New Farm Bill

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Man, there has been absolutely zero new CRP acres to work with in last 6 months. I am sure bunches are still coming out.

I hear farm bill plays second fiddle behind the fiscal cliff.

Maybe they will get something figured out so we can get some new CRP program acres this spring or summer which of course would require a new farm bill. I'd rather see it delayed and get it right as farm as food stamps and crop insurance reform goes.
 
Certain folks want everything cut. I see they have even blocked hurricane relief for folks on the east cost, not to mention the sportsman's act, billions in cuts to medicare and social security. I think their bent on running the economy in the ground and crashing the country myself.

Food is the new oil. Their are those that don't want or like CRP. They want every acre there is under till. With a world market, ever rising world population and commodity prices higher then they ever been. That spells one thing profit for the those who are heavily invested in these markets. CRP and other habitat programs are sure to take a back seat to the big money involved in today's markets.
 
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Certain folks want everything cut. I see they have even blocked hurricane relief for folks on the east cost, not to mention the sportsman's act, billions in cuts to medicare and social security. I think their bent on running the economy in the ground and crashing the country myself.

Food is the new oil. Their are those that don't want or like CRP. They want every acre there is under till. With a world market, ever rising world population and commodity prices higher then they ever been. That spells one thing profit for the those who are heavily invested in these markets. CRP and other habitat programs are sure to take a back seat to the big money involved in today's markets.
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Food supplys have rarely been an issue. People in different parts of the world go hungary because they don't have the funds and resources to buy what is already produced.

Where the real evil takes place is when those with poltical influence create artificial demand in order to profit off of unneccesary production. They do this while hiding behind the standard "we are feeding the world" or "energy independance" propaganda and do so at the the expense of our land, water and environment.

Without poltical shennanigans I don't see how food as the "new oil" can be economically sustainable. Is it really more effecient to produce a bushel of wheat in a rural Dakota county, truck it to a rail station, rail it to a port and then sail it to a foreign country only to be railed and trucked again to a foreign user than it is to prepare and teach that culture how to produce the wheat themselves?
 
I did see in the Kansas City paper, yesterday, that there was growing concern that the Obama administration wants to cut the farm bill for the crop insurance subsidy! Complete refusal to fund the part of the program which gives you payment for selected crops you don't grow! Around a 9 billion dollar supplement to reward farmers to drain wetlands, and expand that "tillable" acres, and sell us 8.00 corn. If it's so good, let the farmers pony up bucks and pay for it. Somebody was alert enough to see that. The rural lawmakers are concerned! They are afraid that farmers will quit using the crop insurance. Good! After all some of the lawmakers are in the million dollar club of farm subsidies and are funded by pacts that are related. I won't name them, it's easy to find out. I did not see any curtailment of CRP, But subsized ADP payments look gone. there was a dove tailed whack at food stamps, school lunches, it's amazing to me that in our district, you can get reduced school lunches if you are in the $40000.00 tax range per year in a family of 5! if you apply. Seems like at that point you could manage to scrape that up yourself, and send it. What is even more amazing, Farmers rail against food stamps, school lunches, all of which are funded through groceries bought from American farmers, and provides a sizable buffer for farm income! Making purchases in surplus and reduce inventories, which makes you food cost higher. When you figure out how they are afronted by that let me know!
 
We are broke

Like it or not we are broke . We don't have the money we used to. The only part of the farm bill the current administration really supports are food stamps. Money for conservation isn't on their radar expect for the EPA's effort to stop things like oil pipelines and refinary expansion.
IMO if we ever go to the popular vote instead of the electoral collage the farm states can kiss their influance good bye as well as any farm subsidies.
 
I can't speak for all farmers but I just wish food aid of whatever kind would be called what it is "food aid". We here about all the money that is in the farm bill but the vast majority is food aid. What ever part of the farm bill that actually is spent on the farm program should be called just that. I have two sons that think thay want to start farming. They probably need some crop insurance help. Maybe that should last ten years and then stand on your own. We need to spend less money including agriculture.
 
Chip said:
Like it or not we are broke . We don't have the money we used to. The only part of the farm bill the current administration really supports are food stamps. Money for conservation isn't on their radar expect for the EPA's effort to stop things like oil pipelines and refinary expansion.
IMO if we ever go to the popular vote instead of the electoral collage the farm states can kiss their influence good bye as well as any farm subsidies.
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We have plenty of money coming in, we are just spending a lot more. We need to cut spending, but I am not sure that the people in charge will do it. They are move interested in spending money on people to keep their votes.

IMO if we ever go to the popular vote instead of the electoral collage the farm states can kiss their influence good bye This is spot on.
 
Well if there is any kind of step forward to do real farm bill reform then the delays will be worth it.

We need a lot of reform all over the place. Companies are forced to reinvent themselves all the time. Why not our government?
 
haymaker said:
I can't speak for all farmers but I just wish food aid of whatever kind would be called what it is "food aid". We here about all the money that is in the farm bill but the vast majority is food aid. What ever part of the farm bill that actually is spent on the farm program should be called just that.
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I think it was Vilsack so said that out of all 400 and some odd congressional districts only 50 are agricultural. If the food aid and farm aid are not combined we would never get a farm bill.
 
The Senate passed a farm bill and Obama said he would sign it. The obstacle? The Republicans in the House. Write 'em and email 'em if you want a farm bill passed.
 
moellermd said:
I think it was Vilsack so said that out of all 400 and some odd congressional districts only 50 are agricultural. If the food aid and farm aid are not combined we would never get a farm bill.
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I suspect that is true, I just get tired of hearing about all the money in the farm bill.
 
Kansas Bound said:
I will be emailing to show my support it does not pass. Enough is enough.
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Amen.

Central planning has never worked anywhere or at anytime it has ever been tried in the world.

What those of you who want a farm bill, who want the government to pick and choose winners and loser, who want the govt to dictate who should plant and how many acres are advocating is nothing short of the same nightmare the soviets tried for 75 years with horrible effect.

Stop ethanol, stop the subsidies, stop the govt "insurance".

Nobody ever will because the politics will never allow it. Politicians gain and hold power by redistributing wealth from those that earn it to those that vote for them. That is why we have a tax code that is 1000s of pages long. By the way, if you go to the US Government Printing Office ( www.gpo.gov ), you can order a complete set of Title 26 of the US Code of Federal Regulations (that's the part written by the IRS), all twenty volumes of it, at the bargain price of $974, shipping included!

According to the US Government Printing Office, it's 13,458 pages in total. The full text of Title 26 of the United States Code (the part written by Congress--available for an additional $179) is a mere 3,387 printed pages, bringing the adjusted gross page count to 16,845.

That is complete insanity.
 
Man wishful thinking would seem to be we can get beyond the fiscal cliff and get some kind of farm bill framed by Pheasant Fest so Vilasack can come and announce a crapload of CCRP program acres we can tap into to offset all the expiring acres. We should be well under the cap of the 2012 farm bill by then.
 
I think it was the NY times that i was reading a few weeks ago that said there are two versions of the farm bill drafted but democrats are saying they wont vote for either because one cuts food stamps by like some 4 billion and the other by 12 i believe. Also one cut out insurance. And farmers were against it because its a security blanket. I dont have a securtiy balnket why should they. Direct payments sound like there gone. I'll try to find that article and post the link.
 
With 1/2 or better of Congress owning farms, you can be assured there will be some kind of farm bill in 2013. However, even though it willl be loaded with subsidies for all of their "pet" projects, CRP acres will likely be cut back severely. The price of corn is just too high compared to CRP payments.....
 
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With 1/2 or better of Congress owning farms, you can be assured there will be some kind of farm bill .
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Really? The Enviornmental Working Group, a leading opponent of direct payments, only identified 23 how received direct payments. Were did you read 50 percent?
 
moellermd said:
Really? The Enviornmental Working Group, a leading opponent of direct payments, only identified 23 how received direct payments. Were did you read 50 percent?
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Off course there are wives, son-in-law, brothers, etc., etc. I can name more than 23 who fit this description who vote on the bill where family involvement in agriculture helps the bottom line, and their re-election committee. It's true of medical bills, ethanol legislation, and even their own salaries.
 
http://www.startribune.com/185454242.html

Minn. Rep. Peterson says he won't craft farm bill extension without assurance it will get vote
Article by: STEVE KARNOWSKI , Associated Press
Updated: January 2, 2013 - 4:48 PM


MINNEAPOLIS - Minnesota U.S. Rep. Collin Peterson said Wednesday he's so upset that Congress passed only a short extension of the 2008 Farm Bill that he won't work on a new version without assurances from congressional leaders it will get a vote.

The full House never took a floor vote on a five-year farm bill that passed out of the House Agriculture Committee in July with bipartisan support from Peterson, the ranking Democrat on the panel, and its chairman, Rep. Frank Lucas, R-Okla. The plan was projected to reduce spending on Agriculture Department programs by $35 billion over 10 years. But Speaker John Boehner said it didn't have enough votes to pass because some Republicans wanted to see deeper cuts to food stamps.

Peterson told The Associated Press he and his staff were writing to Boehner and other House leaders expressing frustration over what he called lack of respect for the committee's hard work. He said he would demand a guarantee that if the committee passes a farm bill in 2013, it will be allowed to come to the floor where representatives can fight out any disagreements over the details.

"If they will not give me that assurance, I am not interested in writing a farm bill," Peterson said.

Peterson said he discussed his frustrations with Lucas and that Lucas told him he couldn't write a farm bill without Peterson's support.

Lucas wasn't available for an interview but issued a statement saying the extension gives farmers the certainty they need to plan and allows the congressional agriculture committees to keep working on a five-year farm bill.

The bill passed Tuesday night to avert the tax increases and spending cuts known as the "fiscal cliff" extends current farm bill programs for just nine months and averts a potential spike in milk prices that could have happened if the current dairy program had been allowed to expire. It does not contain a broader overhaul of dairy policy that Peterson authored, which was in both the House committee's farm bill and the version that passed the full Senate with bipartisan support in June.

Agriculture committee leaders in both chambers tried to get a comprehensive five-year farm bill along the lines of the House and Senate bills included in the final fiscal deal, but their arguments that it would actually help cut federal spending went nowhere. The committees will have to start over this year.

Peterson predicted Congress may end up passing a series of one-year farm bill extensions if nothing changes.

"All I can say is we did our work. And we were disrespected. And that's not how government is supposed to operate," Peterson said.
 
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