UGUIDE
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Really bummed out! Just canceled opener this weekend
Why? Need more info
Will public be any good in SD this year?
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was going with a buddy who has a new dog. Long story shot, the guy he got his dog from was out there training dogs and was gonna have everything scoped out for us (since neither of us has hunted there) and he told us not to bother! No birds in 3-4 days he was working dogs.
We were going to the Pierre area to hunt Partridge and Sharptails. Now I think Im going back up North here to the cabin and hunt some game farm bids again..... It's ok, the place I go gets little pressure and is very natural and the birds flush and are very large.
:thumbsup:
We were going to the Pierre area to hunt Partridge and Sharptails. Now I think Im going back up North here to the cabin and hunt some game farm bids again..... It's ok, the place I go gets little pressure and is very natural and the birds flush and are very large.
:thumbsup:
SD..You got what you wanted
Forget the public land...what was there is pounded. So the hunter who isnt established with the proper connections to private land has a tough time. So those greedy farmers(not all of you) who try to charge $125 per gun per day are estatic im sure.
For us its the hidden gem to the north...more open land, plenty of birds, resonable lodging and food..2- 7 day licenses...
Wherever you go ..happy, safe hunting.
Forget the public land...what was there is pounded. So the hunter who isnt established with the proper connections to private land has a tough time. So those greedy farmers(not all of you) who try to charge $125 per gun per day are estatic im sure.
For us its the hidden gem to the north...more open land, plenty of birds, resonable lodging and food..2- 7 day licenses...
Wherever you go ..happy, safe hunting.
I am curious what it is that we got that we wanted. Was it the droughth? I would have preferred about 7 more inches of rain spread out over this summer.
actually, it's been that way for quite some time. the lack of cover on public ground this season will make it much worse......and one more dry year will really knock down the bird hunting.......time to look for greener pastures.
droughts tend to run in cycles, unfortunately.
droughts tend to run in cycles, unfortunately.
carptom1
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Yea i'm sure most SD farmers would trade a bountififul crop on a couple thousand acres for 6 weeks of trespass fees because of the drought.
Even in my confused mind that makes no sense.
UGUIDE
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What it really all comes down to is fair market value and landowner rights.
When you start to consider that your hunting access options are controlled more by the market than by a person you will begin the process of taking off the rose colored glasses.
Here's what new in the "market" regarding landowner rights:
Farming rights - the grain markets are global and are willing to pay top dollar for commodities like corn, beans and wheat
Mineral rights - Look no further than North Dakota to see what is happening there regarding oil. Related to that are the companies buying up land that has sand reserves to use for fracking for gas and oil mining.
Conservation Rights - The public leases land from landowners to put in conservation programs like CRP and multiple easements for clean water, air and carbon sequestration.
Hunting rights - Hunters pay landowners to lease the hunting rights for all kinds of species across this country. Whitetail, pheasant, waterfowl to name a few.
The right of quiet enjoyment - This is just one of a host of other rights the landowner gets when purchasing a piece of property with their hard earned money.
We hunters would like to believe that the future of hunting is left to those with noble motives but in reality, for those that own land that want to have access to the funds to put braces on their kids teeth, the commercial motives are the driving force in the equation in today's market and global economy.
Change agents, like Pheasants Forever and many others, will have to not only have a strong noble motive for conservation, but also be firmly grounded in the reality of the commercial markets affecting the environment in which they are attempting to effect change upon.
When you start to consider that your hunting access options are controlled more by the market than by a person you will begin the process of taking off the rose colored glasses.
Here's what new in the "market" regarding landowner rights:
Farming rights - the grain markets are global and are willing to pay top dollar for commodities like corn, beans and wheat
Mineral rights - Look no further than North Dakota to see what is happening there regarding oil. Related to that are the companies buying up land that has sand reserves to use for fracking for gas and oil mining.
Conservation Rights - The public leases land from landowners to put in conservation programs like CRP and multiple easements for clean water, air and carbon sequestration.
Hunting rights - Hunters pay landowners to lease the hunting rights for all kinds of species across this country. Whitetail, pheasant, waterfowl to name a few.
The right of quiet enjoyment - This is just one of a host of other rights the landowner gets when purchasing a piece of property with their hard earned money.
We hunters would like to believe that the future of hunting is left to those with noble motives but in reality, for those that own land that want to have access to the funds to put braces on their kids teeth, the commercial motives are the driving force in the equation in today's market and global economy.
Change agents, like Pheasants Forever and many others, will have to not only have a strong noble motive for conservation, but also be firmly grounded in the reality of the commercial markets affecting the environment in which they are attempting to effect change upon.
if you have 2 sons that would like to hunt with their Dad, it would run about $450 a day for trespass fees only...that's a bargain few can afford.
One 15 year old that hunts and luckily money isnt an issue!:thumbsup:
I will have shot at least 50 birds by the time SD opener rolls around, so if it's good and I get a good report.... I'll run out and pay the tiny fee to hunt, if not I will shoot some birds around here and hit the better game farms that dont have 500 guys going through them every weekend.
I see guys with 5k wrapped in their dogs and 2,500 shotguns and fancy clothes.... whats a couple hundred more to use these things????
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UGUIDE
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simpletranslation..........public hunting opportunities will continue to shrink, while private pay to hunt fees will continue to rise.
I don't think that SD is losing any public land nor any other state for that matter. And South Dakota now has more acres of public access CREP than it ever did because it was never and option before.
Fees have been rising for years everywhere. So have taxes and land prices and the demand for private land acres to produce.
People have been paying me to hunt on my land for ten years now. Some of the originals are still hunting with me. They must think it is a good deal as they keep coming back. I think that if I told them that I was quitting the hunting business and going to farm ditch to ditch that they would be very dissapointed.
Just remember Chris who started this thread...........haha
UGUIDE
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Hey TerryB, this is a fair chase pheasant forum....
Here's a real scary thought for everyone. 10 years ago land was selling for around $700/acre that today would sell for about $4700/acre. If a group of guys got together 10 years ago to cost share a farm they could hunt on for the season and own it or lease it out to others, what would the split have to be to "cost share that same farm" this year? How much would each person have to put in the pot. Think it would be a tad more if they tried to do that plan this year than 10 years ago? Some might say it isn't even possible or that they could not justify the costs vs. the return. It also might make public hunting options look really really good compared to the alternative.
I think we can all agree that there will be public hunting grounds for the forseeable future. Some will hunt public no matter what and some will pay a treasspass fee for "better" hunting and cover.
In our case, If our farmer were to raise prices another $25 per gun I believe we would all still agree to go. If he raised it $50 or more, I believe we would stay home and put that money into pen raised birds / clubs. Gas right now here in Illinois is $4.35 a gallon. For me to fill my SUV and tow a trailer with a quad and gear to SD is going to be a killer.
Our 4 day SD trip is very very expensive. If any costs rise anymore, we won't be going to SD no matter how great the hunting will be.
Bob
In our case, If our farmer were to raise prices another $25 per gun I believe we would all still agree to go. If he raised it $50 or more, I believe we would stay home and put that money into pen raised birds / clubs. Gas right now here in Illinois is $4.35 a gallon. For me to fill my SUV and tow a trailer with a quad and gear to SD is going to be a killer.
Our 4 day SD trip is very very expensive. If any costs rise anymore, we won't be going to SD no matter how great the hunting will be.
Bob
you can put a lot of pen raised birds, besides the ones you stumble across in SD, in front of your dog close to home, for what a round trip is going to cost this year....