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pheasantaddict

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I saw an ad to lease pheasant hunting on 5,000 acres for $50,000. For a sixty day season thats 833.33/day. Yet you could hunt many places for $500 a day or less where they provide food, lodging, guide, shells, and clean birds.
 
If I could break that down into 1000 acre chunks and lease each out to groups of 5 for $500 a day that means I get $2500 a day. I bet plenty of guys would pay $100 a day for good ground. If I can only rent it for 1/2 the days I am still in the money.
 
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I saw that too! Amazing thing is the people offering the lease probably haven't done one darn thing as far as habitat improvement/preservation, just hoping to cash in, because they are absentee owners, and when they last visited, three weeks ago, they saw a bird cross the road. With truly wild birds, I bet you could hunt every hour of every day, and it would be a real feat to take 500 birds off that place, in a season, probably 250 would be closer. So somewhere between $100.00 and $200.00 per bird. Plus travel, lodging, etc. As I recall it was in an extremely remote area. I also get a kick out of the offers to lease property in Southern Iowa for $3.00-$4.00 per acre, to do what? excercise your dog? You can go to the city park for free, and find about as many birds. Might even make the $100-$200 dollar birds seem like a bargain. Hopefully nobody is that foolish or that desperate. I have leased for many years, and certainly don't have any negative feelings about leasing in general, but some of these " deals", are so ridiculous as to be insulting.
 
The one time I took a lease it turned out to be lousy. I think no huting spot is worth that kind of money or any money at all.........Bob
 
What I have seen in the lease business is the landowner leases the hunting rights to the parcel and the burden of quality falls squarely on shoulder of the buyer. Seems to be quite hard to determine quality or value of lease. Raw acres sounds good but is not a measure of quality. Management is oftentimes what is required to add vlaue to lease but is beyond control of buyer and landowner not interested.

It is viewed as a "somethin for nothin" deal for the landowner.

The basic lease for taxes is hard to beat generally though.
 
A $1,000 an acre is a little steep. I am paying about 4.00 an acre, 90 day season but you can't hunt the ground 90 straight days and expect any birds to be around. Will ge some great duck and goose hunting there also this year. PS The landowner has for opener.
 
A $1,000 an acre is a little steep. I am paying about 4.00 an acre, 90 day season but you can't hunt the ground 90 straight days and expect any birds to be around. Will ge some great duck and goose hunting there also this year. PS The landowner has for opener.

Is that the going rate for a private lease?
 
I'd like to know the same thing. Realtors in the leasing business are going for at least $10/acre. Forget that, I'm not paying it. I'm going to inquire about leases as I feel the need when asking for permission. I searched far and wide for leases from behind a computer monitor and didn't find a single property I was willing to pay what they were asking for it.

All I need to do is find one good 160 acre CRP field in the area I hunt and I'm good. Hopefully I can get that done for $5/acre or less.
 
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I can't believe that a guy would have to pay more than 5.00 per acre, anywhere, I do know some of the Texas areas, where leasing is a way of live, and been that way forever, asking 10.00 per acre or more. Mostly lessors are pitching deer and turkey, very little upland available anywhere. Most of these guys, including Texas, are pitching prices as if the upland game populations are what they were 40 years ago. Sadly they are not. Most landowners are not hunters and have no idea what the property is worth. In north MO. south Iowa, SE Nebraska, NE Kansas, If you shot 6 pheasants and 30 quail a year of a 640@ piece you'd be lucky, yet asking prices are $3-4 dollars an acre. I might pay 50 cents, and go to big running dogs and walking horses, or jumping mules to hunt it with, so you could cover enough ground to see 3 or 4 coveys a day, the lessors want to farm to the creek edge, and plant fescue in the waterways, ( and mow that!), see Brown County, Ks, or have mature Brome CRP with no burning or discing in 10 years, and think it's deserving of a premium price.
 
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Forgot to add. I lease a piece of ground 300 acres NW Missouri, all CRP, lots of clover, weedy, native grass, and tame grass, with some wooded draws and fencerows, surrounded by crops on 3 sides, access via a dead end road. Better pheasant than quail, not great by any means, but location suits me perfect. I pay $750.00 per year. Only got to hunt it once last year, at the end of the season, clear, 23 inches of snow, wind 30 mph constant, hunted 2 hours, moved 12 pheasants, 6 roosters. Went home cold and happy. look for better days ahead, but suspect we got creamed by a gruesome winter, and cold soggy spring.
 
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It's just insane! Why even pay a dime? I understand if a land owner does a lot of work to prep the land and make it an ideal habitat for birds (or any wildlife for that matter). But it doesn't sound like a lot of these greedy people do anything...they just expect hunters to pay them because that's what they and other owners have come to expect. How did it get this far? Who was the first hunter to pay to hunt private land in a quality area?
I can truly be happy walking ND PLOTS land for free (and that program is designed where the land is cost shared between Gov't and owner to make it a quality habitat and still open to public access). Seriously, why would you pay even $4/acre (and be happy about it) to hunt quality land and give the land owners the satisfaction of just sitting on their a$$e$. Its a step in the wrong direction. If hunters stopped paying the land owners, maybe the land owners will just not charge anymore - take a couple years probably. It's not like they are a resort and provide lodging, cooking, cleaning, dogs to use, etc. Until then, let their land turn into a refuge.

Really...what satisfaction do you get by paying to hunt land? I really can't understand. Even if that land was only hunted by you and not also shared with the owner themselves or another party. And to think you guys can sit here and wonder why someone would ask for $50,000 to lease 5000 acres!!! Because there is some idiot out there willing to pay that!

Check into North Dakota's PLOTS (Private Land Open To Sportsmen) program and the 8 programs within it where state and land owner share costs to develop the land into great habitat while it remains open to public access. There is roughly 1 million acres...for free!

Sorry for ruffling anyone's feathers here but com'on!
 
Seriously, why would you pay even $4/acre (and be happy about it) to hunt quality land and give the land owners the satisfaction of just sitting on their a$$e$.

That $4 is less than SD pays for it's walk-in program. Are you suggesting that SD not lease ground from land-owners?

Someone has always been paying for your hunting land. Some landowners choose to have the hunter pay for it instead of themselves.

I am not a real fan of leasing hunting ground. But your being a little harsh with the landowners who decided to do it.
 
Is that the going rate for a private lease?
I REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE. THIS IS A BIT ON THE CHEAP SIDE, BUT IT GET'S BEAT UP THAT FIRST WEEKEND. aLOT OF PASTURE, BUT IN WET YEARS THAT MEANS MORE SLOUGH. ONCE WE HUNT THE BIRDY STUFF, YOU WOULD BE SUPRIZED WHAT LITTLE COVER AREAS MAY HOLD.
I WATCHED A COMMERCIAL SITE AND ACTUALLY GOT ANOTHER SPOT IN '07 THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE CONSIDERING IT WAS ONLY A QUARTER+, BUT A GOOD DEAL. ONE YEAR AND THE GUY WHO HAD BEEN ABUSING THE OWNER GOT IT BACK, PROBABLY BY BADMOUTHING ME.
 
That $4 is less than SD pays for it's walk-in program. Are you suggesting that SD not lease ground from land-owners?

Someone has always been paying for your hunting land. Some landowners choose to have the hunter pay for it instead of themselves.

I am not a real fan of leasing hunting ground. But your being a little harsh with the landowners who decided to do it.

pretty sure you took that wrong.... Seems like all he is saying is why would a regular joe go out and lease land to hunt. had nothing to do with the state leasing ground from the land owners.

In not so many words I completely agree with him.....
 
pretty sure you took that wrong.... Seems like all he is saying is why would a regular joe go out and lease land to hunt. had nothing to do with the state leasing ground from the land owners.

In not so many words I completely agree with him.....

I think why a guy would lease land is because of limited access. If you are in the honey spots of SD, the only way the average guy can insure that you he has place to go that is unmolested is to lease the ground.
 
maybe if I hunted in the heart of South Dakotas Pheasant country I could understand that, but anywhere else I don't see a need to pay to hunt, i'd rather knock on doors, and put some miles on my boots in public ground to fill my bag.

I understand everyone is not fortunate enough to have the amounts of public access that we have in Kansas, but to each their own opinion.
 
maybe if I hunted in the heart of South Dakotas Pheasant country I could understand that, but anywhere else I don't see a need to pay to hunt, i'd rather knock on doors, and put some miles on my boots in public ground to fill my bag.

I understand everyone is not fortunate enough to have the amounts of public access that we have in Kansas, but to each their own opinion.

Here is another example. Here in my neck of the woods there is very little pheasant ground. The ground that is available sees a lot of hunting pressure or no hunting is allowed. The nearest public ground is about 35 miles away, not real far granted, and it sees a lot of hunters. If a guy had a quarter of CRP that I could rent for $5 it would be tempting. Right now I drive to SD and buy 7-8 licenses a year. The $650 I would pay for the lease would be cheap.

I'd like to say if that opportunity arose I wouldlike to say I would pass on the principle of it but it would be tempting.
 
Sticking up for the leasee's

I understand the emotion involved about hunting a "public resource" and paying for the priviledge. It's a mouthful to swallow. On the other hand, if I can lease a piece of property large enough to suit me, and not have to stake it out two hours before dawn, on opening day, or walk-in to birdy public ground, rousting a covey of quail, only to be unable to follow them up because some numb skull archery deer hunter is sitting in a tree in the firing line, ( didn't make this up, done it once in Nebraska on opening day, and once in Kansas), or having arrived at a place where I had permission to hunt for free, only to find coon hunters, who also had permission, leaving for night, and telling me how many birds they blundered into in the dark. Public hunting areas are pounded, day after day, any bird you shoot there is surely a trophy or an accident of the dumb luck variety. I prefer to hunt in a leisurely organized fashion, I hunt with my twin daughters who are 13,and numerous dogs, I got enough to keep and eye on, I don't want to have my head on a swivel constantly afraid I/we will shoot someone or get shot, while tripping over shotshells left by some inconsiderate slob who was there yesterday, and breasted his birds in the parking lot, and left the parts for me to wrestle away from the dogs. So I lease, and I'd lease more if I could find it worth the money. All of you who hunt free, lease too, with gas tax dollars, lodging tax dollars, lisence fees, stamps, and Pittman Robertson fees on guns and ammo. Besides, if you lease some ground at a nominal fee, the landowner and you know who's responsible, and who's not, maybe if your lucky you plant the seed in the landowners brain that wildlife has real value, and maybe he leaves the weedy corner, or doesn't bulldoze the hedgerow, plants native grass instead of fescue, because you paid him a few hundred dollars and he instinctively wants you to do good when you hunt and continue the relationship. Contemplate that.
 
Like md said, for some it's a better deal to lease. Especially where there is limited public or walk in. I would like to lease, to have an area that's not getting pounded all the time. You also wouldn't have to hassle landowners trying to get permission to hunt.
 
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That $4 is less than SD pays for it's walk-in program. Are you suggesting that SD not lease ground from land-owners?

Someone has always been paying for your hunting land. Some landowners choose to have the hunter pay for it instead of themselves.

I am not a real fan of leasing hunting ground. But your being a little harsh with the landowners who decided to do it.

Its my opinion that its these land owners screwing over the local communities. Just think how many MORE people would travel to these towns, use their hotels, restaurants, gas stations, etc if there was free hunting land. Its just all around better for the local ecomony but as I see it, the owners charging this outrageous fee to hunt only reduces how many people actually come into the community to patronize these services.

how many of you here can say that they could afford to pay a lease, gas, hotel stay, food, etc? If so, great! But just think of the average joe who can't and just wants to take their kid out and introduce them to this sport we so passionately love. Chances are, most of us hunt because our own fathers took us out and its a chance to relive some of those memories growing up. Now it's our generations turn to prep the next round of future hunters for this sport. But really, I see hunting slowly becoming a rich-man's sport. Plus, this day and age, I believe there are far more average joes than a rich guy. Why are we even paying memberships, attending banquets for Pheasants Forever??? It's not just focusing on the now and buying all this land...it's helping enhance what land is already there and making the habitat even better for the future of the sport and pheasants. So Thank you all who are members of PF and volunteer their time so someone else other than your own kids can enjoy the land in the years to come.

Honestly, the owner who wants to lease 5ooo acres for $50,000 has no heart or common sense. Someone said it earlier...portion out that land and charge less...how can one man or hunting party possibly hunt 5000 acres in a season? So the owner is just screwing himself and his local economy in this greedy effort to make a quick buck targeting a pretty small niche.

Really, put yourself in the shoes of a small town business owner who probably depends solely on hunting season to keep their business going. Are you going to like having this greedy landowner as a neighbor who's looking for a rich person (who if likely can afford that lease will probably be driving through town in a pretty nice camper set up and just park that on the 5000 acres somewhere loaded up with all the food, shells, and necessities for that trip). So then the hotel owner misses out on that stay. Grocery store/Restaurants owners not selling food. Liquor store...same story. Soon it will just be a ghost town (ok, maybe a little far fetched perhaps but may also be a reality for some of these towns)

I would rather see this land owner charge a lot less (nothing preferably), split up his land for more people to enjoy so that it draws more people into the community. It's not rocket science. So everyone benefits in the end.

It's becoming more clear why these pheasant hot spots have the bird numbers they do. People can't afford to get into those areas to hunt birds. So much of the land is more of a refuge and sanctuary. I'm sure there would be many more hot spots all over if each area started charging for land access. Ultimately, it will be unhealthy to have that many pheasants in one area. They will just choke themselves out. I'm guessing that land owner also isn't doing anything to better the land to support that many more birds.

So am I the one being a little harsh? Yeah, probably. What do you think this land owners neighbors and community are saying/thinking about the $50,000 the owner is asking?

Its just sad!
 
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