Good Dog Work

Dakotazeb said:
NSTRA Trials are all about good dog work for the pointing dog. They are graded on the finds, retrieves, ground coverage, obedience and backing. A dog that scores well in all five of these catagories has done "good dog work". Since NSTRA trials are about as close as it gets to actual hunting I think it would be fair to apply the same grading for dog work in normal hunting situations.

Just because the dog does not find a bunch of birds doesn't necessarily mean it didn't do a good job. As I've experienced in trials the scenting conditions can change from one brace to the next. I now believe there are days when we hit a field and produce very few or no birds and we think either there were no birds in the field or the dog is having an off day. I think there are those times when there may be plenty of birds present but due to scenting conditions the dog just doesn't find them. Not the fault of the dog and the dog probably could still be said to have done "Good Dog Work".
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Zeb I would heartily agree with the last paragraph. When you have hot, dry conditions the dogs can struggle to find birds and still put in a good day of work. It seems when we have good scenting conditions the dogs will work much harder and stay engaged. Good point.
 
appreciate the heads up Dakotazeb- I'm ;istening

VJohn-
big enough area- I open the gate for these to run with yours

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I don't train- season ends we like the chill out/heal- 40 years I've never seen a reason to train like so many everyday who think a good dog looses it unless trained

for some- not continous training means a not very good bird dog

You can show up, you can bring your buddy Setternut, lets see if these untrained, un regularly trained, brushed up so you say- will handle, cover ground, find, point, and hold-

and while I just let these 3 roll- they do pay attention to where I am- they only range 1/4 mile- BUT- one will run with anything you have because he might just see your 1/4 mile plus dog heading out and decide "what the heck, master isn't calling me- this thing is going- I'm going with it"

of course- those two wound find, pin, and hold a roster- and back-
good dog work right

got a lot of nice contry right here- care to prove me wrong

btw- I'm back in NSTRA- where are you going to be running
 
carptom1- I sit here on a 1/2 mile by 1/2- because I don't train- mine can't do it

you like to come here and show me up
 
Wow I looked forward to this thread to see what others had to say about what they thought was "good dog work". It seems now it has turned into nothing more than a pissing match. I enjoy watching good dog work as much as the next guy but my views of it may differ slightly and for that I'm ok. Variety is the spice of life. In the end who cares what a dog wears or doesn't wear while afield. It is something that the animal loves and only gets to do for a short time in comparison to us. So again in your eyes and your eyes only what constitutes good dog work?
 
Shadow said:
carptom1- I sit here on a 1/2 mile by 1/2- because I don't train- mine can't do it

you like to come here and show me up
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Dude quit sending me threatening pm's. Never once on here have I ever questioned you or your dog's abilities. I read all of these posts and it is obvious you have some kind of chip on your shoulder. Anytime somebody says anything you don't agree with you instantly say you and your dogs will show them up. Dude who cares. I'm sure your dogs are better than mine it doesn't matter to me. I just yank your chain every once in a while because I get tired of all your drama.

P.s. A good lab against 4 britts wouldn't be a fair fight. Unless we throw the birds out in a lake. Then maybe were talking. Got any big water on your 1/2 mile by 1/2 mile?
 
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Well this thread has kind of gotten off track.

We have gone from a good discussion of what we like to see for dog work, to a train wreck.

But there are some interesting threads that could come out of this like:
- What do you consider training? ( some don't consider just running their dogs in a field with wild birds as training, I think that is the best kind of training and wish I had access to that kind of ground)
- There are different training methods. Some are more formal than others. I doubt that there is a best method of everyone, just one that works for you and you understand.
- use of training tools like, Wild birds, pen raised quail/phez, pigeons, Check Cords, launchers, e-collars. Why they are important to some and not to others.
- we could even have a thread on how to get your points across without belittling others point of view. Might make the good threads that have large differences of opinion last longer before swirling down the crapper.
 
-me and Carptom head out together- drop ours on a 1/2 by 1/2- start BSing

-dogs are out a 1/4mi- next thing birds are flushing left and right

Sonamabitch Tom- we forgot they were flushers:eek::D
 
carptom1 said:
Dude quit sending me threatening pm's. Never once on here have I ever questioned you or your dog's abilities. I read all of these posts and it is obvious you have some kind of chip on your shoulder. Anytime somebody says anything you don't agree with you instantly say you and your dogs will show them up. Dude who cares. I'm sure your dogs are better than mine it doesn't matter to me. I just yank your chain every once in a while because I get tired of all your drama.

P.s. A good lab against 4 britts wouldn't be a fair fight. Unless we throw the birds out in a lake. Then maybe were talking. Got any big water on your 1/2 mile by 1/2 mile?
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Can any one get in on this "dog fight". lets add after a point a 100 yd retrieve down a shale face chukar hunting or a fast moveing big river or a pointer that well get into the heavy cover there more to pointing dogs than big running flat land pointers. Lets keep this about huntin WILD PHEASANTS!!
 
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I agree, I'm a run what you brung kinda guy. If you brought a 3 legged, pheasant treeing, fiest dog then run that sucker and be proud.

As far as your questions. Shale face chukar retrieves? Check. Big rivers? Check. Heavy cover? Check. Wild pheasants? Check and check.:cheers:
 
Dog work?

If my dogs please me with whatever I consider good dog work good.
I am the ONLY one they have to please. I like watching them work. For me it is about following the dogs & enjoying the day. I don't have to compete with anyone to make my day. I'll also rarely to never "complain" about someone else's dog/s.
 
HUNTIN4FUN said:
Wow I looked forward to this thread to see what others had to say about what they thought was "good dog work". It seems now it has turned into nothing more than a pissing match. I enjoy watching good dog work as much as the next guy but my views of it may differ slightly and for that I'm ok. Variety is the spice of life. In the end who cares what a dog wears or doesn't wear while afield. It is something that the animal loves and only gets to do for a short time in comparison to us. So again in your eyes and your eyes only what constitutes good dog work?
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corey has never been one to stir any shit on the forum lol i love a good pissing match as i sit here and chuckle on this discussion lmao ok on to dog work what i like is quick snappy back and forth movements tailcracking sliding to a intense point i dont mind after i flush the dog getting after the retreive as you pointed out corey i agree less loss birds plus if you have another dog i want the pointing dog to get it he deserves it unless a dog is backing you have to decide who will get the retreive but my dog wouldnt stay there i would have to hold him from retreivng to let the backer retreive. now as far as collars i personally dont like noise like whistles so if i want my dog to turn or i want to reel him in some i nick him with the collar and he turns
 
Shadow said:
appreciate the heads up Dakotazeb- I'm ;istening

VJohn-
big enough area- I open the gate for these to run with yours

picture-goingtoletthemrun-4-202012006.jpg


I don't train- season ends we like the chill out/heal- 40 years I've never seen a reason to train like so many everyday who think a good dog looses it unless trained

for some- not continous training means a not very good bird dog

You can show up, you can bring your buddy Setternut, lets see if these untrained, un regularly trained, brushed up so you say- will handle, cover ground, find, point, and hold-

and while I just let these 3 roll- they do pay attention to where I am- they only range 1/4 mile- BUT- one will run with anything you have because he might just see your 1/4 mile plus dog heading out and decide "what the heck, master isn't calling me- this thing is going- I'm going with it"

of course- those two wound find, pin, and hold a roster- and back-
good dog work right

got a lot of nice contry right here- care to prove me wrong

btw- I'm back in NSTRA- where are you going to be running
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This sounds just awful.
I never once said anything about your dogs. NEVER. In fact, Im sure they are very good on that field with pheasants. They see them everyday. (pheasants) The only thing negative I said was about that Wolters book. I dont like it. I have that opinion Im entitled to it right? And since you dont train regularly, then what is all the butt hurt about when it comes tp thrag book? I train regularly because I enjoy it and I want my dogs trained to a higher standard. You dont seem to have much interest in that, thats fine. I dont run NSTRA,I personally dont care for it, but fully support and cheer on those that do. Good luck and I hope you keep us posted on the trial results.
 
V-John said:
This sounds just awful.
I never once said anything about your dogs. NEVER. In fact, Im sure they are very good on that field with pheasants. They see them everyday. (pheasants) The only thing negative I said was about that Wolters book. I dont like it. I have that opinion Im entitled to it right? And since you dont train regularly, then what is all the butt hurt about when it comes tp thrag book? I train regularly because I enjoy it and I want my dogs trained to a higher standard. You dont seem to have much interest in that, thats fine. I dont run NSTRA,I personally dont care for it, but fully support and cheer on those that do. Good luck and I hope you keep us posted on the trial results.
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That won't happen. According to Wildcat Shadow is BLOCKED
 
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