Question for you setter guys
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Prairie Drifter
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Both Tomoka and Private Ryan are Smith setters! They are nice!
KATroutman13
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Oh man ... you've caught the bug. One guy mentioned that you are a pointer guy and based on your many posts on this board, I am going to assume that you know your pointers. Picking a setter, in my opinion, will be easier than picking a pointer, mainly because there are not as many folks raising setters as there are pointers. I think, because of pure numbers it's easier to filter through the good and the bad or the what you want/don't want. So that's good. Now to answer your questions.
I shave my dogs in late April or early May and shave them about once every 3 weeks after that to keep them cool on our summer runs. I then shave them one last time at the beginning of September. Their coats will be short for warm days in September, but will be long enough to handle the cooler (or downright cold days) on our October Montana trips.
It's hard to say what the "bigger running lines" are any more because the really good all age setters have been bred to a lot of different bitches -- some very good, some not so good. Here's what I've observed.
I've seen Jetsetter dogs bred to Gridiron -- those dogs ran big and fast. The "knock" from what I've heard on Jetsetter pups is that they are very hard headed and its hard to keep from losing them. Having a big running dog is one thing, having a big running dog that will handle is another. I can't confirm this or not, but I've heard it from a couple of dog people -- horseback and walking trial guys.
I've watched several young shadow oak bo pups -- they run big, they seem to handle well and man do they have some freaking style. There's one little dog that was about 15 months old who looked fat. My buddy pulled her out of the box in Montana and I joked that he just brought her up there to get into shape. She ran like the wind for over an hour and looked like a million bucks on point. I'd have to double check, but I think that these dogs were Shadow Oak Bo X Carpenter's Last Jett (http://www.carpentersenglishsetters.com/dog_Cindy.html)
I've had a lot of exposure to Hytest Skyhawk pups as well. One of my dogs is out of Hytest Skyhawk X Carpenter's Last Jett. He's a really nice dog a big runner who will adapt to heavy cover, but as one farmer who was watching me the other day observed -- that dog looked like he was going to take that fence row for miles and he will. I slogged to a 465 yard point earlier this season that involved nearly 10 minutes of mud-skating through a cut corn field. He held -- so did the birds. Needless to say, I am impressed with this dog.
I've observed a couple of Hytest Skyhawk X Barker's Blue Horizon and these may have been the nicest setters that I've ever hunted behind. They were both young in Montana this year, but had their heads on straight, big runners with impeccable style. If you look at the Carpenter's Kennels website, these two are "Duke" and "Hank."
I've been out of the dog purchasing arena for a couple of years now, but I found that in our area there are a lot of breeders who are looking to breed the absolute best. Give Jason Patty of Skyview Setters a call. For a while there, he was hitting a few dogs that were competing on the all-age circuit, even had one qualified to Ames. Give Larry Carpenter a call at Carpenter's Kennels -- he's a buddy of mine and very helpful.
Scott and Ben Berg are two folks that could not be more helpful in the english setter world -- and they've got red dogs for you too! They are Berg Brothers Setters in Minneapolis. I have a dog out of Berg Brothers Jack and Berg Brothers Blazin Bess who's a really nice dog that's developed quickly and as he gets into his prime will likely be a very good bird dog. He does not run as big as some of the others, but considering what some folks call "big" (not sure where you fall in) he's plenty big enough at 100 to 300 in CRP and 500 - 600 in open country/running lines.
I don't think that Alan Worth breeds dogs but he runs a lot of Hard Rappen dogs and they are impressive. I believe his War Hawk dog won the National Championship in NBHA last year and that dog is of Wild Wings breeding.
I shave my dogs in late April or early May and shave them about once every 3 weeks after that to keep them cool on our summer runs. I then shave them one last time at the beginning of September. Their coats will be short for warm days in September, but will be long enough to handle the cooler (or downright cold days) on our October Montana trips.
It's hard to say what the "bigger running lines" are any more because the really good all age setters have been bred to a lot of different bitches -- some very good, some not so good. Here's what I've observed.
I've seen Jetsetter dogs bred to Gridiron -- those dogs ran big and fast. The "knock" from what I've heard on Jetsetter pups is that they are very hard headed and its hard to keep from losing them. Having a big running dog is one thing, having a big running dog that will handle is another. I can't confirm this or not, but I've heard it from a couple of dog people -- horseback and walking trial guys.
I've watched several young shadow oak bo pups -- they run big, they seem to handle well and man do they have some freaking style. There's one little dog that was about 15 months old who looked fat. My buddy pulled her out of the box in Montana and I joked that he just brought her up there to get into shape. She ran like the wind for over an hour and looked like a million bucks on point. I'd have to double check, but I think that these dogs were Shadow Oak Bo X Carpenter's Last Jett (http://www.carpentersenglishsetters.com/dog_Cindy.html)
I've had a lot of exposure to Hytest Skyhawk pups as well. One of my dogs is out of Hytest Skyhawk X Carpenter's Last Jett. He's a really nice dog a big runner who will adapt to heavy cover, but as one farmer who was watching me the other day observed -- that dog looked like he was going to take that fence row for miles and he will. I slogged to a 465 yard point earlier this season that involved nearly 10 minutes of mud-skating through a cut corn field. He held -- so did the birds. Needless to say, I am impressed with this dog.
I've observed a couple of Hytest Skyhawk X Barker's Blue Horizon and these may have been the nicest setters that I've ever hunted behind. They were both young in Montana this year, but had their heads on straight, big runners with impeccable style. If you look at the Carpenter's Kennels website, these two are "Duke" and "Hank."
I've been out of the dog purchasing arena for a couple of years now, but I found that in our area there are a lot of breeders who are looking to breed the absolute best. Give Jason Patty of Skyview Setters a call. For a while there, he was hitting a few dogs that were competing on the all-age circuit, even had one qualified to Ames. Give Larry Carpenter a call at Carpenter's Kennels -- he's a buddy of mine and very helpful.
Scott and Ben Berg are two folks that could not be more helpful in the english setter world -- and they've got red dogs for you too! They are Berg Brothers Setters in Minneapolis. I have a dog out of Berg Brothers Jack and Berg Brothers Blazin Bess who's a really nice dog that's developed quickly and as he gets into his prime will likely be a very good bird dog. He does not run as big as some of the others, but considering what some folks call "big" (not sure where you fall in) he's plenty big enough at 100 to 300 in CRP and 500 - 600 in open country/running lines.
I don't think that Alan Worth breeds dogs but he runs a lot of Hard Rappen dogs and they are impressive. I believe his War Hawk dog won the National Championship in NBHA last year and that dog is of Wild Wings breeding.
Nice info troutman. I think my idea of a nice range for a dog is the same as yours. That's about the range of my young pointer most of the time.
I don't "know" pointers really at all but do know if I got another he would have a ton of nickel blood in him lol.
I need to hook up with someone sometime and hunt with some setters.
I don't "know" pointers really at all but do know if I got another he would have a ton of nickel blood in him lol.
I need to hook up with someone sometime and hunt with some setters.
KansasCowboy
Member
Geez with all the trimming, shaving, and tangled mess of cockleburs do you guys even have time to hunt? Sounds like taking a women with all the prep work. Just get a GSP already. :cheers:
All in good fun I hope everyone knows! Setters are very beautiful dogs and the ones I look forward to seeing at every dog show. Almost look like they glide/hover on the ground. Nice thread
All in good fun I hope everyone knows! Setters are very beautiful dogs and the ones I look forward to seeing at every dog show. Almost look like they glide/hover on the ground. Nice thread
My 5 months old pup, been working him on some quail this week.
I like his look! :thumbsup:
Jakeismydog2
Member
He sure looks sharp Steve. It could just be the angle of the picture but he looks like he is already bigger than Indy. Is that right?
Prairie Drifter
Well-known member
He's nice Steve!
Toad
Active member
:laugh: :thumbsup:
I swore I would never get another long haired dog, but did anyway. I think they're just too damn cute is the problem...
I used to curse every time I gave our dogs a trim, but ever since I followed some excellent advice on this forum and bought horse trimmers, it is a reasonably quick and painless process. 20 minutes tops to make my brittany look like a tiny german shorthair. :laugh:
Handsome dog, Steve.:thumbsup:
Whats the difference between normal dog clippers? The set I have cost a little over $100 and after buying another composite $30 blade works pretty good - I just havent found anything to cut very well around the toes or ears. The clippers work - problem is their size and getting the dog to hold still - she doesnt like the buzzing around the head or having her feet messed with very much.
Toad
Active member
The horse trimmer I bought has a slightly higher guard and wider gaps between the blades. It goes through like butter, and runs cooler too.
Junie was terrified the first time, but now she just lays down and acts like it's a massage or something.
I'll clipper her belly and legs, and sneak a foot in whenever she gets really relaxed. If she starts squirming from the foot shave, I'll go back to the belly or side until she relaxes again and kinda zones out.
Hope that helps.
Junie was terrified the first time, but now she just lays down and acts like it's a massage or something.
I'll clipper her belly and legs, and sneak a foot in whenever she gets really relaxed. If she starts squirming from the foot shave, I'll go back to the belly or side until she relaxes again and kinda zones out.
Hope that helps.
When I bought the ceramic blade (think thats what it was) it was advertised as running cooler -- before I used to experience the unit getting too hot problem you talked about.
May have to look at horse clippers anyways.
Thinking I may clipper my dog tonight - supposed to be 60 tomorrow and am going to try and get a prairie chicken or two -- need her to run a lot and not get hot.
SetterNut
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Indy is taller than Tuck by maybe 2.5", but Tuck is a pretty big boy already at over 30 lbs.
From last night on more quail
kscountryboy11
New member
Man I sure wish my setter looked like yours setternut. He's just plain white with a couple very faint brown specks on his face. Boulder trade him for the world tho! Tried to upload a photo but I'm not sure how. Only thing about him that I don't like is he curls his tail a little bit when on point instead a good straight up stuff tail. But he sure does a heck of a job
