Cat Win!

The other side of it is if Bama wanted to play in the championship game they should have beaten LSU.

OSU lost in OT on the road on a day where they had a tragedy.

If you buy into the hype that nobody is as good as the best SEC teams so be it. But I don't think you should play for a national championship if you don't win your conference.

Here Here! Bama and LSU are pathetic in the passing game, so it'll be 7 in the box at all times, smash mouth football. It'll be a miracle if there are 21 points total by the end of the day.

If OSU came in and played their best game (as they did in the Bedlam game against OU), and Bama or LSU showed up and played their best game, you'd be hard pressed to pick a winner (especially if it were played away from the SEC, i.e. Louisiana).
 
The other side of it is if Bama wanted to play in the championship game they should have beaten LSU.

OSU lost in OT on the road on a day where they had a tragedy.

If you buy into the hype that nobody is as good as the best SEC teams so be it. But I don't think you should play for a national championship if you don't win your conference.

Alabama lost to a virtually indesputable #1 on LSU's home field by 3 points, in OT, the game was ass numbingly dull. So was, as described by some, not by me, the 1966 "game of the century", in which Michigan St and Notre Dame tied 10-10. Game of the century to me will always be Oklahoma-Nebraska, 1971. OSU on the other hand lost to Iowa St, a barely 500 team. Recent BCS history of the performance of the high flying Big 12 offenses is not particularily reassuring. OSU gives up gouts of yards, relies on turnovers to stay alive. I think they'll have all they want with Stanford, and I question Stanford's ranking as #4, coming off a shellacking loss to Oregon. That said, I'd have no issue with OSU, in the title game, I'm a Big 8 fan, Big 12 not so much, merely rationally describing the reasoning for the BCS selection. Without putting on my rose colored Big 12 glasses, I would have to say the Big 12 is down a little, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, Texas Tech, and Texas A & M, all worse than a year ago. Then there's KU! Only Iowa St., Baylor, and KSU demonstratively better than a year ago. With KSU way better. Have to add Nebraska's gone, would have been a factor as well. Bottom line, a really good year to be a little better, and be in the Big 12, Pac 12, or the BIG rusty 10/11/12, whatever. I am sympathetic with the idea that you should win your conference to play for the national title, but you should be able to mop the floor with the 500 teams, on your worst day. it can all be solved by a playoff, as suggested by the SEC several years ago, but rejected by Big 12 commisioner Beebe, "We like the system as it is", "there is no interest by our administrators in a 4 team playoff", and I quote.
 
Alabama lost to a virtually indesputable #1 on LSU's home field by 3 points, in OT, the game was ass numbingly dull. So was, as described by some, not by me, the 1966 "game of the century", in which Michigan St and Notre Dame tied 10-10. Game of the century to me will always be Oklahoma-Nebraska, 1971. OSU on the other hand lost to Iowa St, a barely 500 team. Recent BCS history of the performance of the high flying Big 12 offenses is not particularily reassuring. OSU gives up gouts of yards, relies on turnovers to stay alive. I think they'll have all they want with Stanford, and I question Stanford's ranking as #4, coming off a shellacking loss to Oregon. That said, I'd have no issue with OSU, in the title game, I'm a Big 8 fan, Big 12 not so much, merely rationally describing the reasoning for the BCS selection. Without putting on my rose colored Big 12 glasses, I would have to say the Big 12 is down a little, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, Texas Tech, and Texas A & M, all worse than a year ago. Then there's KU! Only Iowa St., Baylor, and KSU demonstratively better than a year ago. With KSU way better. Have to add Nebraska's gone, would have been a factor as well. Bottom line, a really good year to be a little better, and be in the Big 12, Pac 12, or the BIG rusty 10/11/12, whatever. I am sympathetic with the idea that you should win your conference to play for the national title, but you should be able to mop the floor with the 500 teams, on your worst day. it can all be solved by a playoff, as suggested by the SEC several years ago, but rejected by Big 12 commisioner Beebe, "We like the system as it is", "there is no interest by our administrators in a 4 team playoff", and I quote.

I understand what you are saying, and its not the Bama in not a worthy team. But that game between LSU and Bama was not a particularly well played game, especially offensively.

I would rather see someone else get a shot at LSU, Bama already blew their chance.
 
I understand what you are saying, and its not the Bama in not a worthy team. But that game between LSU and Bama was not a particularly well played game, especially offensively.

I would rather see someone else get a shot at LSU, Bama already blew their chance.

I don't disagree. I'm not all that sure that the SEC is all that much better than the rest of us. It will be interesting to see how the bowls go, and how Missouri does in the SEC east next year. BCS is wholely inadequate.
 
I don't disagree. I'm not all that sure that the SEC is all that much better than the rest of us. It will be interesting to see how the bowls go, and how Missouri does in the SEC east next year. BCS is wholely inadequate.

Missouri hasn't done much in the Big 12 other than the last couple of season. A&M will do better there than MU I suspect.

But other than the top few programs in the SEC, much of the rest of the conference is not real great.
 
Correction noted! I agree that Oklahoma State should get a shot. Oregon lost to LSU, Alabama too, let someone else with a contrasting style take a shot.
 
this is what you guys dont understand, the two best teams in the country should play each other and your telling me ok st is better lol, loses to a not sub par iowa st team ,in a shoot out with k state lol seems like ive heard this what wins championships (defense)!!!! You dont get to play in the national championship by who we wanna see its the two best teams and i promise there isnt a number two team in the big 12 0
 
Alabama lost to a virtually indesputable #1 on LSU's home field by 3 points, in OT, the game was ass numbingly dull. So was, as described by some, not by me, the 1966 "game of the century", in which Michigan St and Notre Dame tied 10-10. Game of the century to me will always be Oklahoma-Nebraska, 1971. OSU on the other hand lost to Iowa St, a barely 500 team. Recent BCS history of the performance of the high flying Big 12 offenses is not particularily reassuring. OSU gives up gouts of yards, relies on turnovers to stay alive. I think they'll have all they want with Stanford, and I question Stanford's ranking as #4, coming off a shellacking loss to Oregon. That said, I'd have no issue with OSU, in the title game, I'm a Big 8 fan, Big 12 not so much, merely rationally describing the reasoning for the BCS selection. Without putting on my rose colored Big 12 glasses, I would have to say the Big 12 is down a little, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, Texas Tech, and Texas A & M, all worse than a year ago. Then there's KU! Only Iowa St., Baylor, and KSU demonstratively better than a year ago. With KSU way better. Have to add Nebraska's gone, would have been a factor as well. Bottom line, a really good year to be a little better, and be in the Big 12, Pac 12, or the BIG rusty 10/11/12, whatever. I am sympathetic with the idea that you should win your conference to play for the national title, but you should be able to mop the floor with the 500 teams, on your worst day. it can all be solved by a playoff, as suggested by the SEC several years ago, but rejected by Big 12 commisioner Beebe, "We like the system as it is", "there is no interest by our administrators in a 4 team playoff", and I quote.

old and new i am impressed with your football knowledge i guarantee there isnt a hand full of guys on here that knew the sec wanted a playoff format but the big 12 pac 12 and big ten didnt want any of it!! its like urban meyer said on his hiring at ohio st the sec is way ahead of all other conferences especially defensively i mean bama has at least 9 first round picks!! But he also said there is a conference that is not that far behind and that would be the big ten i would have to agree ,i mean the two most prestigous coaches in football come from the big ten les miles and nick saban
 
Missouri hasn't done much in the Big 12 other than the last couple of season. A&M will do better there than MU I suspect.

But other than the top few programs in the SEC, much of the rest of the conference is not real great.

Last couple years? MU has been pretty good for a while now. With 18 more wins then A&M over the last decade.

Mizzou.......Texas A&M

2003 8-5......2003 4-8
2004 5-6......2004 7-5
2005 7-5......2005 5-6
2006 8-5......2006 9-4
2007 12-2......2007 7-6
2008 10-4......2008 4-8
2009 8-5......2009 6-7
2010 10-3......2010 9-4
2011 7-5......2011 6-6
 
Last couple years? MU has been pretty good for a while now. With 18 more wins then A&M over the last decade.

Mizzou.......Texas A&M

2003 8-5......2003 4-8
2004 5-6......2004 7-5
2005 7-5......2005 5-6
2006 8-5......2006 9-4
2007 12-2......2007 7-6
2008 10-4......2008 4-8
2009 8-5......2009 6-7
2010 10-3......2010 9-4
2011 7-5......2011 6-6

You could be right, but I dislike MU more :cheers:
 
So far I've been nothing but complimentary to all the soon to be parted Big 12 sisters, but since the talk turns toward disparaging Missouri, I have to say Mizzou will do just fine in the SEC. Texas A&M is, was, and always will be a big talker with little performance. As a lifetime Mizzou fan, who was not real happy about the conference realignment, I've decided after the love and devotion shown by our sister Big 12 institutions, I'm glad we're gone. I find it hillarious that all the superior minded mud slingers were trying to bum a ride to anywhere else, right up until they got rejected. Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. Texas and Texas Tech started this round. KU found out last year, as I suspect KSU, that there was no soft landing spot, just like the Texas/Okla/OSU/Tech, would be Pac12 deserters. Mizzou has a winning all time record against everyone in the SEC, including Alabama. You Cats need to focus on beating Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl, since once again the BIG 12 did such a good job you got cheated out of a BCS bowlgame. It ought to seem familiar, it's about the third or fourth time in the last decade. Missouri is darn lucky to join the SEC. Having faced our own humiliation with the Big 10 Nebraska fiasco. Have fun with the West Virginians and their "midwest roots", be sure to put a couple of sofas out in aggieville so they can burn them when they visit. Now TCU is elevated to a BCS automatic conference, I suspect they will be a real recruiting challenge in Texas. Houston and SMU too! At least you have KU to kick around. Do you suppose they have a stipulation against hiring a coach under 350 pounds? I hope you haven't stopped looking for a permanent home, conference stability to the Big 12 depends on which side of the bed DeLoss Dodds rolls out of in the morning, or how long it takes motor-mouth Boren to say something stupid. Mizzou will have to step up it's game, but in football I don't see Kentucky, Vandy, the current condition of Tennessee and Florida, Georgia, or South Carolina, being overwhelming. No tougher than Iowa State at Ames, or KSU at Manhattan. Besides which, Missouri's demands and negotiations, despite the eventual defection, got you guys concessions you would not have gotten otherwise, equal 1st and 2nd tier revenue sharing, and a 5-6 year grant of media rights, ( if anyone ever signs it, Missouri wanted at least 10, with 13 preffered). Pretty nice parting gift. Sure a heck of a lot more than A&M got you, they were leaving and nobody cared.
 
West Virginia has as many "midwest roots" as Missouri does SEC east division. The SEC is no different than the Big 12. The reason Missouri is in the east is because thats where the big boys wanted them.
 
West Virginia has as many "midwest roots" as Missouri does SEC east division. The SEC is no different than the Big 12. The reason Missouri is in the east is because thats where the big boys wanted them.

Thirteenth star on the confederate flag was Missouri, which was a border state with southern leanings. We have cities named Savannah, Richmond, Macon, area just east of Columbia Known as the Kingdom of Calloway, never officially joined either side but known as "little Dixie" to this day. Southern culture is not such a reach! We border Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, kids in the boottheel, get in state tuition to Mississippi Universities, and they are closer than MU! Still think of us as belonging in the midwest, but I'm from the western edge of the state, and have exactly as many Kansas roots as Missouri. Not everybody across the state agrees. I'm still glad to land where we did, I hope the rest of the old Big 8 gets out safely as well. I could care less about Texas, or any remnant from the SWC. Poison pits one and all.
 
oldnew

My comment about MU was an inside joke with a friend that lives in Columbia. Guess this was the wrong place to poke fun at him.

I for one was very disapointed that Mu left. Growing up in KC I always enjoyed the KU, MU, and KSU games. The old big 8 was great.

There is plenty of blame to go around on the near breakup of the big 12.


K-State has had a pretty migical season. Coach Snyder has taken a group of of hard working young men and turned them into a better than average team that is tough enough to win the close games. It should be a good Cotton Bowl.
 
oldnew

My comment about MU was an inside joke with a friend that lives in Columbia. Guess this was the wrong place to poke fun at him.

I for one was very disapointed that Mu left. Growing up in KC I always enjoyed the KU, MU, and KSU games. The old big 8 was great.

There is plenty of blame to go around on the near breakup of the big 12.


K-State has had a pretty migical season. Coach Snyder has taken a group of of hard working young men and turned them into a better than average team that is tough enough to win the close games. It should be a good Cotton Bowl.

I'm just over sensitive from beatings in the KC press.
 
At least you have KU to kick around. Do you suppose they have a stipulation against hiring a coach under 350 pounds?

KU invested a fortune on oversized furniture for the coaches office. Gill never did look quite right sitting in the office chair so found a coach that fit the furniture. ;)
 
KU invested a fortune on oversized furniture for the coaches office. Gill never did look quite right sitting in the office chair so found a coach that fit the furniture. ;)

Poor old Turner, his contract called for a weight gain of 100 pounds a year, so he could grow into the job. Paid 2 mil a year for extra groceries. Incentive bonuses if he needed a cart for transportaton, or lap band surgery. He just couldn't measure up. Got Charlie because he's a disciplinarian, you can tell by his appearance. This can't be real, it's to much fun!
 
Now wait, I thought that the worst team in the SEC would win the Big 12, and a team like OU couldn't hang with the SEC teams. :eek:

How could this be possible that the coaches poll and Press could make such a mistake. Guess we will have to play the games and see what happens :cheers:

lol you know i am not one to stir up any shit on the forum but like i have said before big 12 is a long way from the sec cmon lets hear all the excuses why k state share of the big 12 champion didnt beat the 3rd placein the sec razorbacks or how 106th rated defense oklahoma st team got robbed of playing in the national championship or how bama didnt win there conference only cause the best team in the country is in there conference your right setter we will have to wait and see,woops and by the way for you big 12 dreamers make 6 years in a row for the sec of a national championship lmao
 
lol you know i am not one to stir up any shit on the forum but like i have said before big 12 is a long way from the sec cmon lets hear all the excuses why k state share of the big 12 champion didnt beat the 3rd placein the sec razorbacks or how 106th rated defense oklahoma st team got robbed of playing in the national championship or how bama didnt win there conference only cause the best team in the country is in there conference your right setter we will have to wait and see,woops and by the way for you big 12 dreamers make 6 years in a row for the sec of a national championship lmao

Classy... @Arkansas, well played game.
 
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