A Story of Slob Hunters
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kansasbrittany
Banned
Oh boy, here we go with more "You don't have enough balls, blah, blah" whatever. I guess most of you folks must come from the "other side of the tracks" from where I grew up. Even if you call someone in, there's a slim chance they'll be caught, and even if they are they usually don't get a very severe punishment. And you're willing to be beaten, killed, or harassed for the rest of your life so that a judge can turn the wildlife violation that you've reported into a misdemeanor charge for the violator that you turned in. Then you may face retaliation, and what are you really chancing it for? Would it be worth dealing with the problems that onpoint has experienced just so you can feel you did the right thing, even though the violator only paid a $500 fine or lost his gun or whatever?
I don't mind helping out the LEO's....that part doesn't bother me. But I wouldn't consider jeopardizing my life (I have kids ya know) just to see a "bad guy" get a slap on the wrist. I'll willingly call someone in if I'm far from home, but I'll never give my personal information to the cops. I'm sorry, but I don't trust them when they say words like "confidential and annonymous". I won't go to deeply into my past, but let's just say my brother and I haven't always lived on the right side of the law. I've seen time and time again old aquantinces coming out of prison and their first day is spent hunting for the guy whose name is on the court documents. If someone is convicted of a crime and a "snitch" is involved, that person WILL get the "snitch's" name if that person made a statement.....at least that's how it works in KS. SO, by all means, continue to report the violations b/c someone should, but at their risk, not mine. Sorry to disappoint you folks. There are several guys in this thread with opposing opinions that I usually agree with, but even after reading your arguments, you haven't swayed my stance that is based on personal experience. Nor have you swayed onpoints stance which is based on his experience. I'll take experience over speculation anyday when it comes to survival.
I don't mind helping out the LEO's....that part doesn't bother me. But I wouldn't consider jeopardizing my life (I have kids ya know) just to see a "bad guy" get a slap on the wrist. I'll willingly call someone in if I'm far from home, but I'll never give my personal information to the cops. I'm sorry, but I don't trust them when they say words like "confidential and annonymous". I won't go to deeply into my past, but let's just say my brother and I haven't always lived on the right side of the law. I've seen time and time again old aquantinces coming out of prison and their first day is spent hunting for the guy whose name is on the court documents. If someone is convicted of a crime and a "snitch" is involved, that person WILL get the "snitch's" name if that person made a statement.....at least that's how it works in KS. SO, by all means, continue to report the violations b/c someone should, but at their risk, not mine. Sorry to disappoint you folks. There are several guys in this thread with opposing opinions that I usually agree with, but even after reading your arguments, you haven't swayed my stance that is based on personal experience. Nor have you swayed onpoints stance which is based on his experience. I'll take experience over speculation anyday when it comes to survival.
onpoint
Active member
JMB, do you know how far some of these people may be wiling to take to get even? When someone runs your wife and kids off the road..will it be worth it.
This person that we turned in. He has cornered my wife on two separate occasions. Once he pinned her in her car with his truck and warned her that he was going to get us. The Sheriff said that's not a touristic threat. It could mean anything. Another time he seen her working her draft horse and cart along the state Hwy. He turned up our road and waited for her. When she decided she had no choice but to attempt to come home. He was waiting for her. He drove his diesel Dodge truck up to within 6" of the horse and floored the truck in neutral..attempting to spook the horse and send my wife on a run away. If not for a 14 year old solid horse. She very well may have been severally hurt or killed. Again, she called the sheriff. They came out looked at his tracks and her tracks. Said they would go talk to him. He denied what had happened and they did nothing.
I been married to my wife for over 27 years. Do you think loosing her would be worth the damn call to the law on someone?
Many of you have no clue what could happen to you, should you make that call. Your internet bravery and promise of opening a can of whoopazz is big talk..and nothing more. These types don't fight with fists and face to face. They pick on any weak side you can provide. I'm not willing to go to prison for taking this to the level this man wants it to go to. I do have a carry permit and am armed 24/7/365. I told the under sheriff in no certain terms. I will protect myself. He chased me about a year ago in his truck. I pulled out of my folks's driveway(he thought it was my wife in the car). and I seen him come out of the road just south of us. I looked in my mirror to see the black smoke poor out of his diesel Dodge. He came up fast as to run into me. I had it floored and he stayed on my bumper all the way to 100+ MPH. The only good thing was my car was faster then his truck. This time I went to have a meeting with the under sheriff. He said, it's my word against his, unless I can show other proof. I told him. I took my conceal carry class and I am armed 24/7. The next time he uses his truck as a weapon. I will fire until the truck is disabled. I'm carrying a 500 S&W next to my seat at all times now and a 380 auto in my breast pocket. The law has of zero protection in a rural area such as where we live. The county seat is 55 miles away. He told me, you will have to do what you see fit. We can't get there in time to stop anything.
Are you sure you really want anything close to the problems I have, all over a call to the law?
Moving is our next option. Looking at more land in South Dakota. I have a 150 acre farm paid for here and planned to retire here. Won't stay here and won't make the same mistake next time.
JMB, even if your far from home. Do you not think that truck load of locals that shot a couple of roosters out of their truck window. That you turned into the law. Won't come calling on you when they see your truck at the local watering hole in the evening, since you were the only guy in the area when they committed their little violation.. Don't think you won't wake up to 4 flat tires at the motel. when they spot your truck sitting there? Just remember, you brought the fight to them. You could have just drove off and enjoyed the rest of your vacation/hunt. Not for me, I have learned to let the law take the risks. that's their job. They signed on for that not me.
This person that we turned in. He has cornered my wife on two separate occasions. Once he pinned her in her car with his truck and warned her that he was going to get us. The Sheriff said that's not a touristic threat. It could mean anything. Another time he seen her working her draft horse and cart along the state Hwy. He turned up our road and waited for her. When she decided she had no choice but to attempt to come home. He was waiting for her. He drove his diesel Dodge truck up to within 6" of the horse and floored the truck in neutral..attempting to spook the horse and send my wife on a run away. If not for a 14 year old solid horse. She very well may have been severally hurt or killed. Again, she called the sheriff. They came out looked at his tracks and her tracks. Said they would go talk to him. He denied what had happened and they did nothing.
I been married to my wife for over 27 years. Do you think loosing her would be worth the damn call to the law on someone?
Many of you have no clue what could happen to you, should you make that call. Your internet bravery and promise of opening a can of whoopazz is big talk..and nothing more. These types don't fight with fists and face to face. They pick on any weak side you can provide. I'm not willing to go to prison for taking this to the level this man wants it to go to. I do have a carry permit and am armed 24/7/365. I told the under sheriff in no certain terms. I will protect myself. He chased me about a year ago in his truck. I pulled out of my folks's driveway(he thought it was my wife in the car). and I seen him come out of the road just south of us. I looked in my mirror to see the black smoke poor out of his diesel Dodge. He came up fast as to run into me. I had it floored and he stayed on my bumper all the way to 100+ MPH. The only good thing was my car was faster then his truck. This time I went to have a meeting with the under sheriff. He said, it's my word against his, unless I can show other proof. I told him. I took my conceal carry class and I am armed 24/7. The next time he uses his truck as a weapon. I will fire until the truck is disabled. I'm carrying a 500 S&W next to my seat at all times now and a 380 auto in my breast pocket. The law has of zero protection in a rural area such as where we live. The county seat is 55 miles away. He told me, you will have to do what you see fit. We can't get there in time to stop anything.
Are you sure you really want anything close to the problems I have, all over a call to the law?
Moving is our next option. Looking at more land in South Dakota. I have a 150 acre farm paid for here and planned to retire here. Won't stay here and won't make the same mistake next time.
JMB, even if your far from home. Do you not think that truck load of locals that shot a couple of roosters out of their truck window. That you turned into the law. Won't come calling on you when they see your truck at the local watering hole in the evening, since you were the only guy in the area when they committed their little violation.. Don't think you won't wake up to 4 flat tires at the motel. when they spot your truck sitting there? Just remember, you brought the fight to them. You could have just drove off and enjoyed the rest of your vacation/hunt. Not for me, I have learned to let the law take the risks. that's their job. They signed on for that not me.
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Dakotazeb
Well-known member
onpoint, I think by now we all understand your position. Give it a rest! Like so many other issues on this site we can all agree to disagree. Everyone has to do what they feel is best for them and/or our sport.
I think we have beat this one to death. Let's just let it die.
I think we have beat this one to death. Let's just let it die.
+1 Well put Sarge. I refuse to live in Fear, however, I can see and understand both sides of this thread. Op makes a valid point about protecting family in rural areas, where law enforcement's response time can be lengthy.
Turning in these idiots in my humble opinion is the right thing to do.
henhenROOSTER!!!
New member
WOW, this is probably the single worst thread I have ever read on this forum - if I thought the main gist on here was the general opinion of all, I'm not even sure I would remain a member of this site!!! There is so much WRONG here I don't even know where to start...
1.) Obviously, very few of you are or have been actual landowners who have been forced to deal with this problem on your own land - and especially not in a crowded place like the northeastern U.S. where things are often ratcheted up to infinity & beyond...
2.) Any "TERRORIZATION" going on here sounds a hell of a lot worse from the perpetrator than the law!!!
3.) By this line of reasoning, should we also turn a deaf ear & blind eyes on the drunk driver who may possibly kill an innocent family, a neighborhood drug dealer openly doling out to all the local Jr High & High School kids, a woman being raped or beat up by her boyfriend??? How about the meth lab I ran across way deep in the TX backwoods while deer hunting???
4.) Onpoint - How big is this town where the @-hole gets away with this kind of behavior??? In the small-town America that I grew up in (which is what most pheasant/hunting towns are like), there are plenty friends & neighbors for ample backup to help make sure a bully like this SOB minds his manners once & for all - we don't always keep waiting on the cops to handle our business when they refuse to help out!
I haven't always been a preacher - not very proud of my past, but I have lived on BOTH sides of the law in everything being discussed here & I have paid fairly appropriately to the law for some of my own sins! Looking back, I would hate to think others would help enable me by turning a blind eye...
I am a fairly decent guy and will go out of my way to be nice - but one way to bring out the worst in me is to keep on running over me like a bulldozer!!! I don't go looking for trouble (& will definitely call the cops or CO first) - but I ain't gonna run forever when it has finally found or cornered me!!!
Each to his own, but two things from my perspective:
1.) At 50+ years old with all the crap I've been thru in life, I have already figured out that we're all gonna die sooner or later anyway - I aim to live freely while I'm here & ain't no low-life gonna hold me hostage from doing so.
2.) I believe in livin'-right AND forgiveness - and unfortunately, there have been a couple situations in my lifetime where right-or-wrong, guess I'll just have to pray for forgiveness and hope for the best - may the best man win!!!
Onpoint, I could tell you a personal story far worse than yours (nothing at all to do with hunting) - the guy was even an ex-cop w/law enforcement cronies & MY OWN LAWYER behind my back to back him up - no one would possibly believe the depths of the story unless they had lived thru it!!!
Also, on my own land in PA in the past I have had the most incredible run-ins with foul hunters that you can possibly imagine. It was worth the alternative to me & I wouldn't change one thing if I had it all to do over again! I know what it is to scream & yell at the top of my lungs at a guy getting in my treestand 100 yds right behind my house, "Get out now while you still can & don't even try shooting a deer, cuz I can guarantee you will never make it off the property with one!!!"...Also, once held a particularly NOTORIOUS, repetitive bad apple (known far & wide throughout the hunting community) at gunpoint with a friend/witness until the game warden got there...It was a very unpleasant experience for the both of us, but word got around quickly thru the hunting bad-boy grapevine & I can promise you he & the rest of them finally figured out that this SOB wasn't worth it & moved on down the road to easier pickings!!!
If you think I'm bad, should've seen the mean-as-a snake OLD farmer that had been there 36 yrs be4 he sold the place to me - he had a reputation throughout the entire county as someone you did not want to mess with - even took a neighbor kids motorbike away from him who was royally tearing up the property on purpose & whooped his dad's @ss when he came to get it...Horrific/shameful for a preacher to have to go gaining/maintaining a rep like that when it came to not being a pushover on my own property & then try to be the nice guy around town to everybody else, but the alternative on my own property was atrocious!!!
I'm not tryin to be some kind of bad-@ss here - I just don't think we law-abiders are the problem child. Like I said, I just don't cotton real well to being railroaded or bulldozed by anybody!!!!!!!
Grant it, the folks riding around shooting out of the truck aforementioned here might have even been the farmer or his kids on their own property, whatever, I don't know - but some kind of line has to be drawn somewhere - doesn't hurt to check, better safe than sorry!...If the mindset being proposed by some on this thread ever takes root, or news of it spreads far & wide - guess we can all start hunting wherever we want without asking & do whatever we like without fear of any repercussion!!! Just my cheap 2 cents... :cheers:
1.) Obviously, very few of you are or have been actual landowners who have been forced to deal with this problem on your own land - and especially not in a crowded place like the northeastern U.S. where things are often ratcheted up to infinity & beyond...
2.) Any "TERRORIZATION" going on here sounds a hell of a lot worse from the perpetrator than the law!!!
3.) By this line of reasoning, should we also turn a deaf ear & blind eyes on the drunk driver who may possibly kill an innocent family, a neighborhood drug dealer openly doling out to all the local Jr High & High School kids, a woman being raped or beat up by her boyfriend??? How about the meth lab I ran across way deep in the TX backwoods while deer hunting???
4.) Onpoint - How big is this town where the @-hole gets away with this kind of behavior??? In the small-town America that I grew up in (which is what most pheasant/hunting towns are like), there are plenty friends & neighbors for ample backup to help make sure a bully like this SOB minds his manners once & for all - we don't always keep waiting on the cops to handle our business when they refuse to help out!
I haven't always been a preacher - not very proud of my past, but I have lived on BOTH sides of the law in everything being discussed here & I have paid fairly appropriately to the law for some of my own sins! Looking back, I would hate to think others would help enable me by turning a blind eye...
I am a fairly decent guy and will go out of my way to be nice - but one way to bring out the worst in me is to keep on running over me like a bulldozer!!! I don't go looking for trouble (& will definitely call the cops or CO first) - but I ain't gonna run forever when it has finally found or cornered me!!!
Each to his own, but two things from my perspective:
1.) At 50+ years old with all the crap I've been thru in life, I have already figured out that we're all gonna die sooner or later anyway - I aim to live freely while I'm here & ain't no low-life gonna hold me hostage from doing so.
2.) I believe in livin'-right AND forgiveness - and unfortunately, there have been a couple situations in my lifetime where right-or-wrong, guess I'll just have to pray for forgiveness and hope for the best - may the best man win!!!
Onpoint, I could tell you a personal story far worse than yours (nothing at all to do with hunting) - the guy was even an ex-cop w/law enforcement cronies & MY OWN LAWYER behind my back to back him up - no one would possibly believe the depths of the story unless they had lived thru it!!!
Also, on my own land in PA in the past I have had the most incredible run-ins with foul hunters that you can possibly imagine. It was worth the alternative to me & I wouldn't change one thing if I had it all to do over again! I know what it is to scream & yell at the top of my lungs at a guy getting in my treestand 100 yds right behind my house, "Get out now while you still can & don't even try shooting a deer, cuz I can guarantee you will never make it off the property with one!!!"...Also, once held a particularly NOTORIOUS, repetitive bad apple (known far & wide throughout the hunting community) at gunpoint with a friend/witness until the game warden got there...It was a very unpleasant experience for the both of us, but word got around quickly thru the hunting bad-boy grapevine & I can promise you he & the rest of them finally figured out that this SOB wasn't worth it & moved on down the road to easier pickings!!!
If you think I'm bad, should've seen the mean-as-a snake OLD farmer that had been there 36 yrs be4 he sold the place to me - he had a reputation throughout the entire county as someone you did not want to mess with - even took a neighbor kids motorbike away from him who was royally tearing up the property on purpose & whooped his dad's @ss when he came to get it...Horrific/shameful for a preacher to have to go gaining/maintaining a rep like that when it came to not being a pushover on my own property & then try to be the nice guy around town to everybody else, but the alternative on my own property was atrocious!!!
I'm not tryin to be some kind of bad-@ss here - I just don't think we law-abiders are the problem child. Like I said, I just don't cotton real well to being railroaded or bulldozed by anybody!!!!!!!
Grant it, the folks riding around shooting out of the truck aforementioned here might have even been the farmer or his kids on their own property, whatever, I don't know - but some kind of line has to be drawn somewhere - doesn't hurt to check, better safe than sorry!...If the mindset being proposed by some on this thread ever takes root, or news of it spreads far & wide - guess we can all start hunting wherever we want without asking & do whatever we like without fear of any repercussion!!! Just my cheap 2 cents... :cheers:
I migh also add that if a person doesnt feel as i do about repercussions it doesnt mean he doesnt care, everyones situation and enviroment is different, i was just stating how i deal with most things, head on, and i also agree that justice is seldom done by the court system when poachers or other criminals are caught, there are people here with over 100 arests and still walking the streets. If someone was harasing my wife as told in this thread i would definatly not have the self restraint that had been demonstated here :cheers:
RK Special K
New member
I see this issue as:
Privacy/freedom
vs.
Compliance
My aim is too acheive a healthy balance between these two.
In the movie "1984" 100% compliance with the LAW was EVERYTHING. ALL personal privacy and freedom was sacrificed to obtain absolute compliance. Monitors and bugs were put in homes and businesses. Brothers, friends, neighbors, strangers - anybody, everybody, were encouraged to spy on and tattle on each other. Granted, this is the FAR extreme. And for this reason, lines NEED to be drawn.
I like to draw the line somewhat quicker than some. And this is my line:
1) Determine a reasonable level of compliance with the law. 90-95%
seems decent.
2) Hire enough professional law enforcement to obtain this target.
3) Let them do THEIR job and you mind YOURS.
Call me an isolationist both personally and nationally. We do far too much meddling in the affairs of others. It causes ill-will between nations, neighbors and fellow man. I just feel that promoting a society that is encouraged to snoop, spy, and rat on each other is BAD medicine.
By all means, protect YOUR own property. But let others figure out how to protect theirs. In an obvious crisis, we should, of course, offer assistance.
I am willing to sacrifice some compliance(even tolerating a VERY few amount of slobs) IF it means protecting a reasonable amount of my freedom, privacy, AND peace of mind amoung my fellow man.
Let's just keep the attention on the overwhelming number of good, decent, law abiding hunters, and the anti's will turn out looking like the real slobs.
Privacy/freedom
vs.
Compliance
My aim is too acheive a healthy balance between these two.
In the movie "1984" 100% compliance with the LAW was EVERYTHING. ALL personal privacy and freedom was sacrificed to obtain absolute compliance. Monitors and bugs were put in homes and businesses. Brothers, friends, neighbors, strangers - anybody, everybody, were encouraged to spy on and tattle on each other. Granted, this is the FAR extreme. And for this reason, lines NEED to be drawn.
I like to draw the line somewhat quicker than some. And this is my line:
1) Determine a reasonable level of compliance with the law. 90-95%
seems decent.
2) Hire enough professional law enforcement to obtain this target.
3) Let them do THEIR job and you mind YOURS.
Call me an isolationist both personally and nationally. We do far too much meddling in the affairs of others. It causes ill-will between nations, neighbors and fellow man. I just feel that promoting a society that is encouraged to snoop, spy, and rat on each other is BAD medicine.
By all means, protect YOUR own property. But let others figure out how to protect theirs. In an obvious crisis, we should, of course, offer assistance.
I am willing to sacrifice some compliance(even tolerating a VERY few amount of slobs) IF it means protecting a reasonable amount of my freedom, privacy, AND peace of mind amoung my fellow man.
Let's just keep the attention on the overwhelming number of good, decent, law abiding hunters, and the anti's will turn out looking like the real slobs.
henhenROOSTER!!!
New member
Yeah, I know onpoint's story (and IT IS REALLY BAD) - he knows mine too (which had nothing at all to do with hunting, but an equally horrific nightmare)...He has his way of dealing with it & I chose mine...Like I said, I don't go lookin for trouble & go out of my way to avoid it - but when it has found or cornered me (& especially when it involves threatening and harassing my wife and kids) - right-or-wrong, hypocrite-&-all, I'm not runnin forever!!!
In my mind, I can't find any legitimate reason whatsoever to let a royal horse's-hiney run roughshod over the rest of the world - including SLOB HUNTERS who mar our name & have caused me personally the loss of more honey-holes over the years than I can count! Some of you can go right on stickin your head in the sand if you want - it won't make anything better I PROMISE!!!
In my mind, I can't find any legitimate reason whatsoever to let a royal horse's-hiney run roughshod over the rest of the world - including SLOB HUNTERS who mar our name & have caused me personally the loss of more honey-holes over the years than I can count!
Some of you can go right on stickin your head in the sand if you want - it won't make anything better I PROMISE!!! 
mnmthunting
Banned
I've turned in a some waterfowl hunters for trespassing. Asked them to leave, gave me some lip. I called the County Sheriff. They got fined and the judge ordered as part of the sentence to not go onto my property again.
Another time, found a large pile, like a good size pick up load of junk and garbage on the ranch. This really pizzed me off This stuff can be dumped for free at the transfer station.
These dumb azzes had several items that identified them. Prescription bottles and receipts. 2 guys 600$ each.
Am I worried about retaliation? Some for my family. Not for me.
Another time, found a large pile, like a good size pick up load of junk and garbage on the ranch. This really pizzed me off
This stuff can be dumped for free at the transfer station.These dumb azzes had several items that identified them. Prescription bottles and receipts.
2 guys 600$ each. Am I worried about retaliation? Some for my family. Not for me.
kansasbrittany
Banned
WI ditch chicken
New member
So... only some of us have to follow the rules?
How about instead of arguing back and forth about whos right and whats right we come up with solutions to the problem.
How about instead of arguing back and forth about whos right and whats right we come up with solutions to the problem.
henhenROOSTER!!!
New member
@WI ditch chicken - OK then, when it comes to trespassers, poachers, lawbreakers, & other bad apple hunters - a simple tongue-in-cheek quote from Pat Buchanan, "Hang Em High"!!! :cheers:
Dakotazeb
Well-known member
I don't think this topic has a solution. If you can come up with one more power to you. This is one of those issues that you are either on one side or the other. I don't see a lot of middle ground or compromise here.
there are always people that will break the law/rules, as hunters and gun owners are a pretty independent group i think it will just boil down to individuals as to how the problems are dealt with, enviroment and other things will dictate how it gets handled, in my earlier post about big game hunting the deer hunting around slobs that were destroying private property and shooting from the truck, while obviously drinking to much we decided to just leave instead of confront then as we were sure it would end badly, my buddie is an LEO and we both had supressed SBR ARs with us but shooting somebody over this isnt worth it and thats were it probably would have ended.
As i stated the problen will always be there and the bad guys seen to have relative immunity in the court system,its all just an individual decision, personally i dont mess with anyone i am not willing to kill, but there are always exceptions.
As i stated the problen will always be there and the bad guys seen to have relative immunity in the court system,its all just an individual decision, personally i dont mess with anyone i am not willing to kill, but there are always exceptions.
Bird Buster
Active member
This thread gets my vote for worst of the year. To suggest turning a blind eye to intentional illegal acts for fear of retaliation is sad. Unethical slobs are a top reason the Anti's want to stop ALL hunting.
Labman
New member
Liberal values, if you don't agree with it, too bad.....
I disagree with Onpoint.......
I disagree with Onpoint.......