UPH gun dog challenge

How would you control not having a wild bird get flushed and shot?

Would there be water retrieves involved?

I'm not sure too many states, if any would allow this on public ground.

Myself. I'm thinking only a shooting preserve/game farm would be the only option. In that case. I'm sure you wouldn't be allowed to bring your own birds.

In Minnesota these are the rules on dog training

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/permits/enforcement/dog_training.pdf

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/regulations/hunting/2010/full_regs.pdf

page 102

Dogs: Dogs are permitted on WMAs only when accompanied by
or under the control of the owner. From April 16 through July 14,
dogs must be on a leash. A person training a dog on a WMA may
not use live ammunition or blank cartridges, including the use of
blanks in dummy launchers or similar devices.

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Dog Training
A person may not train hunting dogs afield on DNR administered
lands from April 16 to July 14. A person may train hunting dogs afield
on other lands.
A person training a dog afield and carrying a firearm may only have
blank cartridges and shells in possession when the season is not open
for any game bird, except by permit. An organization or individual may
obtain permits to use firearms and live ammunition on domesticated
birds or banded game birds from game farms for holding field trials
and training hunting dogs.

South Dakota

http://gfp.sd.gov/hunting/docs/huntinghandbook.pdf

Under general hunting general rules

Dog Training
No person may kill or capture any wild game birds
while training or running a dog except during open
seasons. Using pen-raised birds to train dogs is
permitted with certain restrictions:
â?¢No person may train dogs on wild game birds
from Apr. 15-July 31 statewide
From Aug. 1 through the Friday preceding the third
Saturday in September, a person may train a dog
for the purpose of locating, pursuing or pointing
wild game birds on publicly-owned land or on public
road rights of way with the following restrictions:

â?¢No more than four dogs may be trained in any
one day. In addition, a person may not use or
carry a shotgun or rifle during training
â?¢The dog(s) must be owned by the person
conducting the training and not offered for sale
â?¢The owner of the dog may be assisted in the
training if the owner is present
â?¢No motor vehicle, horse or any other conveyance
may be used
â?¢However, a person who otherwise qualifies to
train dogs on public lands may use a horse for
dog training on public lands until Noon central
time on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays from
the first Friday of August to the first Sunday of
September, inclusive, with authorization of the
government agency that manages the public
land.
â?¢For complete rules write to Game, Fish and
Parks Permits; 20641 SD Hwy 1806; Fort Pierre,
SD 57532
â?¢In addition to state rules, federal rules prohibit
dog training year-round on federal refuges and
Waterfowl Production Areas
Dog Requirements
Dogs being brought into South Dakota are
required to have a health certificate from their local
veterinarian indicating that all shots are up-to-date
and they are disease-free animals. Dog owners
who have any questions concerning requirements
may call the Animal Industry Board at
605.773.3321.

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Just a bunch of good old guys getting together can be tough these day. I'm not trying to rain on anybodies parade. I think it's a great idea and could be a fantastic time but the rules may make it financially and physically near impossible

Onpoint
 
Sounds restrictive onpoint. In California I can plant and shoot birds 365 days a year. If its a non-game species plant away. If its a species that we have a season on (Calif. quail, pheasant, chukar etc.) then you have to mark them. A string on a leg is sufficient. I just use coturnix quail. (30 for $100)

I've participated in a few NAGDA shoots. Here are their rules: http://www.nagdog.com/rules.html One of the rules is to have fun so the rest may apply as well.

As far as a place, I'd bet any local pheasant club would host the event then you've got the place, planters, birds and licenses covered.
 
FCSpringer said:
I would like to see you can run a steady or non steady dog what ever you want. No requirement for steady. At least flushers. Pointer guys will have an idea that will work for them. Say steady point but on flush no big deal.
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I know what you mean but I also know many folks who would not even think of showing up.

Not sure it's any different for flushers either, is it?

Take a spaniel trained and worked to Field trial levels. Is a handler going to be OK with his dog in the same field as another who just runs wild, ignore's hup, steals retrieves, etc.? Some go with the school of thought that a problem avoided is a problem you never have to deal with.
 
tmrichardson said:
I know what you mean but I also know many folks who would not even think of showing up.

Not sure it's any different for flushers either, is it?

Take a spaniel trained and worked to Field trial levels. Is a handler going to be OK with his dog in the same field as another who just runs wild, ignore's hup, steals retrieves, etc.? Some go with the school of thought that a problem avoided is a problem you never have to deal with.
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Why are you in a field with another? Is it not a timed event?
 
FCSpringer said:
I am starting to believe this is not possible. I'm out.
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FC, I in no way wanted to discourage you from putting what is meant to be a good time. I just wanted to point out some of the road blocks. I wouldn't want you to go though all the work of getting something set up and find out late in the plans that all the hard work you have done was for nothing because of rules put forth by state, federal or local laws.

I could tell you about putting on draft horse events. Getting together with just a bunch of farmers and plowing and doing feild work, has turned into insurance issues, state Vet laws and rules about organized events. Spectator issues, Etc, Etc, Etc. It's a G-D shame I tell ya!!! Lawyers and revenuers have caused this. It's ok as long as you pay us money first.
 
onpoint said:
FC, I in no way wanted to discourage you from putting what is meant to be a good time. I just wanted to point out some of the road blocks. I wouldn't want you to go though all the work of getting something set up and find out late in the plans that all the hard work you have done was for nothing because of rules put forth by state, federal or local laws.

I could tell you about putting on draft horse events. Getting together with just a bunch of farmers and plowing and doing feild work, has turned into insurance issues, state Vet laws and rules about organized events. Spectator issues, Etc, Etc, Etc. It's a G-D shame I tell ya!!! Lawyers and revenuers have caused this. It's ok as long as you pay us money first.
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This had nothing to do with you You can get permits. Most states have you tag or put ribbon on your birds to identify them. You also clear the field first with a couple dogs.It only needs to be a small acrage, not 40. But I got private messages that will keep me out.
 
FCSpringer said:
This had nothing to do with you You can get permits. Most states have you tag or put ribbon on your birds to identify them. You also clear the field first with a couple dogs.It only needs to be a small acrage, not 40. But I got private messages that will keep me out.
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That's too bad. I know you had everybody's best interest at heart
 
Yea I do think it was a nice idea. Probably the easiest way to do it is to find an existing shooting preserve with a skeet/trap or (more likely these days) sporting clays set up to work with.
 
Agreed - Too Many Rules

kansasbrittany said:
Whoa....I hope our meet and greet in Dodge doesn't become this difficult:rolleyes:

Who cares if a guy brings a dog w/ a collar? Is this for some sort of large jackpot or national breeder's title?

If anyone ever wants to put something similar and SIMPLE together where everyone shows up wearing what they want to, count me in if it is "centrally" located in a place like NE or IA. If people want to have their dogs on shock collars, cords, pulling sleighs.......it doesn't matter to me. I doubt a huge # of people would be willing/able to show up anyway.

FCSpringer,

Don't you live on the S side of MN?
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Too many rules. There are plenty of trials that are loaded with rules for people who want to compete with a lots of rules to invoke and cite. I just want to show up for a little fun competition and camaraderie. Shock collars, one hunter-one dog teams cool with me, etc.
 
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OK after encouraging PM's,I need thicker skin. But all I was pleading is to stick with the idea. We need to have an event with collars some how so everyone feels like it is for them.It can work. Also it is a competition, not training, we all can train anywhere, I don't think it is feesable to drive 3 states for training. I sugest we have two divisions, Pointing dogs, and flushing dogs. A comitee needs to be formed for each.
Who wants to be on a comitee?

The comitee's will form rules and Put them up. We need a treasurer willing to take entry fees and do a drawing of the running order. This person needs to be responsible. They will take funds, order the Award and 1st,2nd, 3rd & 4th place ribbons. Also will be responsible to pay with the entry money for birds. Any proceeds left should go to a charity. We can post or nominate charitys and vote on them. Every entry gets one vote.

Some one needs to come up with a place. It has to have two fields close that are about 7-10 acres. It can be one big field we can just use two oppisite ends of.

Someone who wants can clean birds and have a cook out, charge a small fee for the meal or whatever. This is also a comitee.

When we decide on a location who wants to be steward of the beat? handel the local laws and apply for permits.

These are the basic things that need to have a name attatched to it to make it work. Without these basic needs we are sunk.

I will be on the flushing comitee.
 
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thats to bad FC maybe I can get started down here and you could attend this one the only problems I am foresieng is the huiman competitors not the dogs we as humans tend to make things hard and overthink things all we need are the basics 1 a place to hold the event 2 peaple interested pros or not 3 money for birds which will come from everyone sighning up the fee for entry is however many birds each person is shooting 4 peaple willing to get off their my dog is better than everyone elses and finally a disclaimer that everyone will sign or they will not participate simple as that please reconsider you opting out decision
 
Gove County Britts said:
thats to bad FC maybe I can get started down here and you could attend this one the only problems I am foreseeing is the human competitors not the dogs we as humans tend to make things hard and over think things all we need are the basics 1 a place to hold the event 2 people interested pros or not 3 money for birds which will come from everyone sining up the fee for entry is however many birds each person is shooting 4 people willing to get off their my dog is better than everyone Else's and finALly a disclaimer that everyone will sign or they will not participate simple as that please reconsider you opting out decision
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I al ready have. Yes another good point. Once a location is ironed out. Will it be OK to just have everyone Sign a waiver, just in case we trip and roll an ankle or shoot your own ding ding off.

We put on trials 4 times a year. With any where from 60- 80+ dogs, it is not that tuff, it just takes a few commitments. Our Akc club has liability insurance. So this is a concern. Any thoughts, and is a land owner or preserve owner willing to accept waivers?
 
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not sure maybe that is were the close connection between the hunter and land owner who have dealt with each other for years comes to play but on the same hand you don't have to participate if your going to be pissed if you get hurt thats what the waiver is for saying that you will not pursue any type of legal or other action in the case of accident or injury to you or your dog once you sign it then it becomes legal and binding this way everyone is covered
 
Ken, on your meal. I would suggest a pot luck type meal. If there are to many people for a pot luck, those that don't bring a dish make a donation to a fund to be given to the Farmer for use of his land and to buy birds. I don't like the beer idea at all. There is always some of the guys that just cannot until things are done to start drinking. That is when accidents happen. I would just ban the beer and be done with it........Bob
 
tmrichardson said:
Yea I do think it was a nice idea. Probably the easiest way to do it is to find an existing shooting preserve with a skeet/trap or (more likely these days) sporting clays set up to work with.
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Any one in the cincinnati area wanting to put on a friendly outing I own 45 acres and I have plenty of quail (no charge). Place is set up with nice cover. Plus all the farm land in my area I can run on it as well. Just a thought.
bobby g:)
 
I can help clean birds. I would like to do a pot luck. You always get great food that way. I would need a location and date. Lets have a sign up of who wants to go and pick a middle point for all the best we can. And as far as a date go's pick one and either it works or not.

Glad your going forward with it FC.:thumbsup:
 
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