david0311
Wish I had a dollar for everyone with that opinion--I've made eat their words:cheers:
Wish I had a dollar for everyone with that opinion--I've made eat their words:cheers:
Everyones Input Please
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UplandHntr
Well-known member
What - are - you - talking - about?????????:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
wisturkeyhunter
New member
Plagiarism!!!!
Seriously though labs and pointing dogs both can be fun to run together if you don't mind a circus and if your hunting late season in areas with not a lot of birds it can be more productive.
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quail hound
Moderator
We should be glad that not everyone hunts with hard charging, cover busting flushers. If everyone did there might not be any birds left to hunt.
OKIEGunner
New member
Sounds like Racism to me
AtTheMurph
Well-known member
I should have been more clear - I edited my original post but what I should have said was I don't like hunting game farms birds with labs.
PointnLab
New member
What is this "Tune Up" of which you speak?
There are 2 seasons. Training season and hunting season. If you want a superb dog, it's a year round journey. Besides, your best friend deserves it.
A dog that gets 50 stimulations in a days hunt has not been trained...it does not understand the ground rules by which it should perform/behave. Ever been spanked, cuffed, thumped, tweaked, warned, etc. 50 times in one day? (Neither have I, but I bet it's damn demotivating) Electricity, once applied, can never be taken back. Electricity improperly applied can remove drive that can never be put back, it should only be used to correct a known behavior. A dog needs to learn in a controlled environment, then apply what's been learned in the chaotic environment of the hunt...a simple stimulation should remind them of the ground rules they have applied hundreds of times over the "training season". Additionally, when the dog knows the ground rules by which it must behave, it allows the bird to become the new trainer...the dog can focus and learn the required interaction with the bird and develop the bird sense that makes a great dog and hunting partner.
My .02.
There are 2 seasons. Training season and hunting season. If you want a superb dog, it's a year round journey. Besides, your best friend deserves it.
A dog that gets 50 stimulations in a days hunt has not been trained...it does not understand the ground rules by which it should perform/behave. Ever been spanked, cuffed, thumped, tweaked, warned, etc. 50 times in one day? (Neither have I, but I bet it's damn demotivating) Electricity, once applied, can never be taken back. Electricity improperly applied can remove drive that can never be put back, it should only be used to correct a known behavior. A dog needs to learn in a controlled environment, then apply what's been learned in the chaotic environment of the hunt...a simple stimulation should remind them of the ground rules they have applied hundreds of times over the "training season". Additionally, when the dog knows the ground rules by which it must behave, it allows the bird to become the new trainer...the dog can focus and learn the required interaction with the bird and develop the bird sense that makes a great dog and hunting partner.
My .02.
mustistuff
Banned
speed
those quail of your's wouldn't stand a chance against a fast dog.
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We should be glad that not everyone hunts with hard charging, cover busting flushers. If everyone did there might not be any birds left to hunt.
those quail of your's wouldn't stand a chance against a fast dog.
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quail hound
Moderator
Never have heard of top speed being the measure of a good bird dog but I bet my slow springer could beat a "fast" dog to a bird that falls dead way out there.
When the cover looks like this I can't see a dog really opening up anyways. See that orange dot center left? Thats my dad about 10yds from me.
When the cover looks like this I can't see a dog really opening up anyways. See that orange dot center left? Thats my dad about 10yds from me.
mustistuff
Banned
speed
actually in the world of trial dogs it is usually the fastest with the mostest, a few other things are important also. that cover looked worse than what i used to hunt woodcock in, not many guys out there to pick on so today, you are it. good hunting anyway.
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Never have heard of top speed being the measure of a good bird dog but I bet my slow springer could beat a "fast" dog to a bird that falls dead way out there.
When the cover looks like this I can't see a dog really opening up anyways. See that orange dot center left? Thats my dad about 10yds from me.
actually in the world of trial dogs it is usually the fastest with the mostest, a few other things are important also. that cover looked worse than what i used to hunt woodcock in, not many guys out there to pick on so today, you are it. good hunting anyway.
cheers
quail hound
Moderator
The cover is getting pretty bad, it needs to be burned to open it up at ground level before it gets out of hand and chokes out the quail. As for the trial dogs well. If a dog can produce birds consistently I could care less if he or she could ever win a trial.:cheers:
mustistuff
Banned
nose knows
point was, the nose is faster than the dog, a dog can't run too fast, does he need to. NO. we need just a little of that cover on some farms in colorado and at least western kansas but then if we did, they would plow it up. took my new aya and the dogs for a walk yesterday in wyo. stocked walk in property, wyo. has few to no pheasants that survive the winter, gun worked, dogs worked but in the heat, a 4 hour hunt just about killed all three of us, had fun none the less, the lack of burning just about ruined the quail in much of the south, that and the planting of cool season grasses
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point was, the nose is faster than the dog, a dog can't run too fast, does he need to. NO. we need just a little of that cover on some farms in colorado and at least western kansas but then if we did, they would plow it up. took my new aya and the dogs for a walk yesterday in wyo. stocked walk in property, wyo. has few to no pheasants that survive the winter, gun worked, dogs worked but in the heat, a 4 hour hunt just about killed all three of us, had fun none the less, the lack of burning just about ruined the quail in much of the south, that and the planting of cool season grasses
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Upland4Ever
New member
10 bucks says the labs the one they shoot birds over.
Nope Pointer
BritChaser
Well-known member
<oops mistake>
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