BRITTMAN
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Disagree. Commercialization of the sport is a bigger problem to hunter recruitment and retention. North Dakota hunters are especially sensitive to commercial hunting operations.
Looking for a one day hunt around New England
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Disagree. Commercialization of the sport is a bigger problem to hunter recruitment and retention. North Dakota hunters are especially sensitive to commercial hunting operations.
With all due respect, commercialization of hunting is not the problem. Actually, the best chance the birds have for strong population survival is allowing farmers to further monetize the resource. Look at it from the farmer's perspective: I have two options for this quarter section. I can plant it to corn, which requires me to purchase seed and fertilizer, run my equipment on it, purchase insurance and pray for good weather and high grain prices. Or, I can put it to CRP, maybe plant some trees in ideal spots and then lease it to someone for $8-10 acre, regardless of weather and bird populations. I know this is treason among some on this board, and Pheasants Forever sure don't want to talk about leasing land, but I think we should all start trying to lease land as the best way to protect our beloved hunting day, especially in this time of diminished federal budgets and high grain prices.
this does nothing more than take more hunters out of the sport....rich man's game, economically and sportswise, we become more like socialized EU everyday......no thanks, that way of life sucks!
carptom1
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disagree. North Dakota hunters are no more sensitive to this than any other state. Large chunks of kansas are leased also. I feel that the improvements that are made to the leased land help game in all areas. By the way, reasonable trespass fees are not only for the rich. I treat it no differently than other luxuries that i have in my life. It is just another couple of vacations that i save for. By the way i am a construction mgr. for a non-profit agency, and my wife is a nurse. Hardly a rich dude. I have no problem paying a reasonable fee to hunt and let someone else do the scouting and cultivating of the land. That also is not the way that i grew up hunting. I don't want to fight the walk in in kansas or south dakota in the early season so i pay a little. I want my boys to have that early season success that i enjoyed as a youth. Hell even when i was a youngster in the early seventies, a large group of us would hunt in western kansas. We would stay and hunt with a farmer. We paid him 75.00 a head for lodging and a trespass fee. This is not a new thing, it is just done a little differently now.
BRITTMAN
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Do not know all that much about Kansas. Hunted Kansas one time. We drove down and hunted 2 days in April and came home with 3 nice Toms. Should have had 4, I did not miss my second bird
All our hunting was on Kansas WIHA. Actually saw quite a few pheasants and a few quail. We talked about coming back that fall, but alas we did not.From what I can see on the net though, the problems with leasing in ND are small and isolated compared to the issues in Kansas. Thank god, ND has not become that mess.
Do not know all that much about Kansas. Hunted Kansas one time. We drove down and hunted 2 days in April and came home with 3 nice Toms. Should have had 4, I did not miss my second bird
From what I can see on the net though, the problems with leasing in ND are small and isolated compared to the issues in Kansas. Thank god, ND has not become that mess.
yet.................
henhenROOSTER!!!
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Oh Gawd, we're going round & round in circles again...There is room for ALL types (paid & non) in pheasant hunting guys & there is good reason all those roosters are around for everyone particularly in southwest ND, throughout SD & many other sweet-spots across pheasantdom - I'll leave it to the rocket scientists to figure it out! :cheers:
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kansasbrittany
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Brittman is much like Shadow. He makes these comments regularly. My guess is he wouldn't have delivered it this way in person. Either that or he has an iron-jaw. Maybe he thinks he's funny?
kansasbrittany
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kansasbrittany
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I too apologize for the "elitists" around here. They truly are "holier" than the rest of us. Go to NoDak outdoors.com some time and see the "culture" around there. You'll also see that their pheasant forum is DEAD b/c of responses like the ones you're getting. I hope they go away before guys like you:thumbsup:
Best of luck to you dvmweb! I'm gonna pay for some access this season too. In fact, I'll do so with pride knowing that my $ will provide incentive for that land owner to keep his land in CRP next season.
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wesslpointer
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I feel you need BOTH public & privet for pheasant hunting to survive. ND needs to look at its trespass laws. Large land owners clam ownership to the middle of road, plus crops grown in right of ways, use the road to get there crops to markit, get med services to them, as well as police. But every one "sportsman" pays for the building and maintenance of these roads. I think a lot of the discontent would go away if they changed there right of ways laws to be like SD. The small towns and other mom and pop would benefit as right know most of the money from hunting is going to the "big hunting outfits" as they control both hunting and logeing in the New England area at least. Any Ideas?
I feel you need BOTH public & privet for pheasant hunting to survive. ND needs to look at its trespass laws. Large land owners clam ownership to the middle of road, plus crops grown in right of ways, use the road to get there crops to markit, get med services to them, as well as police. But every one "sportsman" pays for the building and maintenance of these roads. I think a lot of the discontent would go away if they changed there right of ways laws to be like SD. The small towns and other mom and pop would benefit as right know most of the money from hunting is going to the "big hunting outfits" as they control both hunting and logeing in the New England area at least. Any Ideas?
Yes, they are. Typically brit owners too
Ahh yes, a bar room 'tough guy'...how refined. Amazingly, not everyone needs to hang out in a BAR (or even consume alcohol) to enjoy life. After growing up around the bar my family owned, I quickly learned that the 'intellectual' crowd (who frequents these joints) was something I would enjoy avoiding. Your continued references to physical violence speaks volumes regarding your "personality".
henhenROOSTER!!!
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PEACE OUT on this particular thread dudes, it's hopeless!!! Except for my one & only suggestion (& I'm quite sure that there are several other options available in the New England area), it seems there has been any-&-every-thing but a straitforward answer to the original poster's simple question. I do not recall him anywhere asking for everybody's opinion of whether he should pay to hunt or not??? Way to hijack a man's thread & turn it upside down on his head...All this cacophony doesn't exactly shine the friendliest or best of light on UPH for a newbie or passing visitor.
Why on earth other than jealousy or possessiveness would anyone begrudge a man who says he would like to spend some of his own hard-earned money however he chooses for access to a first-time (& perhaps one-time only) "cloud of pheasants" experience as an out-of-stater who is simply not privileged with the option of what some of you seem to hoard & gloat over or take for granted???
Like I said, I have also noticed quite clearly that the "matter-of-principle" at hand hasn't bothered a single one of the anti-pay-to-hunt howlers or preachers enough to step forward & say, "Hey dude you don't have to do that. Come on up & I'll show you a cloud or two of pheasants free-of-charge alongside me!" And yet somehow you manage to see yourselves as totally different from all those bad, mean "greedy landowners"...
Yeah, I know the type well! Southwest ND was not very friendly to me at all on my first pheasant-hunting excursion as an outsider knocking on doors to gain free-access & I also got an earful about it from a lot of sw ND landowners (not just the pay-to-hunt operations) as to why - they told me that yrs of constant abuse & being run over roughshod specifically by the LOCAL/RESIDENT entitlement crew is exactly the reason they no longer up their land to anyone!
Thank God I was finally able to win over a few of them & get to know some incredibly fine ND folks with continued access to hunt their land to this day, both paid & non! Good Day Gents... :cheers:
Except for my one & only suggestion (& I'm quite sure that there are several other options available in the New England area), it seems there has been any-&-every-thing but a straitforward answer to the original poster's simple question. I do not recall him anywhere asking for everybody's opinion of whether he should pay to hunt or not??? Way to hijack a man's thread & turn it upside down on his head...All this cacophony doesn't exactly shine the friendliest or best of light on UPH for a newbie or passing visitor.Why on earth other than jealousy or possessiveness would anyone begrudge a man who says he would like to spend some of his own hard-earned money however he chooses for access to a first-time (& perhaps one-time only) "cloud of pheasants" experience as an out-of-stater who is simply not privileged with the option of what some of you seem to hoard & gloat over or take for granted???
Like I said, I have also noticed quite clearly that the "matter-of-principle" at hand hasn't bothered a single one of the anti-pay-to-hunt howlers or preachers enough to step forward & say, "Hey dude you don't have to do that. Come on up & I'll show you a cloud or two of pheasants free-of-charge alongside me!" And yet somehow you manage to see yourselves as totally different from all those bad, mean "greedy landowners"...
Yeah, I know the type well! Southwest ND was not very friendly to me at all on my first pheasant-hunting excursion as an outsider knocking on doors to gain free-access & I also got an earful about it from a lot of sw ND landowners (not just the pay-to-hunt operations) as to why - they told me that yrs of constant abuse & being run over roughshod specifically by the LOCAL/RESIDENT entitlement crew is exactly the reason they no longer up their land to anyone!
Thank God I was finally able to win over a few of them & get to know some incredibly fine ND folks with continued access to hunt their land to this day, both paid & non! Good Day Gents... :cheers:
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kansasbrittany
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Right, you'd be hard pressed to catch me in a bar there bagman. In fact, I don't go there b/c I don't care for the tough-guy type; I'm a rather peaceful person. I prefer to walk away from jerks. I've spent enough time in one to know that guys don't talk to each other this way for long w/o some action....simply an observation, nothing more/less. I imagine these guys (if they visit) end up rolling around on the ground by the end of the night b/c they just can't say anything nice. You are my zero bagman
This isn't the first time you've taken one of my posts out of context and I suspect it won't be the last. I wasn't making threats; pls don't turn it into something it is not.
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kansasbrittany
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PEACE OUT on this particular thread dudes, it's hopeless!!!
Why on earth other than jealousy or possessiveness would anyone begrudge a man who says he would like to spend some of his own hard-earned money however he chooses for access to a first-time (& perhaps one-time only) "cloud of pheasants" experience as an out-of-stater who is simply not privileged with the option of what some of you seem to hoard & gloat over or take for granted???
Like I said, I have also noticed quite clearly that the "matter-of-principle" at hand hasn't bothered a single one of the anti-pay-to-hunt howlers or preachers enough to step forward & say, "Hey dude you don't have to do that. Come on up & I'll show you a cloud or two of pheasants free-of-charge alongside me!" And yet somehow you manage to see yourselves as totally different from all those bad, mean "greedy landowners"...
Yeah, I know the type well! Southwest ND was not very friendly to me at all on my first pheasant-hunting excursion as an outsider knocking on doors to gain free-access & I also got an earful about it from a lot of sw ND landowners (not just the pay-to-hunt operations) as to why - they told me that yrs of constant abuse & being run over roughshod specifically by the LOCAL/RESIDENT entitlement crew is exactly the reason they no longer up their land to anyone!
Thank God I was finally able to win over a few of them & get to know some incredibly fine ND folks with continued access to hunt their land to this day, both paid & non! Good Day Gents... :cheers:
Good post Sir!
carptom1
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Yes, they are. Typically brit owners too
now that's funny. It is easy to be an internet hard azz. There are a few on here that are quick to blast anything different. I know as i have matured, some never do, i have realized that i learn much more from a differing view than i ever learn from one like mine.
I've hunted a lot of states in my vagabond youth hunting phase. I have always,and still do), consider North Dakota, culturally, to be among the friendliest, and proactive hunting states. As far as commercialism goes, it spread from South Dakota, but the last time I looked there were still plenty of PLOT grounds, waterfowl production areas, state school lands, BLM ground, and unless things have changed, all unposted land was accessable, and while I'd certainly ask, at least indicates that access is possible. On a short trip, with no contacts, a guy might be better served to sign on for paid access, to maximize the hunting instead of scouting. Personally I like freelance, but I don't see any evil in either pursuit. In fact a fellow hunter paying to access private ground, takes pressure of other areas for the rest of us. Some people seem to think hunting is a "free" sport, it's never been free, you spend money on gas and time scouting equal to paying a fee to "day hunt" where scouting and time have been done for you. So what!
Like I said, I have also noticed quite clearly that the "matter-of-principle" at hand hasn't bothered a single one of the anti-pay-to-hunt howlers or preachers enough to step forward & say, "Hey dude you don't have to do that. Come on up & I'll show you a cloud or two of pheasants free-of-charge alongside me!" And yet somehow you manage to see yourselves as totally different from all those bad, mean "greedy landowners"...
Frankly, the days of "clouds" are about over here in ND. There are still opportunities to hunt (for FREE) but the numbers are a FRACTION of what they have been in recent years. I just missed my first season opener in about 20 years. All reports I have seen told me I didnt miss a damn thing. BTW, I have made several hunting and fishing friends via internet message boards. I wouldnt invite anyone up here to hunt, these days. The birds just arent here anymore. Your best bet...stop in SD!
BRITTMAN
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I Do ?