Maybe new trespass laws and waterfowl tags for Non-Res

UGUIDE

UGUIDE

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Reading agweek today, I learned that the new trespass law was approved unanimously. I believe that law now enforces a 1- year loss of license for persons caught trespassing. Anything that improved the prevention of trespassing I am for.

I saw there was another bill to give GFP the authority to issue more non-resident waterfowl tags based on the harvest goals, depredation issues and number of species available. This has been a big issue for our hunters as we allow waterfowl hunting for free but lottery success is only about 50%. Not sure where that bill is at.
 
Trespassing bill was moved to 41st day(dead) today in committee. Waterfowl licence increase was defeated in full house a couple of weeks ago.
 
Chris,

As a non resident hunter, I'd be willing to pay more for a 5 day bird and a guaranteed 5 day waterfowl license.....we travel a long way and it would be well worth the money to know you'll get shots......you can only hope that at least one if not both types of hunting will be productive......We appreciate what the residents have to endure when it comes to us non resident hunters being there. That being said I'm sure most guys making the drive would agree that it would be money well spent for a 5 day combo
 
Terry, I agree. Pretty hard to get landowners to manage for ducks when the hunters they have coming in can't even get a tag to hunt them (unlike ND where they can be gotten over the counter).

I don't understand legislation but the more I look into it the more my stomach turns.

I'm told this is 60 year old legislation.
 
Well, I'm not much on the rule of loosing ones hunting privileges for a year. I think each time we put another rule such as this on the books. It brings us closer to the very countries we use our military to liberate. I think we are better people then this and should be able to deal with such a minor infraction between ourselves. This having the cops on redial for every little thing is costing this society it's ability to reason with one another.
 
onpoint said:
Well, I'm not much on the rule of loosing ones hunting privileges for a year. I think each time we put another rule such as this on the books. It brings us closer to the very countries we use our military to liberate. I think we are better people then this and should be able to deal with such a minor infraction between ourselves. This having the cops on redial for every little thing is costing this society it's ability to reason with one another.
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I am sorry to disagree with you again but it is not always a little thing. A friend of mine found some hunters on his land stopped and took a picture of the license plate and the walked out to talk to the hunters. When he got there he told them they were on the wrong land and they should leave. One of the hunters stuck his shotgun in his chest and told him he would be leaving. Those guys should never be able to touch a gun or fishing rod again after they get out of prison after a 50 sentence that in my opinion they should have recieved. If I had a dollar for every tresspasser I caught not to mention the ones that I didn't, we could go eat steaks.
 
haymaker said:
I am sorry to disagree with you again but it is not always a little thing. A friend of mine found some hunters on his land stopped and took a picture of the license plate and the walked out to talk to the hunters. When he got there he told them they were on the wrong land and they should leave. One of the hunters stuck his shotgun in his chest and told him he would be leaving. Those guys should never be able to touch a gun or fishing rod again after they get out of prison after a 50 sentence that in my opinion they should have recieved. If I had a dollar for every tresspasser I caught not to mention the ones that I didn't, we could go eat steaks.
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In Minnesota we have far less of those issues. We have plenty of public land access. Something maybe South Dakota should explore more. Folks are nice here too. Many times instead of calling the law. I instead take them to some real nice public land. Land they can set up camp and enjoy with out paying a dime to anybody. Many times, it's just a good dad trying to find a place to enjoy some time with his son or daughter.

I once wanted to move to South Dakota. That would never happen now. I realize I live in hunting and fishing paradise with millions of acres at my access for "FREE". Real freedom exists and it's in Minnesota.
 
[ I once wanted to move to South Dakota. That would never happen now. I realize I live in hunting and fishing paradise with millions of acres at my access for "FREE". Real freedom exists and it's in Minnesota.[/QUOTE]

That is funny!! :eek::eek::eek:
 
onpoint said:
In Minnesota we.........

I once wanted to move to South Dakota. That would never happen now. I realize I live in hunting and fishing paradise with millions of acres at my access for "FREE". Real freedom exists and it's in Minnesota.
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Chuck, in case you were lost, this is the South Dakota Forum. If you want to post about issues with Minnesota please do it in the Minnesota forum. Thank you.

There's been no shortage of Minnesotans that have pissed off South Dakota farmers and landowners in the past and could very well be the reason for the proposal for increased trespass penalties.
 
UGUIDE said:
Chuck, in case you were lost, this is the South Dakota Forum. If you want to post about issues with Minnesota please do it in the Minnesota forum. Thank you.

There's been no shortage of Minnesotans that have pissed off South Dakota farmers and landowners in the past and could very well be the reason for the proposal for increased trespass penalties.
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I was talking about South Dakota and I was disagreeing with their "Failed" attempt at passing yet another unfriendly law. Funny, they bitch about us coming out there but have no trouble as long as you bring a pocket full of cash. I was just pointing out we are lucky in my state we don't have such issues. I'm glad that the elected found it just to kill such a bill. Not always do people trespass on purpose. Taking their hunting rights for a year seems a bit extreme. If you don't want people to step foot on your ground that bad. That says something about a persons demeanor. Kind of reminds me of the movie "Open Range" We don't take kindly to free grazers. Apparently things haven't changed much over the last 120 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5dfPZIcH7k
 
On the trespassing: SD has two, knowing trespass which does equal bigger fine and loss of hunting privelage for a year (the vast majority of these are given to residents) unknowing trespass is just a fine and no loss of hunting privelage. This is the most common ticket given out. The SDGFP does not want to lose out on the non resident license fees.

On the free land in Minnesota: As a former resident and current Minnesota land owner, the state income tax and the property tax rates Minnesotans pay vs South Dakota makes that free land not so free.

On the people are nicer in Minnesota: Just like anywhere you have nice people and A-holes.
 
Money well spent. I like to be where I can roam free. We have many friends in South Dakota. Some we hunt with but most we do not. even a majority of the residents are forced to hunt public land. We have two private places we hunt and even one of those you feel the uneasiness in the air. Like this is some kind of omen to the land owner. Your always reminded how much the neighbor is getting to hunt on his. Kind of puts a damper on any enjoyment for me. It's like you are being shamed into paying. when you are suppose to be friends. We help each other back and fourth but hunting is just a understood thing. EVERYBODY PAYS. I'll still help him but I refuse to hunt there anymore. I never asked in the first place. He put the invite out, but then as time went on. it's obvious he was starting to put a price on it. We only hunted there 3 days a year. Even my wife's family doesn't let any family hunt on their place. It's pay...even my wife's mother can't hunt on her own sisters place. She has to ask to hunt elsewhere. I would let any of them hunt my place. That's just the way I was raised and I have far less land then they do. I figure come judgement day. I will have less explaining to do on how i treated others. If I have just one bowl of soup and 5 people. All 5 of us will share it and live another day. You won't find any selfishness in me. You stop at my house at supper time. No questions asked. You will get a plate and eat with us.

Carry on boys, it's late and this crippled guy needs to try and get a couple hours sleep. God Bless..
 
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Chuck, your pictures are great and remind me of many years I did hunting for free. Waterfowl, pheasants, deer, grouse, fishing, you name it. I did the free thing for 27 years.

THEN, I decided I had had enough of THAT and knew that if I wanted to up the experience I would have to have more control on the acres. That mean't acquisition of private land (PURCHASE). I'm talking pheasants and whitetails here now. (far as I know you can still fish for free just about anywhere).

MEANING, there was a PRICE to be paid for having an above average controlled experience and it required expensive private land.

Why should I have to pay the price for that experience and those that choose to come and share in it NOT?
 
UGUIDE said:
Chuck, your pictures are great and remind me of many years I did hunting for free. Waterfowl, pheasants, deer, grouse, fishing, you name it. I did the free thing for 27 years.

THEN, I decided I had had enough of THAT and knew that if I wanted to up the experience I would have to have more control on the acres. That mean't acquisition of private land (PURCHASE). I'm talking pheasants and whitetails here now. (far as I know you can still fish for free just about anywhere).

MEANING, there was a PRICE to be paid for having an above average controlled experience and it required expensive private land.

Why should I have to pay the price for that experience and those that choose to come and share in it NOT?
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What chaps my hide is, peoples inability to tolerate one another. What's the old saying? “The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. ...

Kind of have to laugh. The people bitching about big brother intruding on their lives. Then wanting big brother to pass a new law, enforced by big brother.

People want the right to carry a gun to protect themselves. Then when they have to deal with a simple problem. They call the cops. Strap the side arm on, approach the person or person's with great respect and discuss things like grown adults.

Another saying

Lord give me patience because if you give me strength I'll need bail money to go with it.

Always better to use patience and respect. If everybody did this. Law enforcement would be twittling their thumbs and we wouldn't need frivolous laws.
 
bigblue

Couldn't agree with you more UGUIDE, I have been going to South Dakota for 12 years to the same location. We pay a guy to hunt his ground and it is very reasonable. Then you have guys who think they can hunt anywhere and when caught say "Oh sorry we didnt know this was private" and we catch the same group about every 3-4 years so you know they do this all the time. If you loose liscense for 1 year that would stop all of it. And by the way reasoning with people who know damn well they should not be were they are makes no sense, these people have already shown they are not reasonable. And the statement about public land that is "free"? How much more do you want in South Dakota, there is plenty of public land for these people to hunt but they chose to go onto private ground instead. Like the old saying goes its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. I dont by either that some people do it by accident, as we all know a seasoned hunter never hunts were he is not sure he can, unless he does not care!
 
I'm a firm believer that the guys who knowingly trespass are the same guys who shoot 15 min before AND after legal shooting times. They will be the same ones that will limit in the morning and then AGAIN in the afternoon and will be over posession limit. They are your poachers. The ethics of the "true sportsman" have long passed the younger generation by. Hunters today feel some sort of entitlement just because they bought a license......I'm all in favor of these people taking a year off from hunting......but to them it's only illegal if you get caught........sad
 
just judging from what I see in the field. I think the trespassing issue is way below what it was 30 years ago. Good Heaven, you gave up trying to run trespassers off, because there was another right behind him! I got encroached on my own farm, hunting quail, only to see a couple of guys and dogs the other way coming down a hedgerow. Deer and Turkey hunters are the worst currently. They are the 2 weekends a year hunters with a highpowered rifle. You know what the minister said about the two weekend, Christmas and Easter, parishoners! Err go the slack bed-wetter, two weeks a year hunter. He figures he will be gone and the devil with the details he leaves someone else to deal with ever after!
 
I worked hard for what I have put together. Gave up alot of my life in time to figure out a way to make the money to pay for the land. I am very proud of what I have and ain't in the mood to share it with anybody that just happens to be wanting to hunt. If you don't like it tell it to the judge because I'm pressing charges if you tresspass on my land.
 
I don't know why but when I saw the headline on this article I had to chuckle.

"Officials Encourage Hunters to Shoot More Geese" BUT

We can't let non-residents have anymore tags....HA!

Article cites that state spent $700,000 is canada goose depredation issues and over $4.3 million since 2000.

http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/event/article/id/77285/group/Outdoors/

Here's a novel idea. Give out tags to hunters that want to hunt, raise money from license sales, solve over population issues, everybody happy.....except the residents that just don't want non-residents to have anymore tags.
 
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