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tOlzon

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I just returned from 5 days in the Gettysburg/Seneca area. This was my first time hunting public land in SD (I've hunted private land a few times and had the time of my life).

While my trip was mostly positive, I was VERY disappointed in the quality of most WIHA land and dealt with a couple irate landowners, despite abiding by the letter of the law.

I know a lot of people are fine with just hunting right-of-ways, and there are a lot of birds in the ditches, but I happen to enjoy walking a nice grass field, watching the dogs work the birds. Almost all of the large tracts of public land I saw was completely barren and grazed by cows. We spent almost an entire day scouting for good public land and were only able to find a few spots within a 20 mile radius. For a state that does so much promoting of how much public land is available, I figured the land would consist of higher quality cover.

I also had some landowners give me trouble. Once, we were walking a right-of-way and a truck came screaming down the road. The driver got out and yelled "I know this is public land, but I don't want you here. Get the f&$# out!" He then drove down the road honking his horn to scare all the birds away. At the end of the road, he shot a rooster in the ditch from the window of his truck, retrieved it, gave us the finger, and drove off. I was so taken aback that it didn't occur to me to get his license plate number until it was too late.

Later that same day we were walking a field when a truck drove up to us in the middle. This guy informed us that we were on his land and needed to leave immediately. We showed him the map and explained that this was public land. He insisted that the land was his, and that the map was wrong. He seemed earnest, but it seemed unlikely that the state's map would be wrong. Of course, I have crappy cell phone service, so couldn't call anyone to come verify his claim, so we left.

I know this post is coming off as pretty negative, but we really had a great time. In the end, we were able to find birds (mostly in right-of-ways) and met some really nice people.

However, given the trouble I had, I don't think I will be contributing my hard-earned money to the South Dakota economy next year. Maybe I'll try Kansas. Pheasant hunting is a passion of mine, and what should have been a fantastic trip had a damper put on it by a few bad experiences. I just don't need that kind of s#!t in my leisure activities.

I don't like to complain about things without offering suggestions, so here are mine.

1. Ensure that any land being opened up for public use is capable of holding wildlife.
2. Start a campaign to educate resident of the impact out-of-staters have on the SD economy. You'd think this would be common knowledge, but it seems to me (and this sentiment has been echoed by several other I talked to), that many either don't know or don't care. It's unfortunate that it's so easy for the 2% that are a$$holes to reflect poorly on the 98% of great people.
 
Ive been to SD many times and fortunately never experienced any issues with landowners but never really hunted ditches either so...

I will add that I have never shot my limit on a SD trip. Its always one thing or another but the bottom line is those public grounds get hit so hard and so often the birds are generally scarce. The 100 bird rise off of public is very very few and far between. Ive been out there from opening w/e to Mid December.

Here's to just once in my life seeing that 100 bird rise and a full game bag!
I was thinking just this morning while hitting the 'new posts' button - look at the number of threads in the kansas forum vs. the SD forum. Its not even close. Many many more for Kansas. Maybe a lot of folks are seeing the light.....?
 
We flushed 100+ birds twice. Unfortunately we were in the truck at the time :mad:
 
I saw flcoks of a hundred or more a few times...all in the Carpenter, SD area...one time guys were driving a corn field toward a cut bean field and they let us block for them...we must of saw 200 pheasants that time..it was in late October...another time was right at dusk we were hunting a little green grass field (not sure what kind of grass) and we saw a couple hundred birds there as well...all this was on private land pay to play though.

never had issues with locals...that sound unfortunate
 
tOlzon, sorry you had such a negative experience in SD. That certainly is not the norm. Before you totally give up on SD I would encourage you to give it another try.

When you are talking about public land that was grazed down and had no cover for birds I would like to know what public land you are talking about? Was it a WPA, a GPA, Walk-in or School land? I have a feeling what you saw was School land. School land is "blue" in the Hunting Atlas. I have found that most of the School land if pasture and offers very little hunting. And none of the School land is marked by signage. Looking at the maps in the Hunting Atlas there is a boat load of School (blue) land between Gettysburg and Seneca. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be many WPA's, GPA's or Walk-In areas in that area of the state. I would choose a different area of the state in the future. You need to look for the red, green and yellow areas in the Hunting Atlas. WPA's, GPA's and Walk-In areas should contain decent cover. But they do hay off a portion of some of these areas on occasion. Had you gone 30-50 miles North, NW or NE you would have found more and better public hunting areas.
 
Dakotazeb,

I should have given more detail as to where/what we were hunting. I knew going in the the "blue" areas would likely be unproductive for pheasants (lots of deer, though!). We started out in the Akaska area, primarily because of the suggestion of the owner of the cabin we were staying in. What looked on a map to be more WIHA than we could ever hunt turned out to look like a lunar landscape. We then moved over into the Lowry area and found a similar situation.

The Gettysburg and Seneca areas are where we finally ended up finding birds (in the ditches) and were we had trouble with landowners, both of whom owned land bordering the school lands.

If I remember correctly, you've got family in the New Ulm area, right? If you're going to be there over Thanksgiving weekend, I'll be out hunting most of the day Saturday and Sunday. Let me know if you're interested in meeting up!
 
shouldve came to pierre. theres all kinds of public ands along the river. theres more walk in places here than i have seen in winner area and believe me, farmers are more friendlier than what you dealth with in gettysburg.
 
I'm originally from Canby, MN. Hunted there 3 days the last week of Oct. Normally I would be going back over there the T-Day weekend but I have a friend from Colorado coming to hunt here in SD. Looks like I might be back in the Canby area some time the first full week in Dec.
 
We hunted SD for the first time this year, 99% public land, vic Pierre. We also looked at the hugh plots of WIA NW of Pierre and found the same issue. Land was grazed to the nubs, hayed off, or had winter wheat in. What was really sad, was all the great looking land and flocks birds we passed by to get to the WIA. The tracts are so vast, there isn't a chance of figuring out who owns it to go knock on the door. We hated driving an hour -2 to find nothing. The best piece of WIA we found had a super shelter belt that was sorrunded by picked corn. With the dry fall, the "knock off" left a lot of corn on the ground. On 2 sides it was flanked by cover and Sun Flowers. We found it on the map, drove to it and were initially confused as there were no signs. After a walk around inspection, we discovered that someone had taken the signs down and they were laying next to the posts. I guess somebody wanted it to themselves.
The land owner's we did interface with were very pleasant and helpful. One family who a piece of their land in WIA that was hit hard daily due to its location, invited us to hunt their "private" land that wasn't in the program and we did well there. All it took was 10 minutes of conversation about the area, helping Grandma do a little fishing, and asking about them before we started.
We found good numbers of birds everyday. We spent about 1/2 our time in the Nat'l Grasslands. This is a great place to let a big running English Setter stretch his legs and while we didn't find the 100 bird rises there, we had solid pointed birds daily. That is what the trip was all about for me and my partner. We are all ready planning the trip back for next year!:cheers:
 
However, given the trouble I had, I don't think I will be contributing my hard-earned money to the South Dakota economy next year. Maybe I'll try Kansas.

I hope that everyone heeds your advice and goes to Kansas. Kansas can take all of SDs hunters, and pheasant outfitters.
 
Don't give Kansas any help Moeller, There's enough hunters now, read the Kansas posts! P.S. a friend of mine in the armed services e-mailed me to say the pheasant hunting was really good in the Korean DMZ! Maybe we could send Benelli's wingshooter to popularize the trip! Take the pressure of S.D. and Kansas.
 
The WPA by my place in South Dakota was grazed near flat early in the summer. Then hayed right before season. Never have shot much for birds on public land in South Dakota. It's hunted to death. I hunted south west Minnesota this fall and had a ball. seen more birds and had little in the way of hunting pressure. I'll just hunt Minnesota for pheasants from now on.

Sorry your hunt didn't work out in SoDak. Your not the Lone Ranger
 
I just returned from 5 days in the Gettysburg/Seneca area. This was my first time hunting public land in SD (I've hunted private land a few times and had the time of my life).

While my trip was mostly positive, I was VERY disappointed in the quality of most WIHA land and dealt with a couple irate landowners, despite abiding by the letter of the law.

I know a lot of people are fine with just hunting right-of-ways, and there are a lot of birds in the ditches, but I happen to enjoy walking a nice grass field, watching the dogs work the birds. Almost all of the large tracts of public land I saw was completely barren and grazed by cows. We spent almost an entire day scouting for good public land and were only able to find a few spots within a 20 mile radius. For a state that does so much promoting of how much public land is available, I figured the land would consist of higher quality cover.

I also had some landowners give me trouble. Once, we were walking a right-of-way and a truck came screaming down the road. The driver got out and yelled "I know this is public land, but I don't want you here. Get the f&$# out!" He then drove down the road honking his horn to scare all the birds away. At the end of the road, he shot a rooster in the ditch from the window of his truck, retrieved it, gave us the finger, and drove off. I was so taken aback that it didn't occur to me to get his license plate number until it was too late.

Later that same day we were walking a field when a truck drove up to us in the middle. This guy informed us that we were on his land and needed to leave immediately. We showed him the map and explained that this was public land. He insisted that the land was his, and that the map was wrong. He seemed earnest, but it seemed unlikely that the state's map would be wrong. Of course, I have crappy cell phone service, so couldn't call anyone to come verify his claim, so we left.

I know this post is coming off as pretty negative, but we really had a great time. In the end, we were able to find birds (mostly in right-of-ways) and met some really nice people.

However, given the trouble I had, I don't think I will be contributing my hard-earned money to the South Dakota economy next year. Maybe I'll try Kansas. Pheasant hunting is a passion of mine, and what should have been a fantastic trip had a damper put on it by a few bad experiences. I just don't need that kind of s#!t in my leisure activities.

I don't like to complain about things without offering suggestions, so here are mine.

1. Ensure that any land being opened up for public use is capable of holding wildlife.
2. Start a campaign to educate resident of the impact out-of-staters have on the SD economy. You'd think this would be common knowledge, but it seems to me (and this sentiment has been echoed by several other I talked to), that many either don't know or don't care. It's unfortunate that it's so easy for the 2% that are a$$holes to reflect poorly on the 98% of great people.

My 40+ years of hunting in SD are the closer you get to the Missouri River the more rednecks and angry farmers there are. Can't tell you why, but have had the same type of issues when I got close to the river. I stay away from that area now. Otherwise, most farmers are pretty good to deal with, even if they won't allow you to hunt. There are lots and lots and lots of farms that go unhunted each year. I have access to 7 different farms and none of them are pay to hunt situations. I got them by knocking (and knocking and knocking) on doors. I ask in September and December. December is probably the best month to ask because the relatives are done hunting and you can usually get on. If they let you hunt go back and thank them and then ask if you can come back the 3rd or 4th weekend from the opener. The first two weeks are usually reserved and farms open up after that. Now go knock on another door and ask.
 
Decisions, Decisions...

I have come across several posts like yours or heard similar sad stories from "friends of a friend" (regarding public hunts in SD) and I follow with great interest since I am trying to plan a DIY trip out of state yet this season, since our numbers are so bad out here-I'm one of those out of state statistics. This is partially why, quite frankly, I have avoided making the trip to SD in years prior. I have done DIY trips to other states for other species of upland birds, but never have I had these sorts of problems. The only bad experience was when a CO in WI threw the book at my buddy and I for driving our truck on a state non-motorized trail that we honestly mistook for a logging road. $164 error. I am sorry to hear your story and it stinks to have your vacation time marred by unpleasant experiences. Scouting is, however, a fact of life for the DIYer. Sometimes, a whole trip to a new area one year is chalked up just to make it a great trip next year. With limited time off, that's a reality for me and many others.

I like to think that bird hunting is not solely for the rich and famous. I totally relate to your comments about your hard earned money-not all of us can afford to go to $$$ lodges or outfitters; we rely on public land hunting oportunties.
 
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I have come across several posts like yours or heard similar sad stories from "friends of a friend" (regarding public hunts in SD) and I follow with great interest since I am trying to plan a DIY trip out of state yet this season, since our numbers are so bad out here-I'm one of those out of state statistics. This is partially why, quite frankly, I have avoided making the trip to SD in years prior. I have done DIY trips to other states for other species of upland birds, but never have I had these sorts of problems. The only bad experience was when a CO in WI threw the book at my buddy and I for driving our truck on a state non-motorized trail that we honestly mistook for a logging road. $164 error. I am sorry to hear your story and it stinks to have your vacation time marred by unpleasant experiences. Scouting is, however, a fact of life for the DIYer. Sometimes, a whole trip to a new area one year is chalked up just to make it a great trip next year. With limited time off, that's a reality for me and many others.

I like to think that bird hunting is not solely for the rich and famous. I totally relate to your comments about your hard earned money-not all of us can afford to go to $$$ lodges or outfitters; we rely on public land hunting oportunties.


I have freelanced in South Dakota since 1999 and have not had any bad experiences with landowners. Have sometimes heard less than kind comments about "out-of staters" in the convenience stores or coffee shops but that is the extent of it.

I highlighted the comments that every new hunter to SD should understand. Freelancing is a long term investment. Expect to commit at least one year to learning the game. It can take longer if like me you start out hunting the wrong area of the state.

On public parcels in SD you will typically be hunting your roosters one at a time. That doesn't leave a lot of margin for error and a limit is anything but guaranteed and usually an all day grind even for the experienced freelancer. Good dog work is a must and it is important as the brains of the outfit that the hunter puts that dog down in cover with birds and in cover that suits the dogs abilities. Wasting a dogs energy in unproductive or unsuitable cover takes a toll over the course of the week.

A freelancer should choose the general area they hunt wisely. Look for a high concentration of public land and IMO it is best if that public land is varied in type. I like to see "red, green & yellow" options available and in close proximity where I hunt.

If a guy takes the time to look the public hunting atlas does provide information on what the intended species opportunities are for each WIA parcel. This can save a lot unproductive drive time.
 
Freelancing is a long term investment. Expect to commit at least one year to learning the game. It can take longer if like me you start out hunting the wrong area of the state.

On public parcels in SD you will typically be hunting your roosters one at a time. That doesn't leave a lot of margin for error and a limit is anything but guaranteed and usually an all day grind even for the experienced freelancer. Good dog work is a must and it is important as the brains of the outfit that the hunter puts that dog down in cover with birds and in cover that suits the dogs abilities. Wasting a dogs energy in unproductive or unsuitable cover takes a toll over the course of the week.

Awful good advice there sir!!! Exactly the way I have found it to be as well! Took me the first year just to get my bearings - 2nd yr it all began coming together - some days are better & far more bird-filled than others, but personally I really enjoy the ones where you have to scratch all day & subsequently get to spend more time afield doing what we all love.

Your dog advice is priceless!!! The only thing I would add - is spend a single day (not a week) in the wrong kind of cover that is either birdless or non-conducive-to-birds-holding with a young or inexperienced dog and the dog begins to get bored & disinterested. Amazing how quickly some fresh/hot rooster-scent close at hand will turn that all around!!! :D

Now that I have learned pretty much what specific ingredients I am looking for, I burn up a lot of miles & do a lot of glassing be4 I even bother getting out of the truck. I don't like walking birdless fields for miles-&-miles any more than the dog does! :p For that matter, I don't like watchin 'em run & flush a half a mile ahead all day long in thin cover either... :eek:

If a few DIYers will do their homework well ahead of time & listen to your excellent advice, they're gonna shorten the learning curve considerably!!! :thumbsup:
 
Good advice from all. I would add that it helps to take notes in your atlas from year to year. It's easy to forget what you found in prior years. My system is pretty simple I X out areas with no pheasant cover. I circle each area I hunt add then add a simple note on how productive it is. If you keep those atlas from past years it can really help.

Scouting and finding birds in new areas is part of the fun for me. If I ever have to give up freelancing I don't know if I'll hunt anymore. There is a special satisfaction scratching out a few birds on your own.
 
We usually hunt a mixture of private and public lands. A typical trip would be 3 days private and 2 public. We are fortunate enough to be able to afford the private but get a lot of satisfaction out of the scouting and checking out new areas, so that is why we do it this way. My experience has been that one can usually get a limit on public if you shoot straight.
 
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