Here's what unbridled big Ag can do

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Two years of record rains, followed by knee jerk reactions by those with other interests. Lead to the only water continuing to feed the Salton Sea was farm run off. A resort and fishing paradise in the 50's and 60's. Now a waste land toxic sea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atgg7t4XbPk


The cost of the clean up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=F_0ujf54gmo

Lake Andes in South Dakota tells much the same story. Artisan wells that fed the lake were sealed and only farm run off continues to feed the lake. A feed lot on the far north end of the lake has cattle fenced right to the lake with pure cow manure/piss running into the lake Also includes several other feed lots/operations that have killed all fish but Carp and Bull Heads.

Here's what it looked like at one time at the Salton Sea
 
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Rest Haven Resort on Lake Andes South Dakota. This one of several artisan wells that fed the lake, now all sealed with concrete.

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Lake Andes in South Dakota tells much the same story. Artisan wells that fed the lake were sealed and only farm run off continues to feed the lake. A feed lot on the far north end of the lake has cattle fenced right to the lake with pure cow manure/piss running into the lake Also includes several other feed lots/operations that have killed all fish but Carp and Bull Heads.

Lake Andes is a NWR maybe the Feds will do something--but I doubt it--SAD:(
 
Looks like a pretty good example of what "producers" are willing to do, left to their own devices and good will. Looks like it's time for the enviornmentalists to bite back, kind words and understanding seemingly taking a backseat in effecting some reasonable balance. Would a manure plan and a buffer zone be to much to ask? How bout some redistributed water rights based on historic reference.
 
Interesting information. It would appear that the problem with the Salton Sea was created in the 1960s. I thought those were the days that all the "Big Ag" opponents wanted to return to?

Lake Andes and its watershed have been managed by the FWS since 1939. It is my understanding that the artesian wells were re diverted in 1973 due to an outbreak of duck viral enteritis .
 
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Interesting information.

Lake Andes and its watershed have been managed by the FWS since 1939. It is my understanding that the artesian wells were re diverted in 1973 due to an outbreak of duck viral enteritis .

Yes the wells were sealed because of open water all winter long and waterfowl that wouldn't leave became too thick and they had a die off. That doesn't change the fact of feed lot operations on the lake and near by running in the lake and causing the lake to be bacteria filling and silted in with animal waste. There is a group working to try and restore the lake to one of South Dakota's top fishing destinations. The lake once had giant Perch, Bass, Northern and hand sized Blue Gills.

Here's a little history of what once was on Lake Andes in South Dakota
http://www.southdakotarockandrollmusicassociation.com/feature/resthaven.htm
Feature of the Month
"Rest Haven - Lake Andes, SD "
Written on 3.29.09

This is the third edition of the Feature of the Month for the South Dakota Rock & Roll Music Association. We are rock and roll fans, and looking to write a feature each month, that will not only bring back wonderful memories, but will also remind us all of the history that was made in our great state of South Dakota. We are hoping to write a feature each month selecting one of the many talented Bands, DJ's, Radio Stations, and Dance Halls throughout SD.

In 1914 some small cabins were built on the shore of Lake Andes. They were rented out to families for weekends and other times during the summer months. A short time later a dance hall was built on pilings in the water and was reached by taking a walk on a 700 foot long foot bridge, which must have been both an adventure and a challenge. This was called Rest Haven.

A storm demolished Rest Haven in July of 1922 but a man named Henry Miller purchased some land on the lake in an area about three and one half miles east of the town of Lake Andes He built some cabins and later added a hotel with a dance hall complete with a concrete veranda. A swimming pool was added at a later date. This proved to be a very popular destination as people came from all over the Midwest. There was fishing, boating, swimming, camping, hunting and of course some of the best entertainment in the state, including Lawrence Welk.

Dances were held at Rest Haven every Friday night as well as other times. As it's popularity grew it was not uncommon to see a long line of people at the door. In the early years it was the orchestras and big bands that provided the entertainment but in the late fifties rock and roll arrived on the scene and was the new rage. Residents claim that crowds were sometimes so large and so rowdy that as many as eight cops were on the grounds.

In 1984 Barney Kelly was the owner of Rest Haven. Although it was past its glory days there were still dances, roller skating and hotel guests. Unfortunately Rest Haven was a victim of a fire that destroyed this historic icon on Lake Andes.

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Now it just smells like manure and stagnate water. The powerful cattle industry fights all efforts to clean up the lake. Why? They know what is right and what is wrong but choose to be profit driven and polluter instead. Only caring about few things like the price of beef and how cheap they can raise them. How many more great water sheds will be ruined because of their ill handling of their business? All of them if not rained in by laws and enforcement...because we ALL know they will do nothing if continued to be unchecked or not held accountable. Funny, if the poison was running out of pipe at a factory producing toxic waste and making their cattle sick. These cattle folks would want something done about it but as long as it runs out of a pipe under the tail of cows standing shoulder to shoulder in 12" of piss filled mud on the edge of a lake. There's no issue.

Minnesota implemented rules to clean up the Minnesota River because of feed lot operations and it has helped tremendously. Lets do what's right South Dakota. Clean up Lake Andes and other water ways from these feed lots.
 
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Interesting information. It would appear that the problem with the Salton Sea was created in the 1960s. I thought those were the days that all the "Big Ag" opponents wanted to return to?

Lake Andes and its watershed have been managed by the FWS since 1939. It is my understanding that the artesian wells were re diverted in 1973 due to an outbreak of duck viral enteritis .

Your a little early. The improvements made to enviornmental law really got a grip in the very late 60's. We were still using DDT until about 1968. No mined land reclamation till about the same time. Ditto clean water and air standards. Your "producers" managed to turn the entire southern plains into a wasteland in the 20's and 30's, using one and two bottom moldboards pulled by mules and horses. Ushering in the first manmade natural disaster, and threatening the health of the majority of Americans. One could fairly state that population wise, and economically the southern plains have yet to recover. This seems to be the model favored by the rest of the country today, corn after corn, more chemicals, more fertilizer, more passes over the field with heavier and bigger equipment. Most big farmers I look at financially would be better of using 4 row equipment and farming a smaller acreage, when it comes to the bottom line. Instead they run ahead of the bulldozer, scrounging for nickels, virtual slaves to green paint, the local elevator, seed dealer, and chemical peddler, the only ones by the way making any real money in this whole scheme.
 
raising crops or livestock it is the anything for a buck nature of the producers that's the problem! i hunt n/n.w. ia. a lot it's the best cover in the state. moellermd stray away from home base maybe you'll see more of the problems:thumbsup:. farm fields that stray into the grader ditches,waterways cutaway to nothing,and hillsides plowed that should simply be pasture ground. they should be held accountable for what they pollute like any other BIG BUSINESS. just because they own the land doesn't mean they can pollute the world around them. :cheers:
 
Well there is a few spots like that here that are now duck refuge. It will never clean up much. Even if the cows are gone, the dang things fill up with so much waterfowl, the duck and goose crap keep it looking like pea soup. The water in the most used refuges here are nasty. You won't get quality water from hundreds of thousands of ducks and geese.
 
I'm headed into FSA office in the morning to offer 200 acres for CRP. 100 will be on east farm that a buttes the Lake Andes NWR. They give you higher EBI points for being close to the refuge.

So if I might asks, minus the fees you recieve for hunting what do you figure it is costing/making you an acre to put it into CRP?
 
raising crops or livestock it is the anything for a buck nature of the producers that's the problem! i hunt n/n.w. ia. a lot it's the best cover in the state. moellermd stray away from home base maybe you'll see more of the problems:thumbsup:. farm fields that stray into the grader ditches,waterways cutaway to nothing,and hillsides plowed that should simply be pasture ground. they should be held accountable for what they pollute like any other BIG BUSINESS. just because they own the land doesn't mean they can pollute the world around them. :cheers:

You are 100% correct Sir:thumbsup:
 
:D why thank you i appreciate that! believe me i don't hear that very often! :D :cheers:

Well here it is again--YOU are 100% correct--all of my CRP work has been in areas that have no business as cropland--sure you can grow a crop on it once and awhile but any wet year---NOT.

The former leasee was famous for gettn BIG 4wheel drive tractors stuck up to the frames trying to get that wet year crop--I think the current leasee has just about got all the ruts worked out and the grass is doing well along with deer/pheasants/song birds--you name it.:cheers:
 
in central ia the same flood prone areas are planted every year desmoines, n./s. skunk and the racoon river bottoms. maybe a producer should be limited on the chemicals that they use in these areas due to the unpredictible nature of flooding. :cheers:
 
in central ia the same flood prone areas are planted every year desmoines, n./s. skunk and the racoon river bottoms. maybe a producer should be limited on the chemicals that they use in these areas due to the unpredictible nature of flooding. :cheers:

They plant it on purpose, just to collect on the crop insurance. They don't care if it makes it or not. They get their money anyways. I have heard them brag about it. One guy said he's planted some James River bottom land in South Dakota for 5 years and hasn't EVER harvested a crop. He laughed and said who cares. I get my money anyways.
 
Man you guys are locked and loaded:thumbsup: I stopped going to farmer events make you sick the stupidity these guys come up with. The world revovles around them:( Now the super farmer saying is it sure is nice the gov't buys my house on the lake for me:mad: Use to be truck. Glorified welfare babbies:eek:
 
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