GSP or Lab?

You're surely a friendly chap who knows everything, aren't you.

I gave you a link to click on for information and I also provided you with one of the finest breeders of Labrador retrievers in the country located in Minnesota which you asked for. Labradors are some of the finest upland dogs that you can hunt with, and they are very versatile. Anything else? You should also have a question mark at the end of your last sentence!!
 
Pretty much!

I have stated that I am open to either. I have not bad mouthed either breed or their abilities. All I did was state that my "vision", "experience", "perception", etc., was that Labs were waterfowl dogs and GPS's were upland dogs.

Was looking for a little insight, that was all.

Well, as a rookie poster I encourage you to just hang in there and roll with it. This forum is overall a good one but sometimes . . . well, now you know.
 
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Nothing beats my chihuahua...she gets under the lowest branches and

gets em out of there.

Good interjection of needed humor! :D Seriously, I have hunted with a guy who fields a small Jack Russell and it's pretty effective. No lie! :eek:
 
Thanks. That was my goal to try to defuse the heat as I enjoy this forum and it hurts to see other members go at it.

My brother had a Jack Russell also that lived to be 18 1/2 years old and ran until he was 18.....he loved pheasant parts when he found them!
 
However, again, I just do not see a Lab at an upland dog.

You've opened a can or worms....;)

Seriously, their both wonderful breeds. it's just a matter of picking one and then researching breeders as many times on this board it has been stated that there are differences within each breed itself, so finding a breeder that will provide a pup that fit's what you want is imperative.

PM Sent.
 
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Thanks. That was my goal to try to defuse the heat as I enjoy this forum and it hurts to see other members go at it.

My brother had a Jack Russell also that lived to be 18 1/2 years old and ran until he was 18.....he loved pheasant parts when he found them!

What heat? Just a good discussion with people passionate about dogs and upland hunting. Nothing wrong with someone taking a strong stance. Morningrise got a little personal but other than that I thought this was all good. He now knows that labs are excellent upland dogs, at least we hope so!

Here are a few links:
http://www.holzingerkennels.com/
http://www.highcaliberlabradors.com/
http://www.saukriverlabs.com/
http://www.iowapointinglabs.com/

Just stay away from anything going back to Kelloggs dogs.
 
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Westksbow, you are getting waaaayyyy to ramped up here. Share your advice and let go if people don't wish to heed it. Becoming upset and defensive will not FORCE people to listen. Just the same, if you yell loudest during a debate, and talk the most, it doesn't mean you won.
 
What heat? Just a good discussion with people passionate about dogs and upland hunting. Nothing wrong with someone taking a strong stance. Morningrise got a little personal but other than that I thought this was all good. He now knows that labs are excellent upland dogs, at least we hope so!

Here are a few links:
http://www.holzingerkennels.com/
http://www.highcaliberlabradors.com/
http://www.saukriverlabs.com/
http://www.iowapointinglabs.com/

Just stay away from anything going back to Kelloggs dogs.



It all is as it is! No Biggie and we all know how voiceless and emotionless text on a computer screen can be misinterpreted.

I appreciate the links you provided here!

:cheers:
 
You would do fine with either breed as there are dogs in either that will accomplish what you like. To say that a lab can't be an upland dog is as asinine as saying a GSP is one dimensional. I have hunted with labs that point quite often and it is enjoyable. One was a CPR from Saux River Labs. I have also seen several that were taught to stand game and although effectively the same action, is different than pointing. My suggestion would be to decide how you would like to hunt. If you want primarily a pointing dog, I would suggest the GSP. Who am I kidding, I'd suggest the GSP regardless. And as a matter sharing info, a GSP is classified as a versatile breed. They are expected to do upland, waterfowl, fur and tracking. If you want some suggestions for breeders, feel free to send me a pm with what you are looking for and I would be glad to help.
 
If you can't "SEE" a lab as an upland dog then you are probably blind! Holzinger Kennels is as good as it gets as far as pointing labs. Anything as closely bred to GMPR MHR Rik's Risky Raider SH MH is as good as it gets. Oh by the way, the 2001 US Open Pheasant Hunting Championship.

I have a pup from Terry's lines and at 1.5 yrs old he'll hunt with Any breed.
He will hunt a field wide open and under control all day long, most the time taking less than an hour to limit on public lands that get pounded, when the fancy pointers can't pin a bird anymore my labs are putting birds in my freezer.

I love all sporting dogs, but my area is best suited for flushers after the young birds have been shot, I know guys that shoot 1-5 birds with their pointers all year in Wisconsin and rip me apart about my labs but they don't ever want to be around them while hunting because they produce the birds. relentless drive, no matter the weather or terrain.

No matter the breed do your homework, there are all kinds within every breed, my lab is probably a lot hotter than most would like but with training he's 100% under control, Terry describes him as a hi powered dog, remember you can't put desire into a lazy dog, but you can control it. if you only occasionally hunt then you may need a less driven line of dogs.

As for them being upland dogs, we shoot 100+ birds a year over my labs in a state not known for pheasants, grouse hunt until it's over, then we will be tournament hunting and shed hunting, labs can handle anything in the field!
 
I should have read all the posts befor I posted but I should also add my older lab won't step foot in a pond and my buddy's GSP will retrieve ducks/geese all day long!

Find someone close to you and see if you can hunt behind their dog, best way to try it out!

Good luck in your search!
 
I found my lab is a better upland dog than waterfowl. He has a strong drive and while he is steady for waterfowl he wants to move. He is at home chasing grouse in the woods and pulling pheasants out of the thickest cover. The one question I have is do you want a pointing dog or flushing? I have no experience with pointing labs but you never said what style of dog you like to hunt behind. If you still plan on waterfowl hunting in the north ( I am assuming the north as where you asked for breeders ) I would look for a dog with a thicker coat. Not that GSPs can't hunt ducks but I find a thin coat can be hard on a pup. My lab has a thin coat and when it gets cold up here I take precautions. Either way with putting in the time to train both are excellent upland dogs with each their own style.
 
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Are you in Wisconsin? What are you looking for in a GSP? I know a few breeders but they each would give you a different dog. Once I know more I could give you a breeder recommendation.


I'm 20 min south of Madison.

As for the dog, in addition to being "birdy", a dog that has high drive, but not so much that it never settles down. "Lines" that work hard, but can relax at home. Although we have 2 Siberian Huskies and that is a hyper breed too.
 
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