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Can anyone tell me the difference between puppy and adult? I know that they often advertise a difference, but when it comes to reading the actual ingredients, I never really was able to tell. I'd love to know though.
I've always just fed adult stuff to my pups. They seemed to turn out fine.
Here's the short version. Puppies need calories to fuel the energy they expend, PLUS calories to fuel their body growth. Adult dogs need calories to fuel the energy they expend, but don't need them to fuel growth. So a quality puppy formula has few if any empty calories.

Also, consider the difference in stomach size between a pup & adult. Obviously the pup can't hold as much food as an adult, so puppy formula is a more concentrated nutrition food.

Lastly, puppy formula is a much smaller kibble size than adult formula. It's easier for the pup to eat & digest...
 
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Here's the short version. Puppies need calories to fuel the energy they expend, PLUS calories to fuel their body growth. Adult dogs need calories to fuel the energy they expend, but don't need them to fuel growth. So a quality puppy formula has few if any empty calories.

Also, consider the difference in stomach size between a pup & adult. Obviously the pup can't hold as much food as an adult, so puppy formula is a more concentrated nutrition food.

Lastly, puppy formula is a much smaller kibble size than adult formula. It's easier for the pup to eat & digest...

Interesting. Say the protein/fat content is relatively the same... And obviously the caloric content is roughly the same when comparing the two. I've found that most 'High energy" feeds (like Pro Plans Performance for example) are roughly equivalent in fat/protein content and calories puppy feeds.
How can we tell on the bag if calories are 'empty' or not? Or, the feed is more concentrated? Or rather, how is that indicated through ingredients/nutrients or feed content?

I definitely get the kibble size - especially for the super young pups.
 
The dry kibble that I have chosen to feed my dogs is Farmina brand grain free formula.
It is the only manufacturer I know of who specifies the percentage of protein that is animal based.
Victor also breaks out the percentages of protein from animal/vegetable/grains.

COMPREHENSIVE PROTEIN SOURCES:
61% PROTEIN FROM MEAT SOURCES
22% PROTEIN FROM PLANTS & VEGGIES
17% PROTEIN FROM GRAIN SOURCES


That is something I wish all the pet food manufacturers did.
 
Interesting. Say the protein/fat content is relatively the same... And obviously the caloric content is roughly the same when comparing the two. I've found that most 'High energy" feeds (like Pro Plans Performance for example) are roughly equivalent in fat/protein content and calories puppy feeds.
How can we tell on the bag if calories are 'empty' or not? Or, the feed is more concentrated? Or rather, how is that indicated through ingredients/nutrients or feed content?

I definitely get the kibble size - especially for the super young pups.
I've always considered it's about the density of the serving, more so than big differences in ingredient percentages (as you noted, puppy & adult high performance foods both have high fat & protein percentages). I liken it comparing a 1-1/4 ounce load of 8's to a 1-1/4 ounce load of 4's. Even though both charges weigh the same, there are a lot less size 4 shot than are size 8s. If you look at a 1 cup scoop of puppy food next to a 1 cup scoop of most large breed adult food, that cup of puppy chow is much more dense...

And I could be completely full of it, opinions vary...
 
Lastly, puppy formula is a much smaller kibble size than adult formula. It's easier for the pup to eat & digest...
I don't even think this is necessarily true in all foods. The Kibble size of the new formula PPP Sport 30/20 is quite small.
 
I fed my male Vizsla PPP 30/20 when I brought him home at 8 weeks. It is an all life stages food and per my research(Purina/breeders/trainers), is perfectly fine for pups. I am currently fostering 2 lab/brittany pups and I'm feeding Pro Plan puppy because I don't have any PPP. Either work.

Dog Food Advisor was founded by a Dentist. He sold it to Wagl which is a pet industry company for several million. He had no particular expertise in animal nutrition but he made a lot of money. They don't like brands like Pro Plan and I don't care. I prefer to get advice from my vet's, professional dog trainers, breeders, people that field trial and hunt. YMMV. I buy the best dog food I can reasonably afford and I can get from at least 2 different local sources. I would never feed a dog grain free food. I lost a Setter years ago and I suspect it was DCM. I'll never know but I fed him a grain free food back then. He was still relatively young and I didn't know. Still bothers me. Never again.

I am currently feeding my hunting dogs Nutrisource Performance 30/20 mostly because my male Vizsla is a pain in the butt and wouldn't eat PPP or Inukshuk 30/25 after a while. My GSP doesn't care and will eat anything but my Vizsla likes Nutirsource and they are doing well on it, so that's what they get. I have no idea what Dog Food Advisor rates Nutrisource Performance....but it is Vizsla approved, so I roll with it.
 
I am currently feeding my hunting dogs Nutrisource Performance 30/20 mostly because my male Vizsla is a pain in the butt and wouldn't eat PPP or Inukshuk 30/25 after a while. My GSP doesn't care and will eat anything but my Vizsla likes Nutirsource and they are doing well on it, so that's what they get. I have no idea what Dog Food Advisor rates Nutrisource Performance....but it is Vizsla approved, so I roll with it.
I have fed Nutrisource in the past and had very good luck with it. It's a premium dog food. I feel on a par with PPP and the like.
 
I train retrievers 5 days a week in the summer with lots of long swims.
So I feed the same kibble as during hunting season, 20% fat, 32% protein,
first ingredient is menhaden which is high in omega-3s.
 
I did the iams puppy food I think until maybe 8 or 9 months? I don’t really remember. Then I switched to nutrisorce adult.
 
I have been using IAMs for close to 20 years now, maybe longer. All my dogs 8 weeks to 15 years old have done well on it.

During hunting season I supplement with 80% lean burger crumbles or egg. It gives them a protein boost without changing the base food and it seems to get them to eat well (dog food included) when they otherwise might be too tired to eat.
 
I fed my male Vizsla PPP 30/20 when I brought him home at 8 weeks. It is an all life stages food and per my research(Purina/breeders/trainers), is perfectly fine for pups. I am currently fostering 2 lab/brittany pups and I'm feeding Pro Plan puppy because I don't have any PPP. Either work.

Dog Food Advisor was founded by a Dentist. He sold it to Wagl which is a pet industry company for several million. He had no particular expertise in animal nutrition but he made a lot of money. They don't like brands like Pro Plan and I don't care. I prefer to get advice from my vet's, professional dog trainers, breeders, people that field trial and hunt. YMMV. I buy the best dog food I can reasonably afford and I can get from at least 2 different local sources. I would never feed a dog grain free food. I lost a Setter years ago and I suspect it was DCM. I'll never know but I fed him a grain free food back then. He was still relatively young and I didn't know. Still bothers me. Never again.

I am currently feeding my hunting dogs Nutrisource Performance 30/20 mostly because my male Vizsla is a pain in the butt and wouldn't eat PPP or Inukshuk 30/25 after a while. My GSP doesn't care and will eat anything but my Vizsla likes Nutirsource and they are doing well on it, so that's what they get. I have no idea what Dog Food Advisor rates Nutrisource Performance....but it is Vizsla approved, so I roll with it.
Amen
I bet Purina invests more into animal nutrition research than all the boutique (Blue Buffalo, Farmers Dog etc) food brands combined. I feed Nutriscource for many reasons but if I had to switch Pro Plan would be it.
 
Internet article today reports some pet owners believe their dogs have been sickened by Purina Pro Plan. Purina says after reviewing everything, there's no basis to blame Pro Plan. Could it be too rich for some?
 
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Internet article today reports some pet owners believe their dogs have been sickened by Purina Pro Plan. Purina says after reviewing everything, there's no basis to blame Pro Plan.
That article has been floating around the internet for a while. You are absolutely correct. There was, and is, no basis for it. More "Fake News"!
 
I feed mine Diamond Naturals. I used to feed Purina Pro Plan, but when COVID was going on and the supply chain was all jacked, the price went from around $45-$50 a bag to $90. That's when I switched to Diamond. Diamond rose there price about $5 back then, Pro Plan has kept their price around the $90 mark. I can get a 40 pound bag of Diamond for $45, a 50 pound bag of Pro Plan Sport is currently $89 dollars on Chewy.

I've read the ingredients between the bags and they're essentially the same. Ingredients probably comes from the same supplier. And one thing I've taken note of, Purina (not necessarily just on pro plan) has had a ton of recalls over the years. Diamonds last recall was in 2012.
 
I think dogs can do well on a lot of different brands of dog food. I know some people have strong opinions about dog food brands but I have fed a lot of different brands over the years without issues with most of them. That said, my dogs definitely liked some more than others.

I do think some dogs do better on some brands than others and it can take some trial and error to figure it out. Some dogs can be hard to keep weight on, others seem to have more sensitive stomachs. Like my current male Vizsla, I had a female Vizsla that didn't like Pro Plan. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with Pro Plan. She didn't like Black Gold either. Life's too short for that kind of drama. Try something else.

There can be a large difference in calories per cup between brands and that is something I do weigh heavily before buying. I think more is better for hunting dogs. Regardless of brand, I am also a believer in 30/20 dog food for pointer breeds. Outside of that, I think it's good to stay informed and be open to change until you find something your dog likes and does well on.
 
Can anyone tell me the difference between puppy and adult? I know that they often advertise a difference, but when it comes to reading the actual ingredients, I never really was able to tell. I'd love to know though.
I've always just fed adult stuff to my pups. They seemed to turn out fine.
I think the first 6 months, puppy is best.
 
I've been feeding PPP puppy to our lab since she was 8 weeks old. I alternate between the chicken and the lamb formula. No problems. Good, solid stool, growing like a weed. Then, when I opened the last bag of the lamb formula the kibble was half the size of the previous bags. I contacted Purina and asked them if this was an intentional change or did their quality control go south. So far I've gotten nothing back but pure corporate stroking with nothing of substance regarding this change. My question is "if you changed kibble size, did you change anything else?", or more concerning, "if you don't know the kibble size changed, how do you know what is in the food?"

I've tried PPP over the years and always came away, just like now, spooked because, even though they do nutrition research, they are still a huge corporation operating on least cost principals. I hate changing food because you may not see the impacts until later in the dog's life, but at the same time, if I don't feel Purina cares or really, knows, I'm going to change. My previous labs all ate Royal Canin and were good on it until one developed an allergy to corn or the chemicals they put on corn so she has been on grain-free for 8 years. I'd prefer not using grain free because of the negative impacts seen in the data, but in her case, it was necessary and worked.

Not sure what I'm going to do. I just know I'm uncomfortable with Purina.
 
I started my male Vizsla on PPP Salmon & Rice when he was a pup and eventually switched him to Inukshuk 30/25....to save some money Within a few months he wouldn't eat either. I was lucky if he chocked down a cup or two a day. During the spring hunt tests he got so thin, we had to start giving him Dyne to get some weight on him. That was unacceptable to me so I made another switch to Nutrisource Performance 30/20. All is well in the world. He eats every meal, his weight is great and I honestly think he has a better coat than he did before. Life is too short to worry about dog food. Find something you feel better about.
 
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