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Come on OP I don't think any one here would have a problem helping a homeless vet. Now Obama going on a $100,000,000 African vacation at taxpayers expense is another story. That is spoken like a true conservative. I don't mean to offend you at all but that is the kind of stuff that needs to stop.
onpoint
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I voted twice for Bush, don't think his travels didn't cost us citizens? Your acting like this is a new phenomena....no it's because it's the guy you didn't vote for. I vote both sides of the isle...I'm leaning towards voting for neither major party next presidential election. My man has no party...That's what everybody should do. Get the money out of who gets elected. That would really set this country up and make it take notice. We do the hiring and the firing.
carptom1
Well-known member
I work in the bowels of the city. Much welfare, food stamps and poverty. It is all in the perspective. To these people I am the rich. Drive a decent truck, house in the country on a few acres, vacation, sick days, retirement, HEALTH CARE. Conservatives like to villianize people on subsidy. Liberals like to villianize the ultra rich. I see abuses on both ends. People on both ends abuse when they can, it is those of us in the middle that seem to pay the price. What needs to happen is solid compromise on all issues. Until that happens, like it used to, we will never succeed. All of this has gotten worse since the inception of all of these shows that bash the other side with no compromise! It is strange. We don't keep any relationship in our life without some compromise.
onpoint
Active member
WELL SAID!!
The only problem I see, people have no clue what I'm talking about when I say "Ultra Rich". Most are so far in the dark about how the top 5% operate or just how much money and power they have. Even the Billion air who owns Virgin Airlines, says he's a pee on compared to the big players. He has little power up against the true big players. That coming from a Billionaire. He doesn't even make the radar screen on who my comments target. So you hard working successful guys can relax...your not the problem.
Labman
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What a bunch of hogwash that is! Conservatives like to Villianize people on subsidies????? Well, Geeezzz, I wonder why..... Probably because Government is SO OUT OF CONTROL and Democrats have absolutely no care in the world about Welfare and illegal immigrants ruining this country, because they all vote democrat. I'm in Minnesota and I'm so sick and tired of this Democrat Ran state raising taxes, taking from people that earn a living and handing it out to people that sit on their rear ends and do nothing but talk on their Obama Phone and collect tax credits for their 8 different children, when I'm middle class busting my butt trying to put food on the table for my family. I'll just put it out there like this, IT IS THE DEMOCRATS RUINING THIS COUNTRY! Conservatives have done more for charity and poor people around this country and around the world, than liberals could ever dream of. Look no further than Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Hammering Romney for not paying enough taxes when Romney paid over 30%, but Obama, come to find out, only paid 18%???? And, what did Joe Biden give to charity this last year? Peanuts!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, but your just not going to agree with each other just to get along. Punishing successful people that have worked hard, taking their money and giving it to others is not the American way.
Labman
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Look at the secretary of state from Kansas, I believe it was. He's got a mob of 200 illegal immigrants raiding his property, harassing, and intimidating them right on his front step. Normal guy, and they didn't like his vote. I'd be stepping out their with my AR........
Bring in a 18 wheeler and deport their a$$e$ right back across the border.
Bring in a 18 wheeler and deport their a$$e$ right back across the border.
I love how the middle class has turned against each other. The rich and powerful have to be so amused by it all.
So labman you are worried about welfare? How about corporate welfare? You OK with big energy getting billion dollar subsidies annually? how about the farmers who tell you they "farm" the govt-SUBSIDIES. Apple keeping 42 billion in Ireland to avoid taxes? CEOS of HMOs making 400 million a year in salary and options.
why do freakin middle class people look DOWN at the problem but not UP?? The immigrants are here doing the work no one else wants to do for cheap wages no one else would work for. Take a look around, man. the truth is all around you if you open up your eyes and mind. I am middle class to, all I want is fairness and balance, and its skewed towards the UPPER 2% How on earth is that right to so may?
Oh its the american dream to get super rich and do what I freakin want to.
ME ME ME ME
What about us us us aren't we all supposed to be in this together?
And lastly why on earth are the Kardashians still around on TV and the tabloids etc? Geez even Paris Hilton went away after a few years.
So labman you are worried about welfare? How about corporate welfare? You OK with big energy getting billion dollar subsidies annually? how about the farmers who tell you they "farm" the govt-SUBSIDIES. Apple keeping 42 billion in Ireland to avoid taxes? CEOS of HMOs making 400 million a year in salary and options.
why do freakin middle class people look DOWN at the problem but not UP?? The immigrants are here doing the work no one else wants to do for cheap wages no one else would work for. Take a look around, man. the truth is all around you if you open up your eyes and mind. I am middle class to, all I want is fairness and balance, and its skewed towards the UPPER 2% How on earth is that right to so may?
Oh its the american dream to get super rich and do what I freakin want to.
ME ME ME ME
What about us us us aren't we all supposed to be in this together?
And lastly why on earth are the Kardashians still around on TV and the tabloids etc? Geez even Paris Hilton went away after a few years.
Labman
New member
Did I say I am for corporate welfare?
I know how this goes, we get political and the moderator shuts down this thread.
So I'll stop and just point out how well SD is being run. And now look at Minnesota and other liberal states.
BIG difference. Do you like Micheal Bloomberg, or do you like John Thune? Which one sticks up for your 2nd Amendment rights? Which one could care less about pheasant hunting and conservation?
I'm all for welfare for the "NEEDY". I'm all for supporting our Veterans!!!
There's so many scandals going on right now in this administration, it's hard to remember which one was the latest.
I know how this goes, we get political and the moderator shuts down this thread.
So I'll stop and just point out how well SD is being run. And now look at Minnesota and other liberal states.
BIG difference. Do you like Micheal Bloomberg, or do you like John Thune? Which one sticks up for your 2nd Amendment rights? Which one could care less about pheasant hunting and conservation?
I'm all for welfare for the "NEEDY". I'm all for supporting our Veterans!!!
There's so many scandals going on right now in this administration, it's hard to remember which one was the latest.
yea, we all know how it goes down. truth be told that we have more in common than we think.
What I aspire for is fairness and balance-you suggest that hands off and taking from the bottom is a better way and I say taking from the top and focus on us (not me myself and I) is a better way.
Gun rights, and a constitutional amendment like we have in minnesota-the right to hunt and fish, is lost on me when I don't have places to go due to habitat destruction and paying for the privilege. I mean what good will my hunting guns do for me with no wild places that are accessible to the average schmuck??
regarding SDak-are you aware of the fact that the Governor has put a ban on acquiring more state (open to the public) land, that townships, counties, the Farm Bureau, corn growers association etc etc etc have been fighting conservation easements, protecting grasslands, and the ultimate irony, trying to take away landowners rights for perpetual conservation easements?
You can look it up, You can ignore the truths but that doesn't stop them from being the truth. Your profile says your 36 or 37? I am 60 and trust me that the remaining wild places accessible to all of us are disappearing at an alarming rate. You haven't had the ability to see all I've seen and experienced in 60 years. If you enjoy wild upland bird hunting on the prairie, at an affordable cost, its disappearing.
Dan
What I aspire for is fairness and balance-you suggest that hands off and taking from the bottom is a better way and I say taking from the top and focus on us (not me myself and I) is a better way.
Gun rights, and a constitutional amendment like we have in minnesota-the right to hunt and fish, is lost on me when I don't have places to go due to habitat destruction and paying for the privilege. I mean what good will my hunting guns do for me with no wild places that are accessible to the average schmuck??
regarding SDak-are you aware of the fact that the Governor has put a ban on acquiring more state (open to the public) land, that townships, counties, the Farm Bureau, corn growers association etc etc etc have been fighting conservation easements, protecting grasslands, and the ultimate irony, trying to take away landowners rights for perpetual conservation easements?
You can look it up, You can ignore the truths but that doesn't stop them from being the truth. Your profile says your 36 or 37? I am 60 and trust me that the remaining wild places accessible to all of us are disappearing at an alarming rate. You haven't had the ability to see all I've seen and experienced in 60 years. If you enjoy wild upland bird hunting on the prairie, at an affordable cost, its disappearing.
Dan
Hi Ofer,
Tell me more about townships and counties fighting conservation easements. I am a township supervisor and a county commissioner and I have not heard anything about it. I do question the wisdom of letting someone that owns the land for 15 minutes having the right to decide what happens on that land forever. I think future generations should have the option to reconsider after awhile.
onpoint
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:thumbsup: Great post!! :10sign:
FCSpringer
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Atilla the hun said it best. "The land belongs to those who are strong enough to take it" Funny how history repeats itself. It will crash just as in the past. Sell now and buy more in 10 years, LOL. yep 10 g an acre right next to our Iowa land too.
I am not sure it will crash. With grain prices being high, even in MN the last little pockets of cover are being destroyed. heck I was even reading in todays Mpls Star-Tribune that our Governor Mark Dayton, a democrat, has asked Vilsack to open up CRP in MN to haying and grazing. He and the DNR commissioner Tom Landwher want to open up our wildlife management areas to grazing. So if you think democrats are evil and worthless, think again. They respond to pressure from big ag too. You don't have to be a rocket scientist or even a Kardashian to figure out that haying and grazing land is being put into grain so lets covet and get our needs met somewhere else oh thats right that WORTHLESS public land that doesn't put a penny in my pocket needs to be putting money in the coffers. To Dayton and Landwher I say thanks for nothing, don't give me that BS you care about our wild lands and that baloney about grazing cattle will do the same as the buffalo did.
Haymaker, if you Google conservation easements in SDak you will see what I am referring to. To me, its complete capitulation to "my immediate desire to covet any and all land that could be farmed" so as you say tying it up to prevent future uses trumps all other concerns? I still find it ironic that farmers and ranchers who often get so vehement that its MY LAND AND I"LL DO AS I PLEASE now want to take away others rights. There has to be some balance and anything wild on public and private prairie lands is under attack. Please take the time, all of you, to do some serious research if you doubt an open minded "freak" like me.
Its happening here in MN too, idiots from both parties. Why? cause sound bites, short term gratification and money flowing in from Big Ag to both parties makes sure their bets are covered.
Dan
Haymaker, if you Google conservation easements in SDak you will see what I am referring to. To me, its complete capitulation to "my immediate desire to covet any and all land that could be farmed" so as you say tying it up to prevent future uses trumps all other concerns? I still find it ironic that farmers and ranchers who often get so vehement that its MY LAND AND I"LL DO AS I PLEASE now want to take away others rights. There has to be some balance and anything wild on public and private prairie lands is under attack. Please take the time, all of you, to do some serious research if you doubt an open minded "freak" like me.
Its happening here in MN too, idiots from both parties. Why? cause sound bites, short term gratification and money flowing in from Big Ag to both parties makes sure their bets are covered.
Dan
That ban has been lifted. The rules just needed to reworked and now the SD GF&P is back in the land purchasing business.
I did look it up. It was a proposed bill that wanted to include the county commission in the decision process. That bill failed, and let me tell you as a county commissioner I have no desire to decide what somebody can do with their land. We did have a person come and ask for tax relief because his land has the easement on it.
onpoint
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"The first of these, the Homestead Act, provided, in Carl Sandburg's words, "a farm free to any man who wanted to put a plow into unbroken sod."
How did a good share of long time resident land owners get their land?
Handed down from generation to generation...back to when their relatives "Homesteaded" it for "FREE"
Now when today's generation want's anything free, even to walk a piece of ground for a bird. They are called fee loaders, lazy, a weight on the system. "Free" is a dirty word...use it and you will be labeled a liberal but some won't talk about the "free" things they receive. That's different...and something we don't talk about or disclose how much "free" they get. What they get for "free" they deserve and it is right in their mind. What others get for "free" is flat out wrong.
People should learn to work on the "free" system of doing things more. It's amazing how much more pleasant it is.
A coarse a man is going to smile and treat you kindly when you just handed him $250 for the day to walk his land for a Pheasant.
Then you have the man who lets you hunt for "free", he smiles and treats you kindly
Which one do you think is more honest and meaningful?
The next time you b!tch about those who want things for free, maybe check back and see what great grandpa paid for that ground. Then you can call him a free loader too. Maybe they should have been told to go back home to Norway or Germany where they came from, like so many say to the Mexican's or any others who recently came to this country.
People want the money out of Washington politics but yet they covet the same greed themselves. We best all learn to not covet the mighty buck and pay more attention to being a descent human being to our fellow people. Doing some things for free just out of the generosity of ones heart. Does more to ones inter workings then money could ever do. Try it and try it often. It becomes easier and easier...and the joy greater with each time.
Land prices?
New Trespass Laws?
That should tell the atmosphere around here real quick and it does for some.
"The first of these, the Homestead Act, provided, in Carl Sandburg's words, "a farm free to any man who wanted to put a plow into unbroken sod."
How did a good share of long time resident land owners get their land?
Handed down from generation to generation...back to when their relatives "Homesteaded" it for "FREE"
Now when today's generation want's anything free, even to walk a piece of ground for a bird. They are called fee loaders, lazy, a weight on the system. "Free" is a dirty word...use it and you will be labeled a liberal but some won't talk about the "free" things they receive. That's different...and something we don't talk about or disclose how much "free" they get. What they get for "free" they deserve and it is right in their mind. What others get for "free" is flat out wrong.
People should learn to work on the "free" system of doing things more. It's amazing how much more pleasant it is.
A coarse a man is going to smile and treat you kindly when you just handed him $250 for the day to walk his land for a Pheasant.
Then you have the man who lets you hunt for "free", he smiles and treats you kindly
Which one do you think is more honest and meaningful?
The next time you b!tch about those who want things for free, maybe check back and see what great grandpa paid for that ground. Then you can call him a free loader too. Maybe they should have been told to go back home to Norway or Germany where they came from, like so many say to the Mexican's or any others who recently came to this country.
People want the money out of Washington politics but yet they covet the same greed themselves. We best all learn to not covet the mighty buck and pay more attention to being a descent human being to our fellow people. Doing some things for free just out of the generosity of ones heart. Does more to ones inter workings then money could ever do. Try it and try it often. It becomes easier and easier...and the joy greater with each time.
Land prices?
New Trespass Laws?
That should tell the atmosphere around here real quick and it does for some.
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