Does conservation stand a chance?

SDJIM

SDJIM

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I'm so mad I don't even know how to begin. I don't know all the details but a Pheasants Forever Chapter that gave landowners $175.00 to plant 5 acre food plots, will now only do $70 for a 2 acre plot and "NO CORN".

Seems that people last year took the money--planted corn--then instead of leaving it as a food plot -- it got harvested--I gues the formula of 100 bushels an acre X 5 X $6 a bushel was just to much to pass up--screw the wildlife and to bad Pheasnats Forever Chapter--thank-you every much for the easy profit you fools.

I JUST CALL IT GREED--for those that did this --you know who you are and I doubt you give a damm-- I just hope it not someone I know--I have few friends and I don't like losing any--but this would be it.:mad:
 
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That's just plain horse $*^t

Where's the greed in this country going to end?

Capitalism is broke boys, it's nothing but a free for all now. Get what you can and move on to the next sucker. :(
 
That's nice. Nothing like taking advantage of a not-for-profit organization.:(

As far as corn goes this spring, I think a lot of land owners who want to plant PF food plots are going to have a problem getting corn. PF has bumped into a seed shortage. My chapter just lost our sunflower food plot seed for this spring too.

Sorghum's also falling short of what we need. It's getting to be quit a mess just keeping up with what seed we can and can't get. :eek:
 
onpoint said:
That's just plain horse $*^t

Where's the greed in this country going to end?

Capitalism is broke boys, it's nothing but a free for all now. Get what you can and move on to the next sucker. :(
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onpoint -

I get your frustration with what is currently wrong with the ag economy and the country in general. But the problem with the situation is not capitolism. The problem is people circumventing the market and using there Washington influence to create and exploit artificial market opportunities. The housing bubble is an example of this problem. Ag policy over the last 40-years is an example of this problem. Renewable energy policy is an example of this problem. etc. etc. ad naseum.

A more accurate statement might be that representative democracy and the two-party system is broken.

DB
 
1pheas4 said:
That's nice. Nothing like taking advantage of a not-for-profit organization.:(

As far as corn goes this spring, I think a lot of land owners who want to plant PF food plots are going to have a problem getting corn. PF has bumped into a seed shortage. My chapter just lost our sunflower food plot seed for this spring too.

Sorghum's also falling short of what we need. It's getting to be quit a mess just keeping up with what seed we can and can't get. :eek:
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Yes, another side effect of the commodities markets being strong.
 
I understand the frustration but I wouldn't let 6 or 7 hundred bucks get me razzled. Sure it was the wrong thing to do but we gotta keep up the fight and keep doing what we need to do and thats concentrate on habitat improvement.:cheers:
 
jaytee said:
I understand the frustration but I wouldn't let 6 or 7 hundred bucks get me razzled. Sure it was the wrong thing to do but we gotta keep up the fight and keep doing what we need to do and thats concentrate on habitat improvement.:cheers:
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I agree that is pretty bad. But habitat will be key.
 
Downtown Bang! said:
onpoint -

I get your frustration with what is currently wrong with the ag economy and the country in general. But the problem with the situation is not capitolism. The problem is people circumventing the market and using there Washington influence to create and exploit artificial market opportunities. The housing bubble is an example of this problem. Ag policy over the last 40-years is an example of this problem. Renewable energy policy is an example of this problem. etc. etc. ad naseum.

A more accurate statement might be that representative democracy and the two-party system is broken.

DB
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(1)The problem is, being a thief is alright as long as you dress well and drive a new car/truck. Have a job, own lots of land or nice things. It's really not stealing then. He's just taking what he deserves. (2)Real thieves are unemployed, drive a hoopdy and smoke dope. I'm starting to believe the 1st example is costing us far more then 2nd example and is a growing problem.
 
jaytee said:
I understand the frustration but I wouldn't let 6 or 7 hundred bucks get me razzled. Sure it was the wrong thing to do but we gotta keep up the fight and keep doing what we need to do and thats concentrate on habitat improvement.:cheers:
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It's not $600 or so bucks, it's like 5 acres @ 100 bushels an acre = 500 bushels @ $6 a bushel = $ 3000.00. But even thats not the point, they agreed to take the money from a non profit consevation group and plant a food plot for wildlife and then cheated that group of people that work so hard to do what they can to improve things because they were GREEDY, I'll bet they didn't even pay the PF chapter back for their breach of contract--because thats what it amonuts to--- a breach of contract.

The really bad thing is now OTHER PEOPLE AND THE WILDLIFE will be short changed as it has caused the PF chapter to cut back on their food plot program---it won't stop me and the other commited conservation minded landowners but it might make the guy who is undecided on doing a food plot to pass on the idea and that is a BAD thing

I agree we need to keep up the fight on habitat but things like this DON'T HELP :(
 
Welcome to the world of stupid a$$ farmers:eek: They've been stealing from Gov't programs for years with crappy crp stands. Now it seems they moved on to stealing from good organations like PF. Nothing but glorified walfare babies. Glad to see our word means nothing in the new age of the super farmer. They should be so proud.
 
jaytee said:
I understand the frustration but I wouldn't let 6 or 7 hundred bucks get me razzled. Sure it was the wrong thing to do but we gotta keep up the fight and keep doing what we need to do and thats concentrate on habitat improvement.:cheers:
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I agree with you. We must keep moving forward.

There's always going to be a "Judas" within everything we do. No mater what it is. A bad apple will get in there some way or another and work on soiling good efforts.

This is the case for all good works.;)
 
There are plenty of bad apples in every group / occupation in America, not just farmers. It is the moral fiber of our country that is disappearing everyday. As history has shown us, all great civilations fail at some point. Ours is coming sooner rather than later I fear. Keep fighting the good fight and hopefully we will have birds to shoot for many more falls.
 
To me it's why we have locks.
We have to put locks on everything because there are crooks.
Those that get corn seed free intended for wildlife plots, then harvest and sell are exactly the same crooks that we need locks on everything for.:(
 
Very sad. My unlce has grape vines that we dove hunt in, 3 of the vineyards have open land (2 are 2 acres, 1 ten acres). I asked my uncle if we could do food plots on these acres and he said it was a great idea. I asked him to ask the 10 or so others who hunt his land if they would all chip in $20 for seed and I would do all the labor on the plots and my uncle would do the irrigation. No one wanted to chip in for seed but I'm sure they would all love to hunt the plots. I scrapped the idea and refuse to hunt the same fields with these people now.
 
I get your frustration with what is currently wrong with the ag economy and the country in general. But the problem with the situation is not capitolism. The problem is people circumventing the market and using there Washington influence to create and exploit artificial market opportunities. The housing bubble is an example of this problem. Ag policy over the last 40-years is an example of this problem. Renewable energy policy is an example of this problem. etc. etc. ad naseum.

A more accurate statement might be that representative democracy and the two-party system is broken.
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I agree with this comment.

There are plenty of bad apples in every group / occupation in America, not just farmers. It is the moral fiber of our country that is disappearing everyday. As history has shown us, all great civilations fail at some point. Ours is coming sooner rather than later I fear. Keep fighting the good fight and hopefully we will have birds to shoot for many more falls.
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Ever wonder why our culture is headed in the wrong direction. Take a look at who has been running the country for the last 70+ years. What party has controlled Federal, state, county, city, municipality and township governence. Who has pushed there agenda and still does today. Good intentions or not, progressive/liberal behavior is driving our culture.

Sure, we change the figurehead at the top often enough but the entrenched local governments almost never change.

Conservation, I think it still has allot of support but I think the dollars are going to be directed to allot more specific efforts.
 
Doesn't sound like that much land to support 10 hunters.Heard of some bad experiences dove hunting in close proximity, may even been in uph nation.
Why should those people pay when they can get in for nothing?
 
birddog456 said:
Doesn't sound like that much land to support 10 hunters.Heard of some bad experiences dove hunting in close proximity, may even been in uph nation.
Why should those people pay when they can get in for nothing?
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There is actually something like 800 acres of vines, that is just the open land where food plots could be planted. Right now the hunting is just pass shooting flyways but with a food plot you can get them in range easier. 10 or 12 guys around a 10 acre food plot is nothing, obviously you've never seen opening morning of dove season in Ca.:eek:
 
I didn"t think you were asking much for a food plot QH. I would of done it. 20 bucks for making the odds of a hunt better. Reminds me of the deer hunters around here some of them only want to shot and not do the leg work. or the ones that only want to post up while pheasant hunting. some people are just selfish.
 
That's what I thought too coot. I was going to do the disking, spraying, broadcast, harrowing etc with my tractor and all they had to do was chip in a little $. My uncle was even paying for the ditch water to irrigate and he can't even shoot anymore. Oh well I guess good hunting for free is better than great hunting for $20 just like $3000 worth of corn for free is better than out of your own pocket.:mad:
 
quail hound said:
That's what I thought too coot. I was going to do the disking, spraying, broadcast, harrowing etc with my tractor and all they had to do was chip in a little $. My uncle was even paying for the ditch water to irrigate and he can't even shoot anymore. Oh well I guess good hunting for free is better than great hunting for $20 just like $3000 worth of corn for free is better than out of your own pocket.:mad:
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Yea it's stating to get to me so many people willing to hunt but few that will support it one way or another--gonna start demanding a little help from those that ride in on the ones who help.

QH those people are just nuts to pass up a chance like that no work just increased quality habitat for only 20 bucks---crazy:confused:
 
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