the Judge): - 100 points
Timed/Point Event: teams have 30 minutes in the bird field, the team with the most points wins.
□ Awards: Rosettes for Top dog pointing and flushing division There will be for the first occurrence, disqualification for any occurrence thereafter.
Miscellaneous Notes:
The Competition's running order will be determined by random drawing from the Primary Competitors' List. If Standby List competitors are activated to fill a Primary List withdrawal or scratch after the running order is determined, substitutes will be used in the order they were entered on the Standby List. The substitute(s) will take the place within the running order of the drop-out so as not to cause a new drawing. If a competitor is allowed to run more than one dog, brace adjustments will be made to preclude simultaneous or back to back braces for the competitor. Running start times will be announced by e-mail. Female dogs â??in seasonâ?� will be force slotted from the last brace forward to preclude contaminating the bird field with their scent.
For each call of â??safetyâ?�; full credit will be given for one harvested bird. The bird may not be hunted again for 5 minutes if it remains in the Competition area. One shell will be taken away by the Judge and counted as expended for each "safety" called.
Teams must report to the scorerâ??s table NLT 15 minutes prior to their posted start time for safety briefing. â??On deckâ?� teams must be in the â??blindâ?� at the beginning of bird planting.
All teams start at the same point for their bird field, regardless of wind direction or personal preference.
Official time begins when the Team is instructed to release the dog after firearms are loaded. The running time ends when the judge calls "TIME" at the end of 30 minutes. If the dog is on point when "TIME" is called, the Team is credited for the point, but cannot harvest the bird(s) after time is stopped. When "TIME" is called, dogs must be leashed and removed from the field. Unless accident, injury or extenuating circumstances (i.e. heat sickness/exhaustion) precludes the Team from completing the full 30 minutes, the Team is expected to work in the field for the full time (emphasizing strength and stamina of the dog). There are no points awarded for turning in "unused time".
This is a fun event focused on the dogs and a safe hunting experience. This event focuses on dog training, therefore training devices (check cords, electronic collars, etc) may be used. If competitors feel a scoring error has been made, they must submit a written â??protestâ?� at the Scorerâ??s Table immediately after leaving the field. The Scorer and Field Marshall will make a final decision before the next team enters the Competition area.
Ties will be broken in the following sequenced manner if two or more teams have the same number of points: (1) the dog with the most retrieves exactly to hand wins (thus stressing full hunting dog performance); (2) the team with the most unused shells wins (thus stressing marksmanship); (3) the team going into the field earliest in the running order (the presumption is there are fewer birds available in the field for the earlier brace), (4) if all elements are the same, the tie will be broken with a coin toss.
Competitors must clean up after dogs and bird cleaning in the holding area. Trash cans/bags are available. Designated parking area is marked.
Spectators Will not be allowed on the course.
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SPRING 2010 HUNTING DOG COMPETITION SCORE CARD
TEAM #_______ NAMES: ______________ & ______________ DOG_________
(+) # PHEASANTS POINTED/FLUSHED ____ (x 100) = ________
# CHUCKAR POINTED/FLUSHED ____ (x 75) = ________
# QUAIL POINTED/FLUSHED ____ (x 50) = ________
# BIRDS HARVESTED ____ (x 100) = ________
# BIRDS RETRIEVED TO HAND ____ (x 100) = ________
# BIRDS RETRIEVED TO WITHIN 2 STEPS ____ (x 50) = ________
# UNUSED SHELLS TURNED IN ____ (x 20) = ________
(-) # SAFETY VIOLATIONS ____ (x-100) = ________
SHOOTING BIRDS NOT ON WING ____ (x-100) = ________
RUNNING IN FIELD (1ST time warning) ____ (x â??50) = ________
TOTAL POINTS _______
PHEASANT FOREVER FUN HUNT 2010
2 age groups 0-2 years and 2- up
Each Team: consists of one dog, two hunters, seven total shells. Hunters must wear orange caps & vests. One or both hunters may carry guns; shells may be distributed/re-distributed as the hunters see fit. All participants must wear HUNTER ORANGE.
Point System:
□ 100 points per pointed Pheasant,75 per Chuckar, and 50 per quail
□ 100 points per harvested bird put into the "game bag" or carried. (See Miscellaneous Notes: a "safety call" is as good as a bird in the bag.)
□ 100 or 50 points per bird (whether shot or not) retrieved (see Miscellaneous Notes). The number of retrieves exactly to hand is the first tie breaker.
□ 20 points per unused shell (second tie breaker).
Penalty Points:
□ Running in the field: 1st time warning, then -50 points per occurrence.
□ Shooting birds not on wing (unless authorized by the judge to dispatch crippled birds): no credit for harvested bird, - 100 points for each occurrence.
Any safety violation or unsafe act (as determined by the Judge): - 100 points
Timed/Point Event: teams have 30 minutes in the bird field, the team with the most points wins.
□ Awards: Rosettes for Top dog pointing and flushing division There will be for the first occurrence, disqualification for any occurrence thereafter.
Miscellaneous Notes:
The Competition's running order will be determined by random drawing from the Primary Competitors' List. If Standby List competitors are activated to fill a Primary List withdrawal or scratch after the running order is determined, substitutes will be used in the order they were entered on the Standby List. The substitute(s) will take the place within the running order of the drop-out so as not to cause a new drawing. If a competitor is allowed to run more than one dog, brace adjustments will be made to preclude simultaneous or back to back braces for the competitor. Running start times will be announced by e-mail. Female dogs â??in seasonâ?� will be force slotted from the last brace forward to preclude contaminating the bird field with their scent.
For each call of â??safetyâ?�; full credit will be given for one harvested bird. The bird may not be hunted again for 5 minutes if it remains in the Competition area. One shell will be taken away by the Judge and counted as expended for each "safety" called.
Teams must report to the scorerâ??s table NLT 15 minutes prior to their posted start time for safety briefing. â??On deckâ?� teams must be in the â??blindâ?� at the beginning of bird planting.
All teams start at the same point for their bird field, regardless of wind direction or personal preference.
Official time begins when the Team is instructed to release the dog after firearms are loaded. The running time ends when the judge calls "TIME" at the end of 30 minutes. If the dog is on point when "TIME" is called, the Team is credited for the point, but cannot harvest the bird(s) after time is stopped. When "TIME" is called, dogs must be leashed and removed from the field. Unless accident, injury or extenuating circumstances (i.e. heat sickness/exhaustion) precludes the Team from completing the full 30 minutes, the Team is expected to work in the field for the full time (emphasizing strength and stamina of the dog). There are no points awarded for turning in "unused time".
This is a fun event focused on the dogs and a safe hunting experience. This event focuses on dog training, therefore training devices (check cords, electronic collars, etc) may be used. If competitors feel a scoring error has been made, they must submit a written â??protestâ?� at the Scorerâ??s Table immediately after leaving the field. The Scorer and Field Marshall will make a final decision before the next team enters the Competition area.
Ties will be broken in the following sequenced manner if two or more teams have the same number of points: (1) the dog with the most retrieves exactly to hand wins (thus stressing full hunting dog performance); (2) the team with the most unused shells wins (thus stressing marksmanship); (3) the team going into the field earliest in the running order (the presumption is there are fewer birds available in the field for the earlier brace), (4) if all elements are the same, the tie will be broken with a coin toss.
Competitors must clean up after dogs and bird cleaning in the holding area. Trash cans/bags are available. Designated parking area is marked.
Spectators Will not be allowed on the course.
________________________________________________________________________
SPRING 2010 HUNTING DOG COMPETITION SCORE CARD
TEAM #_______ NAMES: ______________ & ______________ DOG_________
(+) # PHEASANTS POINTED/FLUSHED ____ (x 100) = ________
# CHUCKAR POINTED/FLUSHED ____ (x 75) = ________
# QUAIL POINTED/FLUSHED ____ (x 50) = ________
# BIRDS HARVESTED ____ (x 100) = ________
# BIRDS RETRIEVED TO HAND ____ (x 100) = ________
# BIRDS RETRIEVED TO WITHIN 2 STEPS ____ (x 50) = ________
# UNUSED SHELLS TURNED IN ____ (x 20) = ________
(-) # SAFETY VIOLATIONS ____ (x-100) = ________
SHOOTING BIRDS NOT ON WING ____ (x-100) = ________
RUNNING IN FIELD (1ST time warning) ____ (x â??50) = ________
TOTAL POINTS _______
FCSpringer
Moderator
Whoa....I hope our meet and greet in Dodge doesn't become this difficult
Who cares if a guy brings a dog w/ a collar? Is this for some sort of large jackpot or national breeder's title?
If anyone ever wants to put something similar and SIMPLE together where everyone shows up wearing what they want to, count me in if it is "centrally" located in a place like NE or IA. If people want to have their dogs on shock collars, cords, pulling sleighs.......it doesn't matter to me. I doubt a huge # of people would be willing/able to show up anyway.
FCSpringer,
Don't you live on the S side of MN?
No 4 hrs nth, but I will travel. I think it will be a blast when we get the details ironed out.:thumbsup:
Gove County Britts
New member
I may be able to get some ground for this event depending on how we plan on doing things
quail hound
Moderator
This a great idea guys, but the thread is called "uph gun dog challenge" not "uph field trials". Ken I like your relaxed attitude, but some of the pointer guys seem a little up tight. Everyone holds their "gun dog" to different standards. You guys with finished dogs aren't scared of losing to a meat dog are you?
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goldeneye
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I didn't know we had to eat our dogs? I will bring my boxer then he can feed a few of us.
Sign me up i'll go.
I think it sounds like fun I have never ran a field trial before.
Could we make this a pot luck deal also? So us that don't finish real high can brag about the cook off maybe?
I make a MEAN Beam and Coke also:cheers:
FCSpringer
Moderator
Thats about the just of it. Just shut up have fun and run your dog. I will most likely lose with one steady dog because I want to keep him that way. My other dog is so fast it may not matter, but I will keep them steady any way, so if it has time involved I am at a dis advantage any way. I don't care, I will still have fun and meet a bunch of faces. OK the problem with a score card that is not basic simple things and we all take turns at judging, is. A judge of all will not be able to run, and will have to be a qualified judge. None of us are unless we took a format in place now. Keep it simple with a few minor penalty's and all take turns at making sure the dog completes its "task", instead of someone judging all with his interpretation of what he likes. Keep it simple and fun. Give away a traveling trophy of a UPH pheasant mount with the dogs name on it forever each year type deal.Get the grill going with brest strips and some good old Kansas barbecue, etc.we will figure it out if we all just stay focused on a fun competition. If we think it over and come up with a format, with some minor rules for all, along with simple penalty's for all it will be fun. But there will have to be some rules and penalty's or we will not have a winner. Don't worry about my dog is steady in a timed event. I saw a steady dog win the world BDC championship a few years ago. You never know. All that boils down to is walking in the right direction half the time and finding your birds first, because you simply walk the right direction. You can't watch where your birds get planted. We could make whoever is up next wait in the out house till his birds are down.
PS no out house tippin, I had that happen once, and it is a drag.
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Gove County Britts
New member
meat dogs against highly trained trial dogs good idea the old saying goes the sun shines on a dogs A$$ at least once a day it is anyones ballgame until the final scores are in if we are seriouse about this I will start looking for a place and prices on birds for at least one event maybe we could use three different types of birds in this event with different points for each bird and maybe for penalties they should be a small one for each mishap nothing majore just small point deductions
goldeneye
New member
We need to pick a state. I have a place we could use lots of parking for all Quite in the the woods on a lake. With lots of state land near by.
(Central MN)
we need a DNR permit to train dogs and shoot birds in MN. This takes about two weeks to get.
birds by me are Quail $4.5 Chucker $6 and Phez $10
(Central MN)
we need a DNR permit to train dogs and shoot birds in MN. This takes about two weeks to get.
birds by me are Quail $4.5 Chucker $6 and Phez $10