Big changes for your South Dakota hunting

Habitat, or lack thereof will determine bird numbers.

Brdhntr, I used to think the same thing but have experienced in the last 3 seasons that that is not the whole picture. Even a top biologist for PF told me, "the guys that have habitat will have birds".

Not true. You need climate first, then habitat. In the last 3 years we have had high precip that hurt birds and now extreme drought. Those are 2 climate factors of which habitat has no bearing on.

As far as pheasants are concerned... I'll take the drought.

Good climate + good habitat = serious bird #'s
 
Brdhntr, I used to think the same thing but have experienced in the last 3 seasons that that is not the whole picture. Even a top biologist for PF told me, "the guys that have habitat will have birds".

Not true. You need climate first, then habitat. In the last 3 years we have had high precip that hurt birds and now extreme drought. Those are 2 climate factors of which habitat has no bearing on.

As far as pheasants are concerned... I'll take the drought.

Good climate + good habitat = serious bird #'s

I think you need the trifecta, good weather, with good habitat. The very thing I worry about, and what we see with quail. We find that one good farm, even if it's 800 acres, will not provide quail hunting unless there are other equal quaility farms with in flight distance. The theory is that quail require a macro habitat that is equal to township, ( 32 sections square), or we will loose them, might be distance between habitat, segmented habitat, weather loss, whatever happens to stress the bird. Pheasants are a whole lot hardier, in some ways, in other ways feeble, ice storms which freeze over beaks, are deadly to pheasants, cattails are essential to weather on the upper great plains. We may find out that it takes a whole village or a township to save pheasants too! I hope we find that out before we get there like we have with quail. Weather will help mitigate a long downward spiral, for a while. I think that habitat is great, and what ever we do helps, but if you are the only habitat in the township, your doomed to failure, except having a museum flock which might make a resurgence when times are better. A visual clue, would be look at Missouri, Wisconsin, and Illinois prairie chicken projects. Little dinosaurlike, fragmented populations with no hope of regaining the scope of the past. It's to ugly to comprehend, prairie chicken, next quail, next pheasant? We have the USFG, literally eradicating pheasant habitat, favoring 'indigenous" wildlife in expense of pheasants. Government subsidizes and rewards wholesale farming, We have Catepillar as a conservation partner with DU, and low and behold we have Monsato as a conservation partner with PF! We use canandian rye in our grassland mixes, despite what it does to the hunters/ benefactors dogs? Who's watching the pot boiling? Whats next?
 
I agree that weather is a major influence on wildlife, but being from Northern Illinois, and being an avid pheasant hunter for 40 years, here is my experience; Northern Illinois - lots of habitat in the 60's, 70's, and early 80's.
Commercial and residential development, along with strip farming practices, decimated cover in this area. Used to shoot birds on every hunt back in the 70's, started to decline with loss of habitat, and pheasant hunting in this part of the state was over by the late 80's early 90's; Decided we had to try another state during this time, or stop hunting (not an option!). Went to Iowa, in the Grinnell area, hunted all private land, and had great success. This went on for roughly 8 or so years.Then multiple CRP fields started to come out, removing substantial habitat in the areas we were hunting. By the third year the bird numbers were so low we knew we had to make another move. I called Bill Smith with SDFG, as he was the one helping put together the SD Atlas (remember the days when no road numbers were printed!!). He suggested trying the Watertwon area, due to lower hunting pressure; we gave it a try and did not see the numbers we were used to seeing, so after 2 days moved southwest. Found the birds, and have enjoyed great SD hunting for about 12 years. Seeing the amount of habitat loss in early November, and the huge tracts of cattail burn offs occuring was depressing. From the posts read since our trip, this has continued. Again I agree that weather has a huge influence, especially spring nesting and winter kill offs, but to me there was no doubt that the great pheasant numbers we have witnessed in SD was mainly attributable to the awesome habitat available to the birds. I do not want to come off as a Debbie Downer, just passing along what my 40 years of chasing this great game bird has seen first hand. 15 days and counting!
 
I've said on this site before that we saw our peak in pheasant numbers a few years ago. There are several factors in having good pheasant numbers and certainly climate is one. But without habitat you won't have any birds regardless of the climate. I'm seeing the same thing in SD that I saw in SW Minnesota back in the late 60's and 70's. Sloughs were drained and turned into farmland. Farmers in the fall were turning everything black from road ditch to road ditch. Also back then we lost the Soil Bank Program and today CRP acres are coming out at a record rate. Lots of similarities and what happened to the pheasants in SW Minnesota back then. They disappeared!
 
I've said on this site before that we saw our peak in pheasant numbers a few years ago. There are several factors in having good pheasant numbers and certainly climate is one. But without habitat you won't have any birds regardless of the climate. I'm seeing the same thing in SD that I saw in SW Minnesota back in the late 60's and 70's. Sloughs were drained and turned into farmland. Farmers in the fall were turning everything black from road ditch to road ditch. Also back then we lost the Soil Bank Program and today CRP acres are coming out at a record rate. Lots of similarities and what happened to the pheasants in SW Minnesota back then. They disappeared!

Couldn't agree more George
 
It's true that pheasants can do well in marginal habitat IF the weather is favorable. Open Winters, mild Springs without cold snaps and average Summers.
The better the year around habitat the less dependent pheasants are on weather. If i can mention the (P) word predation:eek: is always a factor.
You guys will see what happens to SD pheasants if we have a repeat of the Winter/Spring of 010-011.
I haven't been to SD this year, the way it sounds there is little cover. With 10-12 inches of snow the grasslands are now useless. And the cattails burned.

Center pivots are a very effective way of draining cattails marshes. By the millions.:eek:
 
There is no question that if SD turns into SW MN then the pheasants will go the same way. Bye-bye.

I've heard my share of bailing, mowing, tiling, plowing, haying this year.

Keep in mind too that half of all existing CRP was cut this year (except mine) and that won't be an every year occurance.

There's no doubt the landscape is changing.

It's simple fact that it cannot all be blamed on habitat loss.

Just like in the Dust Bowl Plow up video we learned that we did have control over the climate and eco system by how the land was farmed.
 
The editor made a note regarding the misprint ($250 thousand). The correct amount is indeed $250 Million.

Did I read the amount paid for land at $13,000 an acre correctly:confused:

My Lord that's high. I can't imagine land holding onto such prices in the long-term. Too much of a gamble if you ask me.

For now, we're in one heck of a mess folks. Only to get worse. I hope to God SD and the few other remaining "pheasant" states won't remain as IL,IN,OH, SW MN, IA, WI have. That is; Once the habitat is gone, it's gone with no return!

What a mess:(
 
Did I read the amount paid for land at $13,000 an acre correctly:confused:

My Lord that's high. I can't imagine land holding onto such prices in the long-term. Too much of a gamble if you ask me.

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There were 2 quarters that sold recently just NE of Aberdeen. One for $13,000 an acre and one for $11,000 an acre. That's totally nuts. The person that bought the quarter for $13k an acre is an oncologist in Aberdeen. Obviously the cancer patients have been paying him very good.
 
As far as pheasants are concerned... I'll take the drought.

Good climate + good habitat = serious bird #'s

Dry, mild spring - YES !

Drought - well maybe.

The severity of the drought can impact upland bird chicks too. The young birds need moisture. Chicks also benefit greatly by insect hatches ... protein is needed to help them get to flight stage.

Cutting CRP probably destroys many of those second nest attempts.

Finally drought will impact the birds this winter in terms of cover and food availability.
 
The only thing that worries me, is the burning of wet-lands and the tilling of them. Cattail slews are "The" best winter cover their is to save birds for spring breeding. If they continue to do so. It won't matter a whole hellofa lot what kind of climate change takes effect. If there is "Zero" pheasants that survive or near that. It could take years for any kind of recovery. Just drive around the state. Specially in the eastern half, this time of year. How much winter cover is there if you remove the cattail slews? Not a lot.

It's like all the CRP, WPA's Etc Emergency grazing/haying allowed on them is just the norm anymore. Just add it to the problem. That's where the author has it right IMO.

Another thing, if this drought continues. Those gambling and tilling this marginal land in hopes of recovering their losses of the last year. If it don't rain. They are only one step even further in the "Red". They spent all the money and time to raise more nothing. Then the possible income from some pay hunting. That's gone too.

Myself, I don't even know how they can till these wet-lands. In Northern Minnesota. If you even get caught driving your ATV in your own wet-lands on your own land. You will be ticketed by a conservation officer. Some folks who have a cabin on the lake just down the road. Had a CO drive in their yard. They had aquatic vegetation hanging on their ATV axe's. They were all ticketed. If we have such strict rules on it here in vacation/lake country. Why is it so ease to destroy entire wet-lands in farm country. I thought we had wet-lands protection laws to prevent this.

Same ting here, not only plowing up CRP, bull dozing groves, cover brush, and mowing cattails. Every day I see the tile trucks. They are draining wetlands like flies on dung right now because the fed alows it. Now that they got drought, they can mow or turn the soil and claim it is workable ground, then tile. Seen some cattail slougs I hunted for 25 years gone this fall. No willows, no cats, no cover nothing. Plowed right to the road edge. U cant even tell it was ever there. CRP is one thing, but this new movement to doze every tree and cattail patch is over the top and greedy. Ridiculas to be honest, their land or not. So much for laws in place to protect wetland habitat. They found some loop holes someplace.
 
Seen some cattail slougs I hunted for 25 years gone this fall. No willows, no cats, no cover nothing. Plowed right to the road edge. U cant even tell it was ever there. CRP is one thing, but this new movement to doze every tree and cattail patch is over the top and greedy

Seeing this around here too FC. Areas that have been in place since I was a kid are now dirt.:( Large areas of cattail areas too:eek:

My dad has a very nice rooster mounted on the wall that he shot in the 1970's. Yesterday I drove by the field he shot that bad boy rooster in. It's plowed up. Gone.

I don't want to sound soft or anything, but I really had a hard time seeing everything I saw yesterday. Each week more and more habitat is disappearing. I've never seen anything like this before.:(
 
Same ting here, not only plowing up CRP, bull dozing groves, cover brush, and mowing cattails. Every day I see the tile trucks. They are draining wetlands like flies on dung right now because the fed alows it. Now that they got drought, they can mow or turn the soil and claim it is workable ground, then tile. Seen some cattail slougs I hunted for 25 years gone this fall. No willows, no cats, no cover nothing. Plowed right to the road edge. U cant even tell it was ever there. CRP is one thing, but this new movement to doze every tree and cattail patch is over the top and greedy. Ridiculas to be honest, their land or not. So much for laws in place to protect wetland habitat. They found some loop holes someplace.


Wadena and Hubbard Counties, there are ten of thousands of acres of Norway plantations and aspen woodlands. (former Potlatch Land) Along with the cattails and wetlandsdozed and burned, much of it without tree harvest. Will go into center pivot irrigation. Nothing more efficient on draining land like a 12 inch well on a quarter section. Well go down a couple hundred feet and drain every layer of water to the bottom. a cattail marsh is an easy kill and legal. They can't legally fill in wetlands so they drain from underneath, simply pull the plug.
Thanks so much, corn ethanol.
Lake levels and streams are also at near record lows.:(
 
Did a little checking and came up with this: Population EST.
1936 12 million
1937 3 million
1938 6 million
1941 11 million
This was a remarkable 5 years

1945 16 million
1950 5 million

1962 10.2 milliom
1967 2.9 million

1986 2.1 million
1991 5 million

2002 5.5 milliom
2007 11.9 million

Oh boy do those numbers change
They will be back guys

One other stat.
1910 to 1919 there were 80,000 farms in SD
2000 to 2009 it was down to 38,000

Just some numbers to think about:D
 
Did a little checking and came

Oh boy do those numbers change
They will be back guys

One other stat.
1910 to 1919 there were 80,000 farms in SD
2000 to 2009 it was down to 38,000

Just some numbers to think about:D

That's what they kept saying in Iowa. They will be back boys

No their not. Their not ever coming back in Iowa and the same thing is happening to South Dakota.

Iowa's story
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/us/as-pheasants-disappear-hunters-in-iowa-follow.html?hp&_r=2&
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"Over the last two decades, Iowa has lost more than 1.6 million acres of habitat suitable for pheasants and other small game, the equivalent of a nine-mile-wide strip of land stretching practically the width of the state. And these declines have been occurring nationwide. "

South Dakota's story
http://www.pheasantsforever.org/page/1/PressReleaseViewer.jsp?pressReleaseId=117411
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"CRP grassland habitat is essential for pheasant production, and enrollment in South Dakota has declined from 1.56 million acres in 2007 to the current 1.17 million acres. According to the South Dakota Game, Fish and Parks Department, that reduction equates to more than 600 square miles of grassland habitat. Comparatively, pheasant numbers in the state are now 41 percent lower than the average of the past 10 years, a period that represented a modern historical high. "
 
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That's what they kept saying in Iowa. They will be back boys

No their not. Their not ever coming back in Iowa and the same thing is happening to South Dakota.

Iowa's story
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/us/as-pheasants-disappear-hunters-in-iowa-follow.html?hp&_r=2&
Quote
"Over the last two decades, Iowa has lost more than 1.6 million acres of habitat suitable for pheasants and other small game, the equivalent of a nine-mile-wide strip of land stretching practically the width of the state. And these declines have been occurring nationwide. "

South Dakota's story
http://www.pheasantsforever.org/page/1/PressReleaseViewer.jsp?pressReleaseId=117411
Quote
"CRP grassland habitat is essential for pheasant production, and enrollment in South Dakota has declined from 1.56 million acres in 2007 to the current 1.17 million acres. According to the South Dakota Game, Fish and Parks Department, that reduction equates to more than 600 square miles of grassland habitat. Comparatively, pheasant numbers in the state are now 41 percent lower than the average of the past 10 years, a period that represented a modern historical high. "

You are right in the short run but in the long term things always change and I think given time things will swing back the other way--they always have--but it will take a direct change to a habitat acre increase---I will not likely see it but I can hope my son does- he has seen it in what I've done on habitat and I think he will continue to do so after I'm gone:)
 
You are right in the short run but in the long term things always change and I think given time things will swing back the other way--they always have--but it will take a direct change to a habitat acre increase---I will not likely see it but I can hope my son does- he has seen it in what I've done on habitat and I think he will continue to do so after I'm gone:)

Lets hope so Jim, Let's hope so
 
The publisher posted a correction: the actual number is $250 million
 
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