Changing attitude about pay to hunt ?

Trying to hunt private land for free, is becoming a challenge.first of all, you have to find somebody home. You have to spend a lot of time, and fuel, driving around, looking for a good place.When you do find a plsce hat looks good, you have to hope it isn't leased to an outfitter.Sometimes, it takes half a day to find a private ranch, that will let you hunt.sometimes, it takes numerous stops, and the whole day.Farmers these days, are aware of the money that can be made off of pheasant hunters. I just don't like the way bird hunting is headed. It used to be cheap. Motels, fuel,food, amo, drinks, it all adds up.Then paying trespass fees, on top of that?yeah, I'd pay 20, but not more.
 
I started hunting SD 12 years ago the public land was good and fairly plentiful with decent habitat.We were always into birds and the dogs were in heaven.However,as the years went on the public land steadly went down in amount and quality .Sometimes the walk in areas were no more than pasture or grazed over land.Me and my hunting buddy were never pay to hunt type guys,being on fixed retirement incomes just getting there from Michigan with gas,food,lodging,license and 2 dogs took up most of the traveling cash.Well we finally gave in one season because the public land was so bad and we wanted to get our dogs on some birds, paid $125 per gun per day for 3 days.The hunting was decent,no limit days but we saw more birds than we had seen in 3 years of public land hunting.So on our ride home we decided it just wasn't worth it and we would just hunt preserve birds in Michigan when we need that pheasant fix.Well its been 4 years now and it still fun,the dogs get lots of work,we still get our laughs and a cold one after the hunt.To each his own but south Dakota needs to improve their public land hunting-we want to come back,love it there.Thanks

Ouch that's even worse a nightmare if that's our future choices pay to play or pay canned hunts...

Come to MN I'll get u on some birds & public land with food plots etc. Not as many hunters as SD but gotta be better then preserve come late in season...

That like them TX high fence deer hunts I just can't see it happening for me...
 
I'm moving to SD, because $100 goes a long way there! J/k
We show our appreciation with gift certificate,booze,or some cash, but no $100 bucks a day.

Yeah- that's outrageous.I shot a huge tom on this private ranch last year, and left a 12 pack of old Milwaukee. They liked it.
 
Lets not be naive to this and the other major economic and environmental issues that continue to cause the greatest change in your bird hunting quality and availability folks.


Apply Common Sense to the Conservation Reserve Program
SD Senator John Thune
July, 2014

South Dakota is famous for its numerous outdoor recreation opportunities, especially pheasant hunting. Dubbed the ?pheasant hunting capitol of the world,? the state attributes much of the success and popularity of upland bird hunting to the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP). The CRP land, along with shelterbelts, crop stubble, and patchwork of farmsteads and pastures offer protection to wildlife, shielding it from South Dakota?s harsh and extreme weather. Unfortunately, South Dakota?s enrolled CRP acreage continues to drop along with our state?s pheasant numbers, leaving hunting enthusiasts and rural economies concerned about how to best maintain South Dakota?s great hunting tradition.

Since 1986, CRP has added up to 1.5 million acres of grassland, trees, and wildlife habitat to South Dakota?s landscape. As a result, hundreds of thousands of acres of highly erodible land and critical wetlands have been protected and several species of wildlife have flourished. Not only does CRP provide an economic alternative to farming marginal land, but CRP?s hundreds of thousands of acres of habitat in South Dakota also enhance the economies of small towns and rural areas by supporting our pheasant and wildlife populations.

CRP acreage in South Dakota has dropped from its high of 1.5 million acres to its current enrollment of under one million acres. Although higher grain, cash rent, and land prices over the past few years have made CRP less attractive for economic reasons, one reason many farmers are turning away from CRP is the questionable CRP management policies coming out of the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) in Washington, D.C.

The vegetative cover on CRP grasslands must be removed every five years to improve its habitat and environmental potential, allowing new growth in these areas. Removing this cover is known as mid-contract management. Certain contracts require CRP participants to destroy the residue by baling, stacking, and burning. Burning this vegetative cover, which could instead be used for feed, is difficult to understand and creates safety risks. Additionally, CRP only pays a small percentage of the actual cost of removing and destroying the cover, increasing the cost to farmers.

I recently sent a letter to USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack asking that current CRP participants be allowed to utilize the vegetative cover removed under mid-contract management. My letter requested USDA allow CRP participants to use the hay removed by mid-contract management and receive a 25 percent reduction in their annual rental payment, or allow participants to donate the hay to a third party and receive full payment. Making this recommended change could save taxpayers nearly $12 million in South Dakota alone.
CRP holds a significant role in the success of South Dakota?s agriculture and rural economies. I will continue to work with my colleagues in the Senate and at the USDA to promote common-sense policies that save money and make CRP more attractive to South Dakota farmers.
 
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That is Senator Thune not Hune He is right about the mid management practices. It is one of the dumbest things that congress has ever done and they do a lot of dumb things. It is a reason that I may not enroll in CRP again. CRP is borderline worth it, this works against me signing up again.
 
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Currently there is no shortage of people willing to enroll in CRP. The ag economy is flat so people are looking but the CRP cap has all but stopped it.
 
Would you guys consider a gesture of thanks paying to hunt? For all of the landowners who allow our little group to hunt their land, I smoke slabs of baby back ribs for them, deliver them with a thank you, a handshake and the underlying notion of being back in the fall to ask permission once again.
 
I usually get them a 6er of old Milwaukee .Dudes that let you hunt for free, are great guys, that's for sure!!!!
 
Nobody on here, is going to convince me, that pay hunting I'd a good thing.Eventually, America will become like Europe , where only the wealthy will be able to hunt.

I think overall, this is what is alarming about the trend that I don't like. Can I predict the future? No. But, as the average young-middle aged hunter who wants to get his 9 year old son into hunting can attest, the bird contacts are the number one priority to keep a young person excited.

The people on here with disposable income to give hundreds of dollars to a farmer - good for you. But much like the social security problem that you are leaving us with in the next 25 years, this is another problem that we will have to deal with.

Hopefully more land will be able to be acquired by organizations like pheasants forever and the like. It really is the future of this sport the way its going, not taking out loans or eating bologna sandwiches (no offense SMO) to be able to pay some one for the "privilege" to see a few birds fly into the sky.
 
Would you guys consider a gesture of thanks paying to hunt? For all of the landowners who allow our little group to hunt their land, I smoke slabs of baby back ribs for them, deliver them with a thank you, a handshake and the underlying notion of being back in the fall to ask permission once again.


Maybe not the same as $$$ especially if you don't have to buy the rack of ribs wood for smoker smoker & all that...
 
I think overall, this is what is alarming about the trend that I don't like. Can I predict the future? No. But, as the average young-middle aged hunter who wants to get his 9 year old son into hunting can attest, the bird contacts are the number one priority to keep a young person excited.

The people on here with disposable income to give hundreds of dollars to a farmer - good for you. But much like the social security problem that you are leaving us with in the next 25 years, this is another problem that we will have to deal with.

Hopefully more land will be able to be acquired by organizations like pheasants forever and the like. It really is the future of this sport the way its going, not taking out loans or eating bologna sandwiches (no offense SMO) to be able to pay some one for the "privilege" to see a few birds fly into the sky.


Yes I give $$$ to PF QF DU NWTF they improved many many chunks of public land I hunted & have had awesome hunts.. .

I've talked with maybe 12-15 pay to play guys most were older over the hill aged only a hand full were members of any of the above groups they were saying no birds on public any more so I pay a lil $$$ to see birds etc. I always figured maybe if you gave same amount of $$$ over the years to PF or QF u mite have birds in ur old hunting grounds private land can be plowed up for $$$ public stays public invest in some public lands & we mite see birds... Yes we all support public lands when we buy hunting gear but we all agree more habitat more birds more birds on public land is good for everyone
 
What is the most you would pay to hunt private land, assuming the public land has pretty well taken a beating? Myself I would think $50 a gun is at the upper limit of being reasonable.
 
What is the most you would pay to hunt private land, assuming the public land has pretty well taken a beating? Myself I would think $50 a gun is at the upper limit of being reasonable.

What is charged depends on several things. Most businesses charge more early in the season. It may also depend on whether they just happen to have some birds or whether it is a business that has invested significant dollars to insure that there is nesting and winter food and shelter. What is considered affordable is in the mind of the one paying.
 
What is payment to hunt? Some do it in dollars, some in beer, some in presents. Any way you look at it, it adds up to paying to hunt. I pay the state to hunt. I pay lots of people on my way out and back, gas, restaurants, tire repair shops, convenience store snacks, etc. I think the real question is how much is too much. That my friends is a debate that will never get answered because expendable income varies between myself and my buddies let alone the entire hunting population. Some spend thousands to be pampered and drove around in buses to premium lands filled with pheasants. I can't afford that but I don't think they are less of a hunter than me. Just lucky to have that much money! Some of us don't have a problem paying $100 a day to experience a do-it yourself hunt where the odds of shooting your limit are reasonable. Some guys choose to hunt public land, their choice and their time. I just think it is funny when people say they won't pay to hunt private then say, well maybe if was just a little money then that would be okay! We all pay, that is why we all have the freedom to hunt. If nobody paid the state or conservation organizations no one would hunt. Keep the comments coming guys, this is good debate.
 
Pay to play

One thing I've noticed on the places I pay an access fee to hunt on is that these guys would be totally successful without creating wildlife habitat. Even though I am paying I still consider it a privledge to go do it. They don't have me sign liability waivers, and if the place is decent it will be rebooked every year. I think a lot of guys that enhance their property for wildlife can control the type of people out on their family treasure by charging a nominal fee. Guys that have invested thousands into equipment, thousands more into dogs aren't going to do dubious acts generally speaking. I can't afford it all the time but if I travel to SD I want the full experience. As bird numbers have declined I think places like this will continue to have value. It for sure is going to benefit public and neighboring private lands. I do a lot of public land hunting and enjoy it, when it's good word travels fast and the people keep coming until it sucks again. To me pheasants are not like elk and deer where you could hunt public your whole life and those animals will always be there. I have watched guys come to MT that have easily 20000 in dogs and trailer to obliterate some block management. I am a pheasant Hunter and for a couple times a year I want an above a average experience for me and my dogs. Will we ever see mid 90s bird numbers again I don't know but I am not going to watch the world go by hoping it does, I'm going pheasant hunting anyway that I see fit and I would never apologize for paying an access fee and I applaud the landowners who do it and allow me to hunt there.
 
I guess I've done it all over the various seasons. I've hunted purely public, purely private, combo public/private and at various times have used preserves.

I have never paid cash-per-gun to hunt private although I have given my time in combines and grain carts or gifts that obviously cost money.Most of my preserve hunts I've been invited as a guest by others although I have paid a few times myself when using preserves to get some live bird training on young dogs before regular season.

So I can't say I'm opposed to pay-to-shoot because I've done it. I prefer though to hunt private land now where i've made friends with people that I stay in contact with all year. I'm happy to give my time to help out and happy to remember them in other ways as well. Sometimes it may just be inviting them to a good pheasant dinner.

That said, I still hunt the public areas too. As I mentioned before, I don't like to hunt any one individual's private land every day I'm afield.

What's the future hold? It holds a lot of variables.

The last decade or so US hunting license sales recorded by US Fish & Wildlife averages about 14.5 million. If those numbers go significantly up or down it will affect pay-to-play; obviously it would affect hunting pressure on public areas.

If we get lucky and hit a Pheasant Superfecta where the hatch is numerous, the weather gives enough rain at the right time for great cover, where it's too wet to bale the low sloughs and crop prices are low enough to idle marginal land/increase CRP...AND we hit it say three years in a row....we may see bird numbers like there were in the early to mid-2000s. Bird numbers like that would also affect pay-to-play and public lands. Probably everyone would be happy.

Realistically, I think we're in for several more years of relatively low bird numbers. The CRP acres are down (and in dry years a lot of it gets "emergency haying"), we've had pretty dry years, the weather hasn't cooperated, the sloughs have been baled pretty early and marginal land is till under cultivation. Some of this has to change before the birds numbers will really rebound. That, IMO, will increase pay-to-play.

That's my nickle...I wrote more than 2 cents worth!
 
One thing I've noticed on the places I pay an access fee to hunt on is that these guys would be totally successful without creating wildlife habitat. Even though I am paying I still consider it a privledge to go do it. They don't have me sign liability waivers, and if the place is decent it will be rebooked every year. I think a lot of guys that enhance their property for wildlife can control the type of people out on their family treasure by charging a nominal fee. Guys that have invested thousands into equipment, thousands more into dogs aren't going to do dubious acts generally speaking. I can't afford it all the time but if I travel to SD I want the full experience. As bird numbers have declined I think places like this will continue to have value. It for sure is going to benefit public and neighboring private lands. I do a lot of public land hunting and enjoy it, when it's good word travels fast and the people keep coming until it sucks again. To me pheasants are not like elk and deer where you could hunt public your whole life and those animals will always be there. I have watched guys come to MT that have easily 20000 in dogs and trailer to obliterate some block management. I am a pheasant Hunter and for a couple times a year I want an above a average experience for me and my dogs. Will we ever see mid 90s bird numbers again I don't know but I am not going to watch the world go by hoping it does, I'm going pheasant hunting anyway that I see fit and I would never apologize for paying an access fee and I applaud the landowners who do it and allow me to hunt there.

Great post PTM. I'm in 100% agreement
 
This has been a great post but still what can be done for public land,what is south Dakota or the federal government able to do to improve the habitat and increase land availability.Without the public land being of decent hunting quality the hunter numbers are going to continue to drop,especially out of state hunters.This must be a big help to the local economies and you would think high on the states to do list.There's lots of talk about private land and how owners maintain their land for hunters and habitat,but that seems to lead to the pay to hunt issue.Improved public land opportunities is the answer,but at this time I'm wondering if south Dakota even has enough quality public land to make a difference.It has been greatly reduced over the past years and we can only hope something or someone can turn it around.
 
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