A South Dakotan Calls the Glenn Beck Radio Program

It is amazing to me just how big some of the farm machinery is today. Down and back on my farm and they would be done. A little newspaper called Midwest Producer shows up in my mailbox at the ranch and I usually glance at it before it hits the trash, but the latest issue with a front page story, 'Planting efficiently' caught my eye and I read on about a farmer at Mead, Nebraska and his new John Deere DB120 planter. The DB120 is a 48 row(30" spacing) making it 120 foot wide and it is reported that it can plant 90 to 100 acres an hour.

Don't expect to see old Maynard Reece Byrd being interviewed by Midwest Producer, Successful Farming or any other farm magazine, unless there is one called 'Trash Farmers R Us'. ;)
 
Big ag Remember MURpHY/Tyson the hog saviors? What about Dairy who owns them? Farmers saling their soul to cargill and all the others. Where just here to help billionare ag companies? Stick your head in the sand and play stupid thats what they want. Our is your family one of them that fell for the stupidity? Promise you the world and work for peanuts, but at least you get to drive big equipment. States let them break all the rules poute everything in site, cut massive deals. Sure theres no big ag I made all these names up:thumbsup: I work for myself and spend my money locally in IOWA. Pick up a farm magizine sometime maybe you'll figure it out:)

Coot I think you might be misguided on who actually owns the farms out there. Over 90% are family owned operations. Yes some have entered into marketing agreements with Tyson to insure a profit. The arrival of the hog confinement made possible by some of these agreements has been way better for the environment that outside hogs. Not to mention less use of grain and safer pork. No we don't have hogs. We milk but no one owns our soul. Family farms have gotten bigger no doubt and if people failed to grow with the industry they got left behind. I think the term is called economy of scale. I'd love to hear some specific examples about how these big ag companies have brought us to ruin and have a reasonable conversation if that is possible.

Mike, we use "Big Ag" like America uses the term "The Fed". They are both big and out there.

The guy that "used" to farm my ground wants to farm bigger, faster, more, go thru the sloughs, pull out the fences. His objective and my objective clashed and that was about the only thing we agreed on. He, like many other big time, big Ag farmers would love to see CRP go away and never come back. Takes away "their" livelyhood.

This is maybe just my viewpoint but I think there is a huge battle going on for the prairie pothole region of South Dakota. In my mind it's Big Ag vs. Conservation.

If you listen closely when you are talking to Big Ag they will talk like Conservation is in their vocabluary but if you seek the truth you will come to find their talk is smoke and mirrors.

Chris at least you can call a spade a spade. Your issue is with big producers, big family farms. I am sure that some producers of every size that disagree with the CRP. There are some producers of every size that do the right thing in the conservationist mind. One of largest producers in my SD area, farms around 6000, used to try and farm everything and tile/ditch this and that. He gave that up a few years ago because he found out he could not win. He even has some CRP grass waterways that he has put in. He farms what he can and leaves what he can't. My 80 year old neighbor who farms about 300 acres was pulling out a fence this fall. Does that make him evil because he his sick of getting old barb wire caught in everything? No he is sick of the pain in the but that an old fences creates and wants to plant another row of corn. I pull out fences too, they are a pain in the but.

I am glad the way you farm and manage your ground works for you in your area. Lets be honest the reason you can make a go of it is because of CRP payments and $700 a gun hunters. In our area we could not make a go of putting farm able ground in CRP. The land cost/rent is to high and the ground is too productive, I don't have a gazillion pheasants either. You can't put your lens of what farming should be like and look at every other producer through it. It does not work for them and it would not work for the american farm industry.
 
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One of largest producers in my SD area, farms around 6000, used to try and farm everything and tile/ditch this and that. He gave that up a few years ago because he found out he could not win. He even has some CRP grass waterways that he has put in. He farms what he can and leaves what he can't.

Mike, this is what i am talking about. It's called the law of diminishing returns.

Nature will reclaim her own but Big Ag tends to push the envelope till the dam breaks. Goes all the way back to the dust bowl days and probably farther bac than that and yes it applies to Iowa just like South Dakota. Nature applies in Iowa as well.
 
Coot I think you might be misguided on who actually owns the farms out there. Over 90% are family owned operations. Yes some have entered into marketing agreements with Tyson to insure a profit. The arrival of the hog confinement made possible by some of these agreements has been way better for the environment that outside hogs. Not to mention less use of grain and safer pork. No we don't have hogs. We milk but no one owns our soul. Family farms have gotten bigger no doubt and if people failed to grow with the industry they got left behind. I think the term is called economy of scale. I'd love to hear some specific examples about how these big ag companies have brought us to ruin and have a reasonable conversation if that is possible.



Chris at least you can call a spade a spade. Your issue is with big producers, big family farms. I am sure that some producers of every size that disagree with the CRP. There are some producers of every size that do the right thing in the conservationist mind. One of largest producers in my SD area, farms around 6000, used to try and farm everything and tile/ditch this and that. He gave that up a few years ago because he found out he could not win. He even has some CRP grass waterways that he has put in. He farms what he can and leaves what he can't. My 80 year old neighbor who farms about 300 acres was pulling out a fence this fall. Does that make him evil because he his sick of getting old barb wire caught in everything? No he is sick of the pain in the but that an old fences creates and wants to plant another row of corn. I pull out fences too, they are a pain in the but.

I am glad the way you farm and manage your ground works for you in your area. Lets be honest the reason you can make a go of it is because of CRP payments and $700 a gun hunters. In our area we could not make a go of putting farm able ground in CRP. The land cost/rent is to high and the ground is too productive, I don't have a gazillion pheasants either. You can't put your lens of what farming should be like and look at every other producer through it. It does not work for them and it would not work for the american farm industry.
Tax $ and 700.00 a gun is greed. If they take my taxes I should get to hunt for free. They dont like it then dont take my money. Welfare on a big scale;):(
 
Let's see now, taxpayer cash for not planting, plus more cash from pay-hunters = pretty good deal eh?

thats why the country is broke and tons of states asking for more of my tax $

If farmers want to charge for hunting then they need to foot the over head like I do in my biz. I f I double dip I would be in jail for fraud.;)
 
Hog confinment are better on the envirment. Boy you really drank the kool aid:D Have you ever seen the dnr do a ground water test on the building it's a joke. Ever notice the best way to apply the manure is the cheapest way. It's awesome you think it's ok to ruin someones quility of life. Everyone loves to smell pig sh*# 24/7. What about the sicknesses people get? Thats ok we're #1 in hog production. What about the roads they destory? And all the Illegal immigants thats ok more for the one boss. I see your point I'm wrong theres no big Ag.
I agree that 90% of row crop farms are family owned thats great row crop farmers seem to steer away from the would be big ag companies. I know around here cargill gets the boot when they try. But it's coming 20000 to 30000 acre corn farms are just east of here.
Ok Crp is funded by the tax payers. Don't cry when we farmers tile every wet and farm every sand hill. Move the cities out of the flood plains that'll be cheap for the tax payers. rents are high right now so crp payments will be high it cycles. Why do you want to ruin a gov't program that actually works. To save a tax dollar. I'm sure the gov't will figure out how to spend two for ever dollar you save in crp.
 
Hog confinment are better on the envirment. Boy you really drank the kool aid:D Have you ever seen the dnr do a ground water test on the building it's a joke. Ever notice the best way to apply the manure is the cheapest way. It's awesome you think it's ok to ruin someones quility of life. Everyone loves to smell pig sh*# 24/7. What about the sicknesses people get?

I am not saying that they smell like roses. But it is better than outdoor lots with runoff going every where. My neighbor has 20000 hogs under roofs on a about 15 acres. Can you manage the runoff and stink if they were in open lots.

Ok Crp is funded by the tax payers. Don't cry when we farmers tile every wet and farm every sand hill. Move the cities out of the flood plains that'll be cheap for the tax payers. rents are high right now so crp payments will be high it cycles. Why do you want to ruin a gov't program that actually works. To save a tax dollar. I'm sure the gov't will figure out how to spend two for ever dollar you save in crp.

We put in a few acres of CRP ourselves this year. My original statement was that I would be willing to do away with CRP if it was part of a REAL plan to reduce fed spending.
 
Mike, this is what i am talking about. It's called the law of diminishing returns.

Nature will reclaim her own but Big Ag tends to push the envelope till the dam breaks. Goes all the way back to the dust bowl days and probably farther bac than that and yes it applies to Iowa just like South Dakota. Nature applies in Iowa as well.

Your correct that nature tends to respond similar in my neck of the woods but economics do not. What you view as a sustanible system of agriculure might be economically viable in your area but not in mine.
 
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I see both sides. The better the farm ground the more it will tolerate abuse. Iowa, I believe I read somewhere, leads the nation in poor water quality, and erosion loss of farmground. Let's be real, in a normal spring you can't even keep parts of Ames and Des Moines from being underwater! What are the costs of that as compared to a couple of rows of corn or beans? South Dakota is more able to be farmed sustainablly because the ground terrain, moisture, weather, and soil, for the most part is less forgiving, and nature won't tolerate the abuse, and will put you out of business. In Iowa a farmer will have an investmrent in his ground of 5,000 to 10,000 per acre, inputs for corn are approximately $300.00 per acre not including debt service and or cash rent. Even at 200+ bushels per acre, and 7.00 a bushel corn, that's a lot of risk. Concentrated hog and chicken "factories", are and will continue to be an enviornmental issue, not unlike the coal fired power plants, which Missouri, and now Kansas continue to authorize, or the mountain top mining, which destroys entire ecosystems. Again it comes down to sacrifice on someones part, ideally everyones part, but who volunteers to go broke first, or live without electricity,even though it kills the air quality and trees east of the Mississippi, or plant grass instead of intensely farm the upper midwest even though a chemical brew continues to grow an oxygen starved dead zone in the Gulf. We can add the entire high plains as well, as they continue to deplete the Ogalla Auqifer with irrigated corn where buffalo grass should grow. Maybe CRP isn't perfect, but there has to be some incentives as well as an economic cushion to ease us toward sustainability. It has to come from the Federal Government, which should have the foresight and national vision to do what makes sense for the entire country. I don't claim that as true currently, we have no statesmen, men or women with the stature and conviction to vote for what's right nationally, rather than pander to local lobby and big donors, who like things the way it is, and don't give a tinkers damn about damage or pollution a few hundred miles away. Now we have all benefitted from cheaper food prices with the current policy, we are now begining to suffer the consequences of our willingness to ignore and defer any measures which would add cost, reduce income, and place us on a sound footing going forward. It will require the same type of sacrifice, rationing, and commitment it took to defeat the Great Depression and win WWII. I personally, as one of the spoiled generation myself, question if we are up to it, until nature forces a calamity upon us, for our foolish ways.
 
Your correct that nature tends to respond similar in my neck of the woods but economics do not. What you view as a sustanible system of agriculure might we economically viable in your area but not in mine.

I agree that 25% above par works and 25% below does not. I have just learned this year that areas in prime pheasant land are below par too so just like your area so you are not so different. I cannot convince the owners at several of my pheasant camps to put CRP in becuase of this issue. You're not alone.
 
Chris Lets be honest the reason you can make a go of it is because of CRP payments and $700 a gun hunters. In our area we could not make a go of putting farm able ground in CRP. The land cost/rent is to high and the ground is too productive, I don't have a gazillion pheasants either.

Mike, that's not the case at all. I could be totally passive and rent out all my ground charge same rent as I get for CRP and incur no costs for equipment, repairs and other costs and come out exactly the same as I do by being in the hunting business with crops which would be the same as being in the cattle business and crops.

You could do it too except you would have to charge $1,400/gun instead of $700;)
 
thats why the country is broke and tons of states asking for more of my tax $

If farmers want to charge for hunting then they need to foot the over head like I do in my biz. I f I double dip I would be in jail for fraud.;)

Bob, how can you have this in your signature

(Bobby G., Socialism works great until you run out of other people's money..
The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. - Benjamin Franklin)

and then say somebody is being greedy and unlawful when they are in perfect right of the law and far from greed? Sounds like the American Dream going on to me?
 
Mike, that's not the case at all. I could be totally passive and rent out all my ground charge same rent as I get for CRP and incur no costs for equipment, repairs and other costs and come out exactly the same as I do by being in the hunting business with crops which would be the same as being in the cattle business and crops.

Are you saying that the amount you receive in CRP payment alone is the same you would get on a crop share lease?

You could do it too except you would have to charge $1,400/gun instead of $700;)

That is my point sir.
 
Tax $ and 700.00 a gun is greed. If they take my taxes I should get to hunt for free. They dont like it then dont take my money. Welfare on a big scale;):(

I don't think you can say Chris is being greedy. The market will pay what he gets and his CRP payment is perfectly legit. I may not agree with him on some issues but I do not think calling him greedy is fair.
 
I don't think you can say Chris is being greedy. The market will pay what he gets and his CRP payment is perfectly legit. I may not agree with him on some issues but I do not think calling him greedy is fair.

He's hogging all the pheasant:mad: So he's got to be greedy:D

Watched some news today before it put me to sleep two senaters where talking about gov't waste in all programs. Has it ever occurred to them that they would save the tax payers a ton of money if they would actually go thourgh these programs and get rid of the wasteful stuff. Remember the days of the 5000 dollar hammers:eek:
 
I would like to respond to the big ag companies and put a face on them. One way is to watch a movie called Food, Inc.

http://www.amazon.com/Food-Inc/dp/B002UZ5CHO/ref=pd_sim_atv_2

I love eating pheasants and even take more value in that after watching the movie. I'm glad to have started deer hunting and adding deer to my diet. All we have to do is educate ourselves and others on food production. I believe this will lead to a monumental change in ag production in the future.
 
I would like to respond to the big ag companies and put a face on them. One way is to watch a movie called Food, Inc.

http://www.amazon.com/Food-Inc/dp/B002UZ5CHO/ref=pd_sim_atv_2

I love eating pheasants and even take more value in that after watching the movie. I'm glad to have started deer hunting and adding deer to my diet. All we have to do is educate ourselves and others on food production. I believe this will lead to a monumental change in ag production in the future.

PA, I watched it and recommend it to all here. We also eat about 95% wild game for meat. Farm chickens direct, venison, pheasant, turkey and fish. I like knowing where it comes from and I get first hand knowledge of processing. We process all our our venison except for maybe some sausage and brats/dogs.
 
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