Who's buying a Class A season pass?

My expectations are tempered but I'm with enzinn and Newman. The dogs and I will be out there for our self inflicted punishment and I expect to see some birds, maybe even a few with color in range.:cheers:
 
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It seems like there is more than enough money to buy birds if they want to. It requires a non-profit make the proposal and to manage it but that seems to be a perfect thing for a sportsman's club or Pheasants Forever chapter. Such a proposal has to compete with all other projects but here's DFW's request for proposals. Deadline was in March.
Private game bird clubs would throw a hissy however as the state would be in direct competition with them and there may even be a law against doing so. Game bird clubs used to offer something that was a lesser experience than wild bird hunting on the wild life areas so that may be a stumbling block since they'd be the same.


Upland Game Bird Account Grants: Proposal Solicitation Notice

The California Department of Fish and Wildlife (CDFW) is soliciting grant proposals from qualified non-profit organizations in the following subject areas:

Restoration or Enhancement of Upland Game Bird Habitat
Wildlife habitat restoration or enhancement projects on lands that are open to the public for upland game bird hunting opportunities. Projects of this type include, but are not limited to, the following examples:1

Restoration of habitats following wildfire;
Enhancement of habitats by controlling invasive, non-native plants and restoring diverse habitats that benefit upland game birds;
Innovative projects that help support upland game bird survival and reproduction during drought;
Maintenance of existing and/or construction of new water source (eg guzzlers, spring development) projects.
Expanding Public Hunting Opportunity, and related Public Outreach

Projects that promote hunter recruitment and retention;
Projects that improve understanding of trends in hunter participation.
Research

Projects increasing the Department's understanding of drought and climate related stressors to upland game birds and their habitats, including wildfire and invasive species.
Innovative application/development of contemporary methods for estimating upland game bird population size, distribution and trends.
Grant Information/Proposal Submittal Instructions:
A total of up to $350,000 of Upland Game Bird Account (UGBA) funds will be available for grants under this Proposal Solicitation Notice (PSN). Only those projects with annual budgets between $10,000 and $100,000 will be considered for funding. Multi-year projects will be considered but are subject to annual review and approval before each subsequent year's work is implemented. If you have any questions regarding the application process, please contact Craig Stowers, Environmental Program Manager, at (916) 445-3553 or craig.stowers@wildlife.ca.gov

The submission date for proposals to receive funding for this grant cycle is Friday, March 6, 2015. Applications may be submitted by email with the subject line title of "UGBA Grant Proposal" to wildlifemgt@wildlife.ca.gov. Hard copy applications shall be addressed to:

California Department of Fish and Wildlife
Chief, Wildlife Branch
ATTN: UGBA Grant Proposal
1812 9th Street
Sacramento, CA 95811
 
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Looks like some hunts were available for December? The only reason I would go to these would be for the kids or to get work for my dog. That is just me. I prefer wild birds even if I only get one. There is a pheasant club in Newman. To hunt there, they reserve you a field and then go plant the birds in the morning before you go out. The birds flush ok, but they are so out place the dogs can grab them. The second link shows these birds. They look more like chickens released from a cage.



https://cdfgnews.wordpress.com/category/hunting/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoO8kCTQjg0
 
It would be interesting to see if and where that $350K was spent.

The DFG website is an intentional labyrinth. If you click on 'all available hunts' you won't find them. The 6 hunts noted in Merced County are pat of the SHARE Program. The City has a great property they used to let you hunt for $10. DFG has fixed that and now you pay $12 to get in a lottery. Birds released on wild lands soon act wild- or die. Nothing like the put and take businesses or the bird in the video. Enjoy what you can while you can. Our sport is quickly dying in California.
 
Just bought my first two day pass of the season and can't wait to meet up with NewmanCa tomorrow to walk some miles!
 
I want to say thanks to NewmanCA for showing my brother and I around his stomping grounds today, some very birdy cover out there. We moved 3 or 4 huge covies of quail, a spike buck, and a good handful of pheasants before the heat wiped out the dogs. I didn't take any pics but my brother got a rooster and we had a guy cut us off in a field shoot two right in front of us.:( All in all it was a great day in the field.:thumbsup:
 
I want to say thanks to NewmanCA for showing my brother and I around his stomping grounds today, some very birdy cover out there. We moved 3 or 4 huge covies of quail, a spike buck, and a good handful of pheasants before the heat wiped out the dogs. I didn't take any pics but my brother got a rooster and we had a guy cut us off in a field shoot two right in front of us.:( All in all it was a great day in the field.:thumbsup:

Sounds great! Glad you had another enjoyable trip!
 
I want to say thanks to NewmanCA for showing my brother and I around his stomping grounds today, some very birdy cover out there. We moved 3 or 4 huge covies of quail, a spike buck, and a good handful of pheasants before the heat wiped out the dogs. I didn't take any pics but my brother got a rooster and we had a guy cut us off in a field shoot two right in front of us.:( All in all it was a great day in the field.:thumbsup:

I am glad you and your brother came down today. I had a good time. I used to hunt with extended family but over time that died out. Friends can't always make it out so its nice to have you guys out. Glad to see some pheasants. Was a bit concerned due to the dryness. Some good rains will slow them down a bit. I can't believe that guy cutting into the field. Never happened to me like that before
 
Geeze enzinn. When you say administration costs I hear retirement plans and it reminds me of a recent top DFG 'administrator' who took a top position only to essentially bump his checks then retired. But I don't want to rant here- hard to get off that horse.

I just had a conversation with a friend who is pretty active in the DFG scene, participating in junior hunts, family hunts, SHARE Programs etc. He said his son was told they were not going to plant then was told they were- by who? Don't know. Bottom line is the money for those plants doesn't come from DFG (I'm a dinosaur, sue me). It comes from the Game Bird Heritage Foundation. So there is some disinformation floating around.

I bet if you hit O'Neill Forebay at noon Monday you would get on. I'll be back at Willows.

I hear you about not ranting. I probably should not have aired my views. This is a pheasant hunting site after all.

I saw all the cars clustered at O'Neill Forebay on Saturday evening on my way home from some refuge hunting (I actually shot a wild rooster at a refuge!). I am an elitist snob and really only like to chase after wild birds, so you are unlikely to see me with the "clean up crew" after the release of restaurant birds.

Given that I am focused on wild birds, I really would like to see better soil and vegetation at the refuges and wildlife areas. And by better, I mean in a way that benefits the wildlife year round. I don't care how they get it done, I am just weary of all the conversations that touch upon money, political turf and egos.

In the past I used to commit lots of my time and funding to organizations in California and the Monterey Bay that were, in my opinion, constructive. I have been caught up in jurisdictional battles over many issues, some professional, some personal, but I always emerged with my attitude toward our state and local systems intact. I'll never forget my two consecutive terms on a county grand jury - it was a turning point for me as an adult and really jaundiced my outlook. That in turn changed my participation, mainly because I was having a hardcore crisis of faith in my systems. In retrospect, I wish I could have kept up with my constructive attitude.

So it goes. In the meantime, I'll just wade through star thistle, wipe the deet-laced sweat from eyes as I swat mosquitoes, and fervently hope that the bird my dog is trailing is the right color to shoot. Perhaps there will be some form of crappy attitude redemption for me in the act of trying to find wild pheasants in California. :)
 
I hear you about not ranting. I probably should not have aired my views. This is a pheasant hunting site after all.

I saw all the cars clustered at O'Neill Forebay on Saturday evening on my way home from some refuge hunting (I actually shot a wild rooster at a refuge!). I am an elitist snob and really only like to chase after wild birds, so you are unlikely to see me with the "clean up crew" after the release of restaurant birds.

Given that I am focused on wild birds, I really would like to see better soil and vegetation at the refuges and wildlife areas. And by better, I mean in a way that benefits the wildlife year round. I don't care how they get it done, I am just weary of all the conversations that touch upon money, political turf and egos.

In the past I used to commit lots of my time and funding to organizations in California and the Monterey Bay that were, in my opinion, constructive. I have been caught up in jurisdictional battles over many issues, some professional, some personal, but I always emerged with my attitude toward our state and local systems intact. I'll never forget my two consecutive terms on a county grand jury - it was a turning point for me as an adult and really jaundiced my outlook. That in turn changed my participation, mainly because I was having a hardcore crisis of faith in my systems. In retrospect, I wish I could have kept up with my constructive attitude.

So it goes. In the meantime, I'll just wade through star thistle, wipe the deet-laced sweat from eyes as I swat mosquitoes, and fervently hope that the bird my dog is trailing is the right color to shoot. Perhaps there will be some form of crappy attitude redemption for me in the act of trying to find wild pheasants in California. :)

What refuge did you go to? I feel the same way you do. I stick to wild birds. I would rather get one truly wild bird than a bunch of birds that were thrown out the same morning. I did a cleanup hunt once. Those birds are dumb. You have to almost kick them to get them to flush and the dogs can catch them. They do plant some stuff for upland at the refuge I go to. They plant some Mylo and grain. The DFG guy told me that because pheasants aren't a native species, they are a high priority.
 
Hey Calisdad - do you remember the Game Bird Heritage "family" hunts at Fremont Weir in the days of old? They used to manage that property for wild birds and then did draw hunts (I think the quota was 50 hunters, but don't quote me on that). It was like a zoo near the parking lot, but if you hoofed it to the southern and western corner of the property, there was some great wild bird hunting, particularly in the thicker fields of star thistle.

Does anyone remember what the heck happened to that hunt? I asked around a few times after they canceled the hunt, but the answer was always a generalized "not enough money, not enough staff". I didn't chase the answer high enough up the food chain to get a decent detailed response.

The Fremont Weir property is a shadow of its former self today with no real management of the soil and water at all, at least as far as I can tell. The last time I hunted there was about four years ago and it was almost completely devoid of cover, mostly because it had been mowed. Not much in the way of wildlife there at that time.
 
I was hunting at San Luis. Sorry, I think I may have shot the only rooster on the refuge. Nah, just kidding. We kicked up three hens and one rooster for about five hours of walking. My dog is inexperienced, so it is likely that we walked past other scent trails and she just didn't pick it up. There were a couple of other trails that she couldn't work out - birds may have flown prematurely or doubled back on their tracks. In any event, I am heartened by what I am seeing in different places. A little better hatch than last year, slightly moist soil, with green vegetation starting to poke through. Another rain storm may put us into some really nice scenting conditions!

I haven't gone to Salt Slough yet, but I was glassing it from the road and it looks pretty damn dry there. I will probably try it at least once out of habit, but I have lowered my expectations for that place, at least for this year.

It seems like there are a few birds around this year. I'll hit up Mendota later on, some other Grassland refuges and wildlife areas and then head up north to hunt Northern Sacramento. I have been itching to try some of the walk-in areas on the Sacramento River. I am also toying with heading to Lower Klamath over Thanksgiving - it looks like they will be getting cold enough to lock up the water up there, which will reduce the number of duck hunters running around. I haven't been to LKW for years and I am dreadfully curious to see how the cover and birds have fared through the drought up there.

I know what you mean about the managers literally being annoyed with the non-native pheasants, but only for the Federal refuges. Have you encountered that with the state Wildlife Areas? My past experience with the managers at the state Wildlife Areas is that they would love to enhance pheasant production as well as duck production, but there always seem to be a number of insurmountable hurdles that are in their way.
 
Hey Calisdad - do you remember the Game Bird Heritage "family" hunts at Fremont Weir in the days of old? They used to manage that property for wild birds and then did draw hunts (I think the quota was 50 hunters, but don't quote me on that). It was like a zoo near the parking lot, but if you hoofed it to the southern and western corner of the property, there was some great wild bird hunting, particularly in the thicker fields of star thistle.

Does anyone remember what the heck happened to that hunt? I asked around a few times after they canceled the hunt, but the answer was always a generalized "not enough money, not enough staff". I didn't chase the answer high enough up the food chain to get a decent detailed response.

The Fremont Weir property is a shadow of its former self today with no real management of the soil and water at all, at least as far as I can tell. The last time I hunted there was about four years ago and it was almost completely devoid of cover, mostly because it had been mowed. Not much in the way of wildlife there at that time.

I've had that on my list of places to at least try a day. I've heard that it's pretty dismal. I've never gone because I've stuck to the places I know I have at least a small chance! Maybe it's amazing and everyone says it's garbage to protect their honey hole!
 
Healthy uplands benefit a multitude of species (including waterfowl) so they should get some attention every once in a while.
 
I was hunting at San Luis. Sorry, I think I may have shot the only rooster on the refuge. Nah, just kidding. We kicked up three hens and one rooster for about five hours of walking. My dog is inexperienced, so it is likely that we walked past other scent trails and she just didn't pick it up. There were a couple of other trails that she couldn't work out - birds may have flown prematurely or doubled back on their tracks. In any event, I am heartened by what I am seeing in different places. A little better hatch than last year, slightly moist soil, with green vegetation starting to poke through. Another rain storm may put us into some really nice scenting conditions!

I haven't gone to Salt Slough yet, but I was glassing it from the road and it looks pretty damn dry there. I will probably try it at least once out of habit, but I have lowered my expectations for that place, at least for this year.

It seems like there are a few birds around this year. I'll hit up Mendota later on, some other Grassland refuges and wildlife areas and then head up north to hunt Northern Sacramento. I have been itching to try some of the walk-in areas on the Sacramento River. I am also toying with heading to Lower Klamath over Thanksgiving - it looks like they will be getting cold enough to lock up the water up there, which will reduce the number of duck hunters running around. I haven't been to LKW for years and I am dreadfully curious to see how the cover and birds have fared through the drought up there.

I know what you mean about the managers literally being annoyed with the non-native pheasants, but only for the Federal refuges. Have you encountered that with the state Wildlife Areas? My past experience with the managers at the state Wildlife Areas is that they would love to enhance pheasant production as well as duck production, but there always seem to be a number of insurmountable hurdles that are in their way.

I can speak for grizzly island and say the biologist said the hatch looked a lot better than last year. We hunted there today and there were a lot birds flushing way ahead of us. One flushed and double backed head on into my buddy and he shot it. The dang thing literally landed 5 feet away from him. Nice fat wild bird. I'm optimistic about the rest of the season. They've also plowed strips in the pheasant fields. They are pro upland and I'm happy to see things going this way.
 
I was hunting at San Luis. Sorry, I think I may have shot the only rooster on the refuge. Nah, just kidding. We kicked up three hens and one rooster for about five hours of walking. My dog is inexperienced, so it is likely that we walked past other scent trails and she just didn't pick it up. There were a couple of other trails that she couldn't work out - birds may have flown prematurely or doubled back on their tracks. In any event, I am heartened by what I am seeing in different places. A little better hatch than last year, slightly moist soil, with green vegetation starting to poke through. Another rain storm may put us into some really nice scenting conditions!

I haven't gone to Salt Slough yet, but I was glassing it from the road and it looks pretty damn dry there. I will probably try it at least once out of habit, but I have lowered my expectations for that place, at least for this year.

It seems like there are a few birds around this year. I'll hit up Mendota later on, some other Grassland refuges and wildlife areas and then head up north to hunt Northern Sacramento. I have been itching to try some of the walk-in areas on the Sacramento River. I am also toying with heading to Lower Klamath over Thanksgiving - it looks like they will be getting cold enough to lock up the water up there, which will reduce the number of duck hunters running around. I haven't been to LKW for years and I am dreadfully curious to see how the cover and birds have fared through the drought up there.

I know what you mean about the managers literally being annoyed with the non-native pheasants, but only for the Federal refuges. Have you encountered that with the state Wildlife Areas? My past experience with the managers at the state Wildlife Areas is that they would love to enhance pheasant production as well as duck production, but there always seem to be a number of insurmountable hurdles that are in their way.


I was talking to one of the DFG workers that manns the Kesterson Check Station. We are talking about state refuges. He said that pheasants are not priority at the refuges because they are non-native and much more effort goes into ducks. Glad you saw something at San Luis. I ran into a guy Saturday who said he hunted San Luis the first day and saw nothing. I really like hunting San Luis. I used to scare a lot of pheasants there. It gets overlooked. What I really like about San Luis is the cover isn't bad to walk through and the fields are broken up by the tree lined creeks. There is also a fenceline along some of the property. Opportunity to close in the pheasants a bit more. You go to those big open fields like at Salh Slough and the roosters are just going to run far ahead of you. I believe there are more birds in our area this year. But with the dry conditions the birds are just running far ahead.
 
I was talking to one of the DFG workers that manns the Kesterson Check Station. We are talking about state refuges. He said that pheasants are not priority at the refuges because they are non-native and much more effort goes into ducks. Glad you saw something at San Luis. I ran into a guy Saturday who said he hunted San Luis the first day and saw nothing. I really like hunting San Luis. I used to scare a lot of pheasants there. It gets overlooked. What I really like about San Luis is the cover isn't bad to walk through and the fields are broken up by the tree lined creeks. There is also a fenceline along some of the property. Opportunity to close in the pheasants a bit more. You go to those big open fields like at Salh Slough and the roosters are just going to run far ahead of you. I believe there are more birds in our area this year. But with the dry conditions the birds are just running far ahead.

I am sorry to hear that the powers that be frown upon pheasant production. Too bad, because the habitat that supports a good pheasant hatch also supports a good duck hatch.

I know what you mean about Salt Slough. I usually end up hunting along the edges of heavy cover or tules there. Actually, a week into the season here in California, I pretty much use that tactic no matter where I am pheasant hunting. I don't know if it works just because we can pin the birds where the cover pinches out, or if the birds are actually holding in the thicker cover. In the end it doesn't matter - I hunt with a Lab and I cannot outrun either a pheasant or a Lab. So I hunt in cover where none of us have to run fast and make it a game of guessing where the dog will flush the bird. It is probably no surprise to hear that the bird wins more often then I do at the guessing game. :rolleyes: Now if I could just get my young Lab to figure out that if you wade deep into the tules, you will find the crazy chickens running around in there!

Chance of rain is forecast for later this coming week. I am fervently hoping for some moisture, because the ground is starting to dry out. The storms are supposed to bring colder temps and winds, which will certainly dry out the soil if there is no rain with it. So lets hope it rains. At least it is forecast to be lows around 35 degrees and highs in the 50s later in the week. That might knock the mosquitoes down a little bit and make it a little cooler for the dogs to run.
 
Hey Calisdad - do you remember the Game Bird Heritage "family" hunts at Fremont Weir in the days of old? They used to manage that property for wild birds and then did draw hunts (I think the quota was 50 hunters, but don't quote me on that).

Actually they didn't manage it at all. Those hunts were an opportunity to hunt land that the DWR owned but that DFG has now added to land they have a 50 year lease on for a Class C wildlife area. The wildlife area used to be between the river and the weir with the stuff further to the south being the special hunt property. The hunts were conducted at a time when there were pheasants in lots of places including there. They limited the hunts to two a year as I recall and now you can hunt there all you want because there just aren't any birds. When that place used to flood yearly it apparently added to the pheasants taking a dive. It hasn't flooded in several years but when you have no seed stock you won't get anything. It just stopped making sense to have limited access and special hunts when the results got so bad.
 
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I've had that on my list of places to at least try a day. I've heard that it's pretty dismal. I've never gone because I've stuck to the places I know I have at least a small chance! Maybe it's amazing and everyone says it's garbage to protect their honey hole!

Only one way to find out. Pound the ground with that boot leather!
 
Just back from Willows. Guys- my dogs don't check the pedigree of the birds they flush. They don't care and because they are getting action, either do I. While I agree that a 'put-n-take' bird isn't the smartest creature, if it survives the coyotes for a week you are going to have a hard time telling it from a native. I don't care for football, not going to sit on the couch and I've got 2 well bird dogs that need and enjoy work. It's just a joy watching them learn and get excited.

Just today my 6 year old got a nose full of bird. He searched a weed strip high and low- no bird. He went over it 4 times and still smelled the dang thing. BING! A light went on! Check the other side of the trail! BINGO! You can't buy that.

Never hunted Fremont Weir. Salt Slough can be fun. It does have fields of cockle/thimble burrs. I hate them. I won't hunt them if I can avoid them. It's just not worth the trouble cutting them out and the pain it must put the dog through.
 
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