Changing attitude about pay to hunt ?

[small munsterlander owner]

Why not improve land habitat on public better. Well that is pretty easy to explain. The reason no one what's to talk about is it costs money and we as a country are BROKE no money honey. As you call it pay to play operations put their own bucks into there own land in the hope of getting a return on investment. Let's look at public vs private for a second. I can't tell you how many times I've hunted good looking public with no results just to see 100 's of birds pour out of a private corn field right after shooting time. After the birds get shot at a few times they will go to a place with little or no pressure. Last how does pay to play help public. Look at it the other way does pay to play hurt public. I think not

How dose your experience relate to areas with no public land around the private pay to play??? I've seen pressured birds move from private to public but if no public around how dose that private pay to play help public was my question...

My point exactly we are broke no $$$ for improveing public lands even if we pay a 3-5$ public land trespass fee... No need on trying to improve public lands ...

I respect your comments not u did not have correct gramour like some needless comments...

 

[small munsterlander owner]

If all the hunting operations that are in it as a business took the acres that are dedicated for the benefit of wildlife and put them back into ag production, would hunting get better or worse in South Dakota?

For public lands it mite not change like Chris aka u guide say what public land can produce is set by habitat & acres... Not what private land pheasant farmers do on there private lands...

 

[small munsterlander owner]

SMO, one way to look at it is there would be less hunters pressuring game and more then likely better habitat for survival, leading to a higher population. The higher the population the more area required, so in theory they would be leaking out of the private land onto public.
The idea of paying a trespass fee is completely foreign to my (because it is illegal up here), but the more I look at the situation I really don't see a problem with it.

Your Canadian rules dont really apply here...

Put it this way if you could pay 5$ to hunt thousands of acres of public lands would you do so??? being u have no issue on paying a trespass fee I'd day if u had the option you would do so??? Nuff said...

 

[alberta jonny]

Your Canadian rules dont really apply here...

Put it this way if you could pay 5$ to hunt thousands of acres of public lands would you do so??? being u have no issue on paying a trespass fee I'd day if u had the option you would do so??? Nuff said...

I never tried to apply Alberta rules.... Maybe it's the Canadian opinion you have a problem with...

Doesn't a portion of your hunting license fees go towards public lands and conservation?

 

[PheasantWhisperer]

So you found a bunch of free places to hunt, over the phone? Come on man.

Yes actually. Staying with a friend near Hoosac. He had a connection with a rancher who owns and rents about 4000 acres. So I called the guy. He said no problem hunting on him but that there is better hunting on the bordering farm. Gave me that guys number. Called. He agreed to let me go if I wouldn't mind taking his two sons also. No problem I said. His youngest son is 17 and he emails me about once a week since I talked to them on the phone. He's pumped up about it! So yeah a little legwork goes a long way. Its about a 2 hour drive east from my friends house. But that's the price you pay sometimes. I'll pay in gas anyday. He said he hasn't had bird hunters or anyone to ask to go bird hunting in the last 5 years. So instead of bitching on the internet maybe you should go talk to people. I probably will never set foot on public ground while I'm there. My dad is going to hunt on horseback. And they dont care about that either.

 

[small munsterlander owner]

I never tried to apply Alberta rules.... Maybe it's the Canadian opinion you have a problem with...

Doesn't a portion of your hunting license fees go towards public lands and conservation?

No problem with opinion I was referring to your very no public land issue in many canadian provinces... If you could pay 5$ at the time u buy your license & that enables your to hunt thousands of acres would u do so??? U don't have that option in Canada was my poiny on the your Canadian rules don't apply here comment...

Yes our license gun ammo fees portions go towards acquiring public lands... I think we were all talking about a extra say 5$ access fee to actually make these public lands BETTER QUALITY that's what we were talking about b4 the hole SPELL CHECK issue came up...

At least Alberta johnny took time to make a point not just point out grammar like a few guys on here like to do... Lol troll around looking for miss spellings to point out lol lame man

 

[small munsterlander owner]

Yes actually. Staying with a friend near Hoosac. He had a connection with a rancher who owns and rents about 4000 acres. So I called the guy. He said no problem hunting on him but that there is better hunting on the bordering farm. Gave me that guys number. Called. He agreed to let me go if I wouldn't mind taking his two sons also. No problem I said. His youngest son is 17 and he emails me about once a week since I talked to them on the phone. He's pumped up about it! So yeah a little legwork goes a long way. Its about a 2 hour drive east from my friends house. But that's the price you pay sometimes. I'll pay in gas anyday. He said he hasn't had bird hunters or anyone to ask to go bird hunting in the last 5 years. So instead of bitching on the internet maybe you should go talk to people. I probably will never set foot on public ground while I'm there. My dad is going to hunt on horseback. And they dont care about that either.

With out your friends help & the kid u have to hunt with's dad do u think u would of got the same answer if you just called dude out the blue asking to hunt??? Maybe but you have a pretty good in not common...

I wish your dad the best of luck... If you go to the FPNG in SD I think you can use the horse back technique there also seen it on a few shows...

 

[PheasantWhisperer]

Yes I do have an in. But MAYBE is exactly right. And I did call the guy out of the blue. Haven't talked to him in 15 years. He called 2 people out of the blue and asked them for me. One has never had a person ask to hunt. The other has people that mule deer hunt but no upland. If you don't ask the answer is definitely no. If you do ask, then maybe. And when you do go to meet new people and they like you, then they have no problem recommending you to a neighbor or another friend. It's pretty simple really. Sometimes requires a little more legwork. But I dont cry and make excuses if I get told no. I just move on.

 

[alberta jonny]

No problem with opinion I was referring to your very no public land issue in many canadian provinces... If you could pay 5$ at the time u buy your license & that enables your to hunt thousands of acres would u do so??? U don't have that option in Canada was my poiny on the your Canadian rules don't apply here comment...

Yes our license gun ammo fees portions go towards acquiring public lands... I think we were all talking about a extra say 5$ access fee to actually make these public lands BETTER QUALITY that's what we were talking about b4 the hole SPELL CHECK issue came up...

At least Alberta johnny took time to make a point not just point out grammar like a few guys on here like to do... Lol troll around looking for miss spellings to point out lol lame man

I'm not trying to be an a$$ but I'm not really understanding what your saying here. We have tons of public land in Canada. However if it was required to pay a $5.00 access fee and that money actually went towards the public land I was hunting, I would gladly pay it.

 

[small munsterlander owner]

I'm not trying to be an a$$ but I'm not really understanding what your saying here. We have tons of public land in Canada. However if it was required to pay a $5.00 access fee and that money actually went towards the public land I was hunting, I would gladly pay it.

I know Canada has lots of public land... I also know I watched a pheasants forever show in I think near Edmonton Alberta they were all bitching about 0 public land to chase roosters on??? Am I wrong???

I've also herd waterfowl guys bitch no public lands to goose hunt on only pay guides can't remember wear they were??? I think Manitoba???

I've also herd of hole Forrest's wear only pay guides have ability to hunt vs the average Canadian citizen also herd non Canadian can't hunt certain public & or species in Canada seem much different then USA I agree...

 

[small munsterlander owner]

Yes I do have an in. But MAYBE is exactly right. And I did call the guy out of the blue. Haven't talked to him in 15 years. He called 2 people out of the blue and asked them for me. One has never had a person ask to hunt. The other has people that mule deer hunt but no upland. If you don't ask the answer is definitely no. If you do ask, then maybe. And when you do go to meet new people and they like you, then they have no problem recommending you to a neighbor or another friend. It's pretty simple really. Sometimes requires a little more legwork. But I dont cry and make excuses if I get told no. I just move on.

I agree Montana is loaded with public & private options to hunt no bitching required...

I know lots of friends old buds I'm sure would let me hunt out the blue or not your friends... He asked from your info a neibohor... Again out the blue or not he's the guys neibohor & out in MT they will probably get along well enuff to gurentee a yes if not hunters them self...

If people got away from boozeman & the hi Line areas of MT I'm sure you can get into plenty of pheasants public or private...

We hunted 98% block management but only hunted sage & sharptail grouse no pheasants to far for a pheasant hunt for me lol

 

[alberta jonny]

I know Canada has lots of public land... I also know I watched a pheasants forever show in I think near Edmonton Alberta they were all bitching about 0 public land to chase roosters on??? Am I wrong???

Edmonton doesn't have a wild population of Pheasant, it's to far North to boast any population. What is up there is release sites, which are 100% open to the public. Not my cup of tea, but it's there. There Edmonton area holds plenty of other upland opportunities and if it's not public then you just have to ask permission. Done south towards me, there's lot's of public land to wander on. I won't argue that the private land is better, but there is still birds on public land.

I've also herd waterfowl guys bitch no public lands to goose hunt on only pay guides can't remember wear they were??? I think Manitoba???

I can't speak about Manitoba, but in Alberta there is lakes every where you can hunt over the water. As far as fields go, the geese are going to the cultivated areas for feed. So obviously it's private land, but on that note I have never had an issue getting permission. There is fields that have been locked down by guides, but that's never stopped me from limiting out.

I've also herd of hole Forrest's wear only pay guides have ability to hunt vs the average Canadian citizen also herd non Canadian can't hunt certain public & or species in Canada seem much different then USA I agree...

There is no species that I am aware of that residents can't hunt, but a guided hunter can. We have species that you are required to draw for and the wait times can be eliminated if you use a guide. But as a resident I can book that same guide and cut out the wait time as well. I know there are ranches up here (not whole forests), that only allow a guide to work on, but its his land, so his choice. I don't have any right to hunt on it, so in the end it really doesn't effect me. There is no public areas that I am aware of where a guide has a monopoly on it.

 

[small munsterlander owner]

There is no species that I am aware of that residents can't hunt, but a guided hunter can. We have species that you are required to draw for and the wait times can be eliminated if you use a guide. But as a resident I can book that same guide and cut out the wait time as well. I know there are ranches up here (not whole forests), that only allow a guide to work on, but its his land, so his choice. I don't have any right to hunt on it, so in the end it really doesn't effect me. There is no public areas that I am aware of where a guide has a monopoly on it.

Thanks for the info...

I have seen that show on rooster tails & the flush both of shows to know they were talking about & hunting wild pheasants they mentioned a golf course a few miles outside of Edmonton was wear they released the first pheasants in the area had a statue at the site...

They were hunting 100% private due to no public options I have no map to verify them I trust u know there is public or not...

The huge forest I think were Saskatchewan it was a lame babe winkleman show & the guide was describeing the situation it was all guides who could hunt this Forrest it was Canadian lands seemed public... I have to look up the forest name b4 I ramble on...

 

[small munsterlander owner]

There is no species that I am aware of that residents can't hunt, but a guided hunter can. We have species that you are required to draw for and the wait times can be eliminated if you use a guide. But as a resident I can book that same guide and cut out the wait time as well. I know there are ranches up here (not whole forests), that only allow a guide to work on, but its his land, so his choice. I don't have any right to hunt on it, so in the end it really doesn't effect me. There is no public areas that I am aware of where a guide has a monopoly on it.

I apologize Alberta johnny the town was not Edmonton it was Calgary Alberta....

The babe winkleman hunt was making it seem like only licensed guides had access to these huge forest I'll look into it...

 

[alberta jonny]

I apologize Alberta johnny the town was not Edmonton it was Calgary Alberta....

Calgary area is next to impossible to get permission on with shotguns, because of the amount of acreages. Lots of bow hunting though. There is also a lot of private land close by though, all you have to do is ask and usually you can get permission. The one episode (can't remember the which show) I watched showed a area called Frank lake and they said they were chasing wild birds... they weren't, it's 100% a release site.

The babe winkleman hunt was making it seem like only licensed guides had access to these huge forest I'll look into it...

Its possible he was in Northern Sask and it was a fly in area. If that was the case, then it was more then likely just guides in the area, but nothing would stop you from flying in on your own and hunting the same area. Saskatchewan also allows for high fence hunting, so it's possible he was on one of those ranches and was trying to skirt around it.

 

[goldenboy]

So the title of this thread is changing attitude about pay to hunt. If that is the case we are all changing our attitudes right? $5 more onto a license fee to improve public hunting lands is still changing your mind about paying to hunt. The only difference is economics. To one guy $5 is all they are willing to pay. To someone else that same $5 is like paying $3,000 to hunt.

 

[small munsterlander owner]

So the title of this thread is changing attitude about pay to hunt. If that is the case we are all changing our attitudes right? $5 more onto a license fee to improve public hunting lands is still changing your mind about paying to hunt. The only difference is economics. To one guy $5 is all they are willing to pay. To someone else that same $5 is like paying $3,000 to hunt.

5$ to hunt on & improve thousands of acres of public land seem fair & benefits all hunters...

150$-300$ per gun per day to hunt 1 parcel of land that only benifits those choosing to pay to play dose not seem a fair comparison but each to there own...

If 5$ from that private pay to play 150$-300$ went to improve public land habitat i would be same comparison...

I've payed a few $$$ in many states at time I baught license to access public lands I've not changed my views...

 

[UGUIDE]

5$ to hunt on & improve thousands of acres of public land seem fair & benefits all hunters...

150$-300$ per gun per day to hunt 1 parcel of land that only benifits those choosing to pay to play dose not seem a fair comparison but each to there own...

If 5$ from that private pay to play 150$-300$ went to improve public land habitat i would be same comparison...

I've played a few $$$ in many states at time I baught license to access public lands I've not changed my views...

SMO, how many acres of land do you own?

 

[Bob]

Pheasants Forever

 

[Matt D]

5$ to hunt on & improve thousands of acres of public land seem fair & benefits all hunters...

150$-300$ per gun per day to hunt 1 parcel of land that only benifits those choosing to pay to play dose not seem a fair comparison but each to there own...

If 5$ from that private pay to play 150$-300$ went to improve public land habitat i would be same comparison...

I've played a few $$$ in many states at time I baught license to access public lands I've not changed my views...

I don't even know where to start on this except to say you are way out there in the thought process and just doesn't make sense. I believe you have no idea on cost to manage property and the free market. Why do you care if someone wants to pay any amount at all to hunt private land? Whether it is $5, $50 or $300 it doesn't affect you at. It is private land and the owner of that land can do what he wants.