Pointing Dogs and Retrieving

Enough time has passed that I can now tell this story:) Mid october I had my BLM (SH) and a stray GSP. My Buddy had his BLM (2 senior passes) as well as his YLM (SH). Two of the labs work a rooster out of almost the thickest cattails ever. I knock it down but it was still pretty healthy, into the nastiest thickest cattails ever. But hey we have three titled dogs that retreived a ton of birds......... After about 10 minutes of them searching a scrawny little stray GSP keeps bumping into me. Yep he had the rooster! I may be a lab guy but that little pointer is something special.

PS That little stray has received A LOT of training and it is paying off big.
 
Radar said:
I have always had English pointers and these guys are correct they are a little less programmed to retrieve. I have seen many that retrieved anything and I had a female that would walk right past any dead bird. My 6 yr old female E. Pointer is very good at tracking and finding wounded birds but others i've had only wanted to hunt live birds but they were VERY good at it. If its going to be your first dog an EP, Brittney and a GSP female are generally easy to train and hunt. The german dogs and Brittneys are natural retrievers and generally good at finding dead birds. Good luck and have fun hunting with whatever dog you get.
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I find that EPs are easy to train to retrieve. I have 4 and they are tough as nails. They all back great as well. My 2 GSP are the same. GSP are not as stylish as EPs. One thing about the short hair dogs is they have short hair. When my buddies run there brits an ESs they have a heck of a time cleaning them up and getting burrs out. Plus my dogs beat them every time out,too slow.;)
 
Hey ZBMan, what breeder did you get Bear from? That was a great video you made.
PairOfLabs
 
Sorry for my slow response ParOfLabs..

I never got an email telling me that you replied to this post, for some reason and I just stumbled across your repsonse today.

Anyway....

I did not get Bear from a well known breeder. Bear's litter came about when two buddies were hunting in SD and, apparently, not paying close attention to their dogs and Bear's dad, Nero, (Rik's Risky Raider's son) had his way with Cloud (Bearpoint Reno's daughter).

When I bought Bear, I knew nothing about any type of dog pedigrees and I naively just bought him out of an ad in our local newspaper.

That was the day that my life changed dramatically!!

Turns out Bear has a great pedigree that includes GMPR MHR Rik's Risky Raider MH (twice), 4XGMPR HRCH Bearpoint's High Roll'n Reno SH and
4XGMPR HRCH Blackforest Bear Grits MH and 4XGMPR Bar None Snake River Otter MH QAA

In case you may be interested, here is a link to an ad for a recent litter of pups Bear just sired with a black MPR female, Molly and here are some more links of Bear hunting pheasant.

http://www.ultimatepheasanthunting.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7524

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY8ocsPNKts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBC8gID_KP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJVgADqJMZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jms2kLzJBV8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUE61AaUUjg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdMssoW4vQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqy_IgPYZO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-9SqEOL8f4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjMA3Nfp_b4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INF5MSh1YoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqItHU7cdPc


Take Care

Bob
 
Best dog I ever owned, was a Pointer/ Setter cross, I guess I should have named it a Pointsetta?
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Do these only come in red or white?
 
Wirehairs, Pudelpointers, Large and Small Munsterlander's plus most of the versitile dogs found in NAVHDA are excellent retrievers land and water as they have to pass the tests. Most of the Shorthairs are good with some varience. The English pointers are more troublesome as are Viszlas, particularly in the water.
 
Uncle Buck said:
Wirehairs, Pudelpointers, Large and Small Munsterlander's plus most of the versitile dogs found in NAVHDA are excellent retrievers land and water as they have to pass the tests. Most of the Shorthairs are good with some varience. The English pointers are more troublesome as are Viszlas, particularly in the water.
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+1


Every German Bred Versatile (DD,DK,PP) should have strong retrieving drive.


Most of todays Serious Labs that run in the ESPN SRS series events are UKC HRC tested dogs. Its a serious test that does test perception, marking ability, training etc.
And at least 1 dozen DDs have been titled in UKC HRC Retrieving tests, where Labs are most frequently seen.
1 DK is a 500 pt dog.

The reality though, is that it is a handling test, not a test of cripples or nose, where a good DD or DK would make thoese dogs look foolish.
I admire what trial Labs can do, but 400 yard blind retrieves are not what any duck hunter or phez hunter needs for 99.9% of hunting.


Every phez dog must retrieve and track dead or you Will lose cripples.
My buddys Setter will not.
I would not feed that dog or any like him.
It Points nice, but thats only half the game of taking home birds.
 
Uncle Buck said:
The English pointers are more troublesome as are Viszlas, particularly in the water.
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The last NSTRA trial I was at 2 1/2 weeks ago I saw a Vizsla refuse a water retrieve. The dog pointed a quail by the edge of a pond and the shooter dumped it in the water. There was no way that Vizsla was going in the water to make that retrieve so he got a "zero". Water retrieves in NSTRA tend to receive a higher score so he really missed out. Wish that had been me with Elle, my Brittany. She loves water retrieves and would have been all over that quail.
 
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You would think they would test for not only for water but cold water! How can you have a "WILD" Pheasant dog that cant take the cold? I guess it doesn't matter if all you hunt is pen raised.
 
You would think they would test for not only for water but cold water! How can you have a "WILD" Pheasant dog that cant take the cold? I guess it doesn't matter if all you hunt is pen raised.
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Most of the HRC tests being run, are run this month- now, and the water is cold, my guess is 40-45F.
Least here in the Midwest.

HRC has no summer tests except for Alaska, when the water is not frozen.



Navhda has most Spring testing in May, a bit warmer water, but after the nesting season is over.
 
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