How about a 2 bird limit???

Thanks for providing that link Soonerhead. It addresses exactly the problems brought up here. It is extremely interesting to pull up aerial photos of the same section from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's etc. and compare the changes in timber and crop field size. Both these changes have had a devastating effect on our quail and pheasant populations. Also looking at the changes in crop rotations, range management, and the shift away from summer-fallow wheat farming will show why we are where we are.
 
kansasbrittany said:
:10sign:Thanks for sharing. I believe you just told us why, the turkey habitat was swapped for the quail habitat. That's great news either way!!
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90% of the habitat still screams TURKEY. They just aren't here right now for some reason.

Thanks for the info on the quail, guys.
 
kansasbrittany said:
Imagine the possiblities....
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If only I owned more than 2 acres around the house...:( Much of it is steep hillside too, so chopping down all the trees to improve quail habitat seems like a bad idea, especially for my neighbor down below. He probably wouldn't appreciate having my front lawn slide through his kitchen window.:rolleyes:

But we've been doing some habitat projects out at the farm too. It would be exciting if it would support a covey and maybe even a pheasant one day.:thumbsup: I've been doing my best to thin out the deer herd but that's not going so well.:eek:
 
Toad said:
If only I owned more than 2 acres around the house...:( Much of it is steep hillside too, so chopping down all the trees to improve quail habitat seems like a bad idea, especially for my neighbor down below. He probably wouldn't appreciate having my front lawn slide through his kitchen window.:rolleyes:

But we've been doing some habitat projects out at the farm too. It would be exciting if it would support a covey and maybe even a pheasant one day.:thumbsup: I've been doing my best to thin out the deer herd but that's not going so well.:eek:
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Man, that was some REALLY good info from that link. Answered a ton of questions I had. It totally answers a lot of the questions I had about quail in my state too.
More importantly, I think it helped to finally almost kill that dang Residents only thread! Hehe :D Now...if only I could come up with something to help end that one about Maynard's rain dancin' out at the Ponderosa...haha
 
I don't know Soonerhead, with the rain we've had lately,I'm bettin' Maynard has some suntan where the light don't usually shine!!!:) I'm pretty sure Jim Pitman put that condensed FAQ section together on quail. He's doing a good job!
 
Prairie Drifter said:
I don't know Soonerhead, with the rain we've had lately,I'm bettin' Maynard has some suntan where the light don't usually shine!!!:) I'm pretty sure Jim Pitman put that condensed FAQ section together on quail. He's doing a good job!
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Couldn't agree more! If you know him, tell him he's doing a GREAT job...I'm sure those guys never hear that.
 
Everything that I have read as well says it all depends on hens. One rooster services many many hens. Hens are the key.

Now lets talk ducks. Please lower the limit to 3! I'm tire of all the "duck commanders" out there. Remember the slim pickin days when the limit was 2 greenheads? Barely anyone in the marshes back then. I loved it. :cheers:
 
Yeah, Duckn. I had more duck hunters first thing today on the area than I had bird hunters. I had 8 loads of duck hunters on the limited acres left in the lake. There were groups directly across from one another shooting at each other. I found a pond that the ducks had found the millet in and sent my son and his bud there tonight. They came home with 12. That on top of a rooster apiece further west on private. Dang, that boy doesn't know how good he has had it!
 
Lower the limit and you'll get less nonresident pheaseant hunters. Restrict opening week to residents only and you'll get less nonresident hunters. That will put a dent in F&G's budget.
 
Honestly can't understand this nonsense! A great quote we should live by!! " If you build it they will come" Now if Ma Nature can help out a little better, no worries!!! I would like to see some factual evidence where Roosters were completly shot out of any area!!!!! Then we will talk!!
 
I agree entirely with the quail limit being lower especially if that same covey gets hit several times over a few days or weeks. You are taking both sexes.
A single rooster pheasant will service many hens but lowering the limit to one will discourage all us non-resident license holders from coming to kansas for sure. And the Kansas Wildlife Dept likes our money. Having the higher limit doesn't affect the reproduction factor.
 
1fun37 said:
I agree entirely with the quail limit being lower especially if that same covey gets hit several times over a few days or weeks. You are taking both sexes.
A single rooster pheasant will service many hens but lowering the limit to one will discourage all us non-resident license holders from coming to kansas for sure. And the Kansas Wildlife Dept likes our money. Having the higher limit doesn't affect the reproduction factor.
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Lowering the limit would discourage out of state hunters from coming to Kansas?

What's the general consensus on this, outta-staters?

That's interesting to me really. Is it really that much about the killin'?
 
The size of the bag limit or daily limit is like the carrott in front of the horses nose! It draws people in !! It is why Colorado touts it has the largest elk herd!!! Money, money, money! But, most are disappointed when they are unsuccessful. I have never taken more then 2 quail on any trip and maybe 1 time during the season I will limit on Roosters!
 
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That's why pheasant hunters are not flocking to IA,IN,IL,OH,MN,MO.
They built a Cabela's in Mitchell,SD.
If I'm driving a thousand miles and I can shoot 4 birds in one state and 3 in another and populations, public ground, and pressure is equal, I'm going to the state with a 4 bird limit. NE or SD, SD wins every time, 15 vs 12 bird limit. They get my money for motels,resturants, and misc..
 
Personally, I could care less whether the limit is 4 or 3 or 2. I have reached the stage where it's about the experience, not the kill total. I freely admit that was not always the case in my younger days. someone already said it, it's about public perception. Sounds like there is a bird under every bush, and lures in the out of state hunters. Have to think a lower daily and pocession bag would limit hunter numbers some. I hope not at the expense of quail!!!! I we shift the pressure to quail, I don't think they can stand it. Missouri has had a 2 bird limit for years, many times I've shot my two and been satisfied. I may have shot a 4 bird limit in Kansas 2 or 3 times in 40+ years. Quite a few 3bird limits, in various states. Kansas used to be a 3 bird limit. I don't want to let a chance go by to urge the delayed quail opener west of 81 like the old days, it sure takes the heat off the quail from intense pressure and big groups. They are even talking lower limits and shorter seasons in Texas to save whats left of the quail.
 
steele said:
Is it really that much about the killin'?
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That's why pheasant hunters are not flocking to IA,IN,IL,OH,MN,MO.
They built a Cabela's in Mitchell,SD.
If I'm driving a thousand miles and I can shoot 4 birds in one state and 3 in another and populations, public ground, and pressure is equal, I'm going to the state with a 4 bird limit. NE or SD, SD wins every time, 15 vs 12 bird limit. They get my money for motels,resturants, and misc..[/QUOTE]

I would guess that pheasant hunters don't folk to those states not because of the limits, but because of the fact that those states don't have a lot of birds. But I haven't hunted in any of them so... I couldn't say for sure.

As for me personally, I'd go to the state that would give my dogs the most bird contacts, not the state that let's me kill or shoot the most birds.
 
V-John said:
That's why pheasant hunters are not flocking to IA,IN,IL,OH,MN,MO.
They built a Cabela's in Mitchell,SD.
If I'm driving a thousand miles and I can shoot 4 birds in one state and 3 in another and populations, public ground, and pressure is equal, I'm going to the state with a 4 bird limit. NE or SD, SD wins every time, 15 vs 12 bird limit. They get my money for motels,resturants, and misc..
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I would guess that pheasant hunters don't folk to those states not because of the limits, but because of the fact that those states don't have a lot of birds. But I haven't hunted in any of them so... I couldn't say for sure.

As for me personally, I'd go to the state that would give my dogs the most bird contacts, not the state that let's me kill or shoot the most birds.[/QUOTE]

+1. A number of factors determine where I will travel to, but the limit is not one of them.
 
+1. A number of factors determine where I will travel to, but the limit is not one of them.[/QUOTE]

Why carry a shotgun? Every time you shoot a bird there will be less birds for your dog to point. Carry a camera.
If a dog points/flushes a rooster I think most people will shoot at it. The larger the limit the more possibilities of a dog getting to work. It's all about the dog work. Part of the dog work is retrieving, especially finding cripples. In all my pheasant hunting I never seen a guy run dogs without a shotgun during the season.
Sounds good, noble, ain't buying it and the F&G knows it. They bank on it. If SD drops the possession limit from 15 to 12, they lose possibly 20% of income from the restaurant/motel business. Kansas is smart by having a 4 bird limit.
If I shoot 2 birds and the limit is 3, I'm still hunting. If at the end of the day I have 2 birds in the bag and didn't get the limit, it's still a great day. Shooting a limit means the end of the day.
 
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steele said:
+1. A number of factors determine where I will travel to, but the limit is not one of them.

Why carry a shotgun? Every time you shoot a bird there will be less birds for your dog to point. Carry a camera.
If a dog points/flushes a rooster I think most people will shoot at it. The larger the limit the more possibilities of a dog getting to work. It's all about the dog work. Part of the dog work is retrieving, especially finding cripples. In all my pheasant hunting I never seen a guy run dogs without a shotgun during the season.
Sounds good, noble, ain't buying it and the F&G knows it. They bank on it. If SD drops the possession limit from 15 to 12, they lose possibly 20% of income from the restaurant/motel business. Kansas is smart by having a 4 bird limit.
If I shoot 2 birds and the limit is 3, I'm still hunting. If at the end of the day I have 2 birds in the bag and didn't get the limit, it's still a great day. Shooting a limit means the end of the day.
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You didn't see me then yesterday. Second day of the season, I carried a blank gun and a camera. I had a good time, conditions were tough to say the least. I didn't fire a single shot yesterday. I had four dogs on the ground yesterday for five hours probably and they were spent. In fact, I hunted the entire early chicken season only carrying a blank gun and a camera. My buddy Steve (Setternut) carried the gun.
I've done it plenty last year, and probably will do it some this year.
In fact, I PM'd another fellow on this board (who was very helpful) about going to another state, to run dogs on birds there, carrying a camera and blank gun.

If I was so worried about limits and killing then I'd go to a preserve. Or I have a buddy who sells quail. Or, I could even probably get Steve to toss a frozen chicken in the air and I chould shoot it.

Here's a few pictures from yesterday though.

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This is Radar. He came into the rescue program that I'm a part of and I was fostering him. I decided to keep him, and he's proved to be a very quick learner, and I was proud of him. This was his very first point on wild birds.

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Riley on the right, Grady backing on the left.

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Riley

You don't see a tailgate shot though. Why? Cause there weren't any birds shot.
 
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