Dangerous seeds

FCSpringer said:
I don't know about how it got to other areas. But here the feds and PF put it in. 1 Pheas, I would let him know that CP25 having it is not exceptable! Any is too much. They, PF said they were done using it. They Lie, thats why I do not support them any more. I never support stupidity. They will keep hearing from me untill they quit.
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I saw in a past PF issue they still have a mix with CR included in it. Talking with reps, this is a state to state issue. They're attitude is if you don't want CR in a seed mix (for the fear of injuring a dog) install another mix. Still, I don't understand why they don't replace CR with oats? Seems to me to be a very simple fix.:confused:
 
There is no need for a cover crop. They simply want instant gratification for the land owner. The best way to make them wake up is to quit supporting them untill they spend our money the way we want... Then they will quit, it's that simple.;)
 
Bet if you wanted to look into it. PF has state and federal personnel looking over their shoulder on every issue. Rules, regulations, strict guidelines.:(
 
mnmthunting said:
Bet if you wanted to look into it. PF has state and federal personnel looking over their shoulder on every issue. Rules, regulations, strict guidelines.:(
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That's the point of one gentlemen I spoke with. It sounds like seed mixes are mandated by the gov't--not PF. Nevertheless, one would think they could pull some strings and switch over to oats.

Either way, filler isn't going anywhere. People like the idea of cover (or what looks/seems to be) emerging soon after planting. It's strictly cosmetics and early nesting cover for the one year filler grows.

FC, a call for me to stop supporting/volunteering for PF would spell disaster for my counties chapter and future habitat projects/youth programs/ect (at this point in time)--all this over a seed mix--No, I just can't do that my friend. As much as I would like to I can't.;)
 
Well Then get the chapter to voice a STRONG opinion against it, over and over. But it would not be the end if everyone stood up and said, we will not support you any more if you continue to do this. It means a pay check for those who are trusted to do the right things. They the paid higher powers, can get it done, don't kid your self. They just choose not to.
 
Thanks for the info...justed finished re-planting my crp in Iowa and am thankful none of these grasses were planted. I know some of them were on my original sheet from nrcs, when I discussed with my seed dealer, I told him I didn't want any grasses planted that would take over. Doesn't make sense to plant something you'll have to fight later, so glad I did!
 
FCSpringer said:
Just avoid the fields with the dangerous ones. The rest just use ear wash.
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Guys, I am retired now from Vet medicine ,but I would caution you not to rely too much on ear wash. I have dealt with several cases of plant awns here in GA as well. They will go anywhere in the body! If the dogs natural body "juices" doesn't soften them enough to stop their migration, the ear wash won't either. What I'm saying is do not wait to see a vet if you suspect these thing in your dog's ears or other parts of their bodies. Avoidance is best and careful examination is good, but if your dog is shaking it's head in distress and you know or suspect they have been in a field where they could get one, TAKE them in for an exam ASAP! It is amazing what a little old seed can do, and in the ear it is only a small fraction of an inch from the brain. The barbs on the pointy end of the seed prevent it from backing up, and it can only go forward. The natural sliding movements of a dog's hair as they move about or even shake themselves, makes the seed work its way towards the skin and points beyond. I check my dog every day while hunting, and try to keep her out of dangerous areas as well, to minimize her exposure. The ones up the nose or swallowed or inhaled are the worst! Prayer might work then. Knowing what it is and successfully doing something for the dog are two entirely different things. I think it is "pennywise and pound foolish" to include those seeds in a mix at all. There are some idiots out there who would bring back a T. rex if they could in the name of conservation. Only the government would hold up.... well never mind that is an even worse subject!
 
Yes for seeds with awns, The dangerous ones yes. But for normal junk, eye and ear wash is handy. Even check between the toes etc. Brush them out when done. And stay the heck away from the bad seeds mentioned. I was looking over grounds for a trial today, and boy is it a sad sight. All that crap in thousands of acres. beautiful fields that are not safe to run a dog.:mad:
 
The details need to be spread, this year I stopped our duck club from using foxtail to grass our blinds! Imagine this, we were going to pay somebody to harvest it, and transplant it, by courier, where it will seed, and become a recurring thorn for years, assuming every dog that retrieves from those blinds isn't injured by the hanging crap in the highest traffic area on the property! This was recieved as a startling revelation from an uplandlander who has seen it before, my good intention friends had no idea. This being a drought year, we were looking for options to brush blinds. Assume that it's still a problem, even our sportsmen allys. On to big bluestem !
 
oldandnew said:
The details need to be spread, this year I stopped our duck club from using foxtail to grass our blinds! Imagine this, we were going to pay somebody to harvest it, and transplant it, by courier, where it will seed, and become a recurring thorn for years, assuming every dog that retrieves from those blinds isn't injured by the hanging crap in the highest traffic area on the property! This was recieved as a startling revelation from an uplandlander who has seen it before, my good intention friends had no idea. This being a drought year, we were looking for options to brush blinds. Assume that it's still a problem, even our sportsmen allys. On to big bluestem !
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:10sign::cheers:;) Good stoppage!
Just a reminder to u all do not allow this stuff in yours or any ones plantings, tis the season... Call your local chapters of PF, and USDA and tell them to quit doing it.:thumbsup: Bug them relentlessly.
 
What about side oats grama? I've got a patch of side oats that I walked thru tonight, and couldn't believe how many seed stuck to mt socks above the shoe. They don't back out either...
 
I'm positive it's side oats. I've been patiently waiting for it to mature to strip it .. I think its ready, if they are falling off when I walk thru it.
 
Great article on "dangerous seeds" in the Wildfowl, equipment issue, on sale now. Glad to see the retriever people have got the message and are spreading the word. I see that our habitat bundle sold to quail habitat restoration have Canadian rye in it! :mad: I can't understand it, we have had problems with this since the 1970's. If you didn't vaccinate your dogs you would be thought to abusing them, but the wildlife experts continue to seed this indiscriminately, intentionally "abusing" hunting dogs which are going to hunt it, might as well let them run across a street, and hope they survive! By the way, as we continue to send money to wildlife conservation charities, we are supporting the spread of the vile stuff.
 
The retriever folks are getting involved because of springer folks. Dean Reinke and Kathy Lewis. Kathy runs the meanseeds.com site, and Dean is a rep for purina involved with the retriever game as well as running springer trials. Springer trial folks were the first to gripe, and start the push. Mainly because we train on live birds, run trials on live birds and are in the field so much. Basically hunting year round. Hence the large numbers of fine springer trial dogs going down from it for years, till it was sorted out. Now chairmen avoid those fields, and training we do the same. So now we are seeing less among trial dogs. But, also finding it very hard to find safe fields to run. And this still does nothing for the hunter not in the know. It's just a sad deal.:( It is great other breed clubs are getting involved, I wish other venues would as well. On our own we are getting no where. Together, we will get them to listen.
 
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Sorry Buck just saw this. No the USDA, pheasants forever and so on all use it in mix nation wide. Call your legislators and local PF chapters and voice your opinions. That's the only way to stop it. Or it all will be planted with it soon. We all have enough vet bills, and they only live so long the way it is. Please get your voices out there for your k9 hunting partners.


I was asked for info on eradicating it. Sure, there is a way, but with a catch. In the spring you have to have the cover mowed to be effective before green up, or do a mow in the fall to get started. Otherwise the spray wont work as well. Then you roundup the entire field at 3 oz to a gallon of water. Go about it as follows.( " You see the first green up, wait about 1 1/2 - 2 weeks and kill everything... You will see yard grass, rye, brome in the road ditch etc turning green and beginning germination. This is all cold season grass and includes Canada rye.) Then wait a couple weeks and all warm season grass will grow unharmed. Now the only problem is this will kill any early growth flowers etc. any tree, broad leaf plants and so on. So it may not be desired for some spots. If you don't care about that it works very well. Now fear not about the pollinators and forbes, flowers etc. you can broadcast that pure seed in after and it works fine. You will have to do this for 3-4 seasons if you have it bad. if it is new 2-3. Or until you stop seeing it seed out. Pay close attention to the seed heads of the stand, and if you see several plants, mow right away to prevent future seed. and keep repeating spring kills. Once you get it to almost gone, you will walk through after seed heads pop and find none. If you spot one or two for the years after simply pluck the heads and sponge the plant with roundup using a stain stick sponge. Do not pull the plant and walk away. Kill it. Soon you will have the relief you are looking for and a nice clean field to manage. Then get out the paint brush of color and toss in some native flowers of choice. Worked very well for me, and got the info from a commercial native seed grower. Contact Garth at Kasty seed in Pelican Rapids MN for great seed and help.:thumbsup: 4th season and I am cancer free I like to say. Flowers are popping now and all is well. It works.:thumbsup:
 
Typically they will move because of the barbs, why they are deadly. Some times the body will encapsulate it. But if it is encapsulated I would bet some other foreign body. Or there is always a possibility it hit bone and stopped as well. Not a vet, but I had the same exact thing. I would get it removed, Once the dog went under, the other time it was close and just lanced with local anesthesia. You can learn to identify the plants and that is the best way to avoid it. Just stay out of it. meanseeds.com PS some vets still are not up on this stuf, and it has been misdiagnosed as well. So I always make sure to bring it up to them and point them toward the site. To me, it is just hard to believe people are still willing to turn a blind eye and shake it off that they are using it. I just can't figure it out. Guess they can sleep at night.
 
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