captaincoot
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The struggling farmer...2013 farm bill
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captaincoot
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Looks like the smart rich people ran away
Bankers said they had awesome cashflows for housing markets a few years ago:thumbsup: That turned out rather swell:thumbsup: Only costed the 98% 1.5 trillion
Bankers said they had awesome cashflows for housing markets a few years ago:thumbsup: That turned out rather swell:thumbsup: Only costed the 98% 1.5 trillion
onpoint
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Looks like the smart rich people ran away
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Their next monopoly planned...rental housing.
It's a free country. Go rent a 1,000 acres and spend $300.00/acre to plant it and hope it rains, and not too much.
49 million Americans on food stamps. Go to ewg.org and see what subsidy any farmer in the U.S. collected in the last 10 years, it's staggering. People with money in the stock market are benefiting from QE forever at the tune of 84 billion a month. Digitizing money sounds like a great idea too me. Nothing bad can come of that, right?
49 million Americans on food stamps. Go to ewg.org and see what subsidy any farmer in the U.S. collected in the last 10 years, it's staggering. People with money in the stock market are benefiting from QE forever at the tune of 84 billion a month. Digitizing money sounds like a great idea too me
. Nothing bad can come of that, right?
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onpoint
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Such individuals push to cut assistance to our veterans, saying folks need to get off the government teat...calls it socialism...but then banks over a 1/4 million in government hand outs herself in subsidies. Pathetic!!!
Funny..benefits for both drawn from the same government department. USDA
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/10/29/nearly-1-million-vets-face-food-stamps-cut.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/22/bachmann-farm-subisidies_n_400608.html
Now the hypocrites calling themselves Christians are targeting the pope. Even the Pope is not allowed to help the poor. Apparently they have not read what we call the bible. Mathew 6:24
Have a great day
Funny..benefits for both drawn from the same government department. USDA
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/10/29/nearly-1-million-vets-face-food-stamps-cut.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/22/bachmann-farm-subisidies_n_400608.html
Now the hypocrites calling themselves Christians are targeting the pope. Even the Pope is not allowed to help the poor. Apparently they have not read what we call the bible. Mathew 6:24
Have a great day
Ranger Rick
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An article from The Blaze...
Wait Until You Hear How Many Farm Subsidies Are Going to Groups in?the City of Chicago ? Including One Associated With Louis Farrakhan
Dec. 9, 2013 11:00pm Becket Adams
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Between 2008 and 2011, the U.S. government awarded roughly $6.12 million in federal farm subsidies to several groups in the Chicago area, including a charity owned by Louis Farrakhan?s The Nation of Islam, according to a report released by government watchdog group Open the Books.
Nothing to Do With Farming: New Report Outlines Complicated Web of Farm Subsidy Spending Include Thousands to a Louis Farrakhan Associated Group
The Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan (Getty Images)
The report, titled ?Farm Subsidies and the Big Dogs,? is based on data released by the U.S. Department of Agriculture & information obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. The report examines total farm subsidies that have been paid into selected cities and urban areas.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, federal farm subsidies are being poured into several non-farming metropolitan areas, including New York City and Chicago, according to the report.
Several entities in Chicago, for example, ?receive the federal subsidies at their downtown loop office buildings or residential mansions,? the report reads. ?Nearly every neighborhood in the city receives federal farm subsidy payments ? including the Gold Coast, Downtown ? Loop, Lincoln Park, and even the President?s neighbors in Hyde Park.?
A total of 930 entities in the Chicago area received farm subsidies between 2008 and 2011.
And as for the Louis Farrakhan group: Three Years Economic Savings, Inc., which is listed at his home address, received approximately $103,529 between 2008 and 2011, making it the 12th highest farm subsidy recipient in the Chicago area.
The entity?s status is listed on the Illinois Secretary of State website as being ?not good standing,? the Open the Books reported. But the Three Years Economic Savings? website, muhammadfarms.com, is still accepting donations.
The group also received a $26,357 ?commodity loan? during the Bush administration ?to improve & stabilize farm income, assist with a better balance between supply and demand of the commodities,? the report notes.
This loan was signed on Nov., 17, 2008.
The group?s estimates of farm subsidy payments are based on several data points including crop subsidies, conservation & wetland reserve subsidies, dairy & livestock subsidies, & environmental quality incentive programs.
Of all Illinois municipalities receiving federal farm subsidies, Chicago is ranked number seven, according to the report. And of all states receiving federal farm subsidies, Illinois is ranked number three.
But if you think the situation in Chicago is suspicious, keep in mind what?s happening there is only a snapshot of what?s going on nationwide with federal farm subsidies.
?Billions in U.S. Farm Subsidies flowed to only 10,806 Recipients ? each receiving at least $250,000? between 2008 and 2011, the report notes. ?Each received an (average) of $417,316.?
This would seem to imply that a lot more than farming is being subsidized by the federal government.
Nothing to Do With Farming: New Report Outlines Complicated Web of Farm Subsidy Spending Include Thousands to a Louis Farrakhan Associated Group
A map showing just some of the locations in the city of Chicago receiving farm subsidies. (Source: Open the Books)
?(F)arm subsidies today have nothing to do with ?preserving the family farm,?? the report reads, adding that small family farms between 2008 and 2011 received only a small fraction of federal subsidies.
?Wealthy investors have piggy-backed on a growing government program and made the largess of farm subsidies part of their investment portfolio. Many of these wealthy investors don?t live in ?rural areas,? but instead utilize ?farm managers? and taxpayer dollars to maximize return on their ?farm? investments,? the report notes.
But, again, this shouldn?t come as too much of a surprise. Media outlets have reported for years that a very small (but elite) group of recipients take the lion?s share of the billions paid out each year by Uncle Sam. Indeed, roughly 10 percent of total recipients account for nearly 74 percent doled out annually.
The Open the Books report adds this final thought: ?Traditionally, farm subsidies have been Republican pork while Democrats had the food stamp subsidies to pass out to their base. Both programs were bound together and passed with substantial support. However, this year the House Republicans separated the bills. This year, in theory, reform is possible.?
Wait Until You Hear How Many Farm Subsidies Are Going to Groups in?the City of Chicago ? Including One Associated With Louis Farrakhan
Dec. 9, 2013 11:00pm Becket Adams
417
9.9K
20
1
92
Related:
Louis Farrakhan
Between 2008 and 2011, the U.S. government awarded roughly $6.12 million in federal farm subsidies to several groups in the Chicago area, including a charity owned by Louis Farrakhan?s The Nation of Islam, according to a report released by government watchdog group Open the Books.
Nothing to Do With Farming: New Report Outlines Complicated Web of Farm Subsidy Spending Include Thousands to a Louis Farrakhan Associated Group
The Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan (Getty Images)
The report, titled ?Farm Subsidies and the Big Dogs,? is based on data released by the U.S. Department of Agriculture & information obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. The report examines total farm subsidies that have been paid into selected cities and urban areas.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, federal farm subsidies are being poured into several non-farming metropolitan areas, including New York City and Chicago, according to the report.
Several entities in Chicago, for example, ?receive the federal subsidies at their downtown loop office buildings or residential mansions,? the report reads. ?Nearly every neighborhood in the city receives federal farm subsidy payments ? including the Gold Coast, Downtown ? Loop, Lincoln Park, and even the President?s neighbors in Hyde Park.?
A total of 930 entities in the Chicago area received farm subsidies between 2008 and 2011.
And as for the Louis Farrakhan group: Three Years Economic Savings, Inc., which is listed at his home address, received approximately $103,529 between 2008 and 2011, making it the 12th highest farm subsidy recipient in the Chicago area.
The entity?s status is listed on the Illinois Secretary of State website as being ?not good standing,? the Open the Books reported. But the Three Years Economic Savings? website, muhammadfarms.com, is still accepting donations.
The group also received a $26,357 ?commodity loan? during the Bush administration ?to improve & stabilize farm income, assist with a better balance between supply and demand of the commodities,? the report notes.
This loan was signed on Nov., 17, 2008.
The group?s estimates of farm subsidy payments are based on several data points including crop subsidies, conservation & wetland reserve subsidies, dairy & livestock subsidies, & environmental quality incentive programs.
Of all Illinois municipalities receiving federal farm subsidies, Chicago is ranked number seven, according to the report. And of all states receiving federal farm subsidies, Illinois is ranked number three.
But if you think the situation in Chicago is suspicious, keep in mind what?s happening there is only a snapshot of what?s going on nationwide with federal farm subsidies.
?Billions in U.S. Farm Subsidies flowed to only 10,806 Recipients ? each receiving at least $250,000? between 2008 and 2011, the report notes. ?Each received an (average) of $417,316.?
This would seem to imply that a lot more than farming is being subsidized by the federal government.
Nothing to Do With Farming: New Report Outlines Complicated Web of Farm Subsidy Spending Include Thousands to a Louis Farrakhan Associated Group
A map showing just some of the locations in the city of Chicago receiving farm subsidies. (Source: Open the Books)
?(F)arm subsidies today have nothing to do with ?preserving the family farm,?? the report reads, adding that small family farms between 2008 and 2011 received only a small fraction of federal subsidies.
?Wealthy investors have piggy-backed on a growing government program and made the largess of farm subsidies part of their investment portfolio. Many of these wealthy investors don?t live in ?rural areas,? but instead utilize ?farm managers? and taxpayer dollars to maximize return on their ?farm? investments,? the report notes.
But, again, this shouldn?t come as too much of a surprise. Media outlets have reported for years that a very small (but elite) group of recipients take the lion?s share of the billions paid out each year by Uncle Sam. Indeed, roughly 10 percent of total recipients account for nearly 74 percent doled out annually.
The Open the Books report adds this final thought: ?Traditionally, farm subsidies have been Republican pork while Democrats had the food stamp subsidies to pass out to their base. Both programs were bound together and passed with substantial support. However, this year the House Republicans separated the bills. This year, in theory, reform is possible.?
double trigger
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There was a bunch of farmers in the 80's said the were making money like crazy to. Two years later allsorts of auctions
Making comments like this on a pheasant hunting forum I have to believe you're just baiting people. Get rid of CRP? If not for the CRP and groups like Pheasants Forever being active in the last 25 years, pheasant hunting would be pathetic and this forum probably wouldn't even exist for you to post on. Don't kid yourself, if pheasant hunting becomes privatized/all pay-to-play the sport will not be available to a large chunk of the population and for all practical purposes will cease to exist. If this is the future you want go for it but I couldn't disagree more
captaincoot
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Me baiting You're on to me
You're on to me
onpoint
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Not that long ago, I read data on ewg.org people were collecting cotton subsidies in Washington D.C. How much farm land do you think their is in Washington D.C. ?
That won't happen, to many people who vote have relations who get subsidies, including themselves. research Vickie Hartzler, and Sam Graves, both serving members in Missouri. This is not an across the aisle issue. What ever political persona you identify, there is one across the aisle more egregious. Less government is the right answer, we talk about free reign economy, but in the stock market, the farm business, countless others, some industries who are adept at maneuvering the legislation will come out ahead, and become to "essential" to fail. That's my new theory become to essential to fail. I think that means if you go broke, you take at least half of the country with you, better if it's half the world! Now you saved yourself and the rest of the public, and might even be a hero!
I watched the whole summit right now, since my last post. I believe that like one of the catchphrases, "with great challenge comes great opportunity"; there are a pile of resources available to the SD GFP to make the existing public lands a better habitat for wildlife. The money speaks for itself, and with the ag industry at 21 Billion dollars compared to the 0.25 billion dollar hunting industry, there will be absolutely nothing done to create "incentives" that would lean a bill towards the goal that most if not all the people on here and that come to SD have.
However... to influence the market is to influence the position of those that make the bills we all have to live by. If corn (ethanol) can be made to stand on its own and a push to create more wheat based products could be created then the AG industry would follow that way.
The enforcement of Right of way / section line farming would be an interesting topic to breach, but what would the fine be to prevent the farmer from doing such a thing?
However... to influence the market is to influence the position of those that make the bills we all have to live by. If corn (ethanol) can be made to stand on its own and a push to create more wheat based products could be created then the AG industry would follow that way.
The enforcement of Right of way / section line farming would be an interesting topic to breach, but what would the fine be to prevent the farmer from doing such a thing?
moellermd
Super Moderator
The reason you see "non-farmers" get farm program payments is probably due to them owning land and crop sharing with the tenant. They own the land and share in the expenses and receive a share of the crop instead of rent. They are eligible for farm program payments just like the farmer.
SDJIM
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He would be forced to read this thread for a year--maybe a cruel punishment but just
CRP is a farm subsidy!
Moellermd is right. I am a farmer and live in a big city and have another source of income. I sharecrop, and to do that you register with the FSA office and get crop insurance and may or may not enroll in CRP. If you like animals and habitat preservation you take advantage of CRP and other programs to benefit wildlife. If you enroll in those programs you get a government subsidy. If you buy crop insurance you get a government subsidy. I suppose if you outright own the land or have not borrowed any money you can go without crop insurance, but if you borrow you have to get the insurance, and would be crazy to forgo it. The money looks huge, but on the website that reports it, it is the total money paid out over something like 20 years. The money paid out is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the land and the price of farming. Most agree direct payments should be eliminated, crop insurance may or may not need be tweaked, but you have to pay to get it, it is not free, it is not given to you and it only pays out for a very poor crop and really only helps to defray the input costs and mortgage payments. As for CRP or CP-33 or other subsidized government programs, if you eliminate them you will loose a massive amount of habitat and upland bird hunting might cease to exist as we know it. Hunters and well intentioned people need to be careful for what they wish for in the new farm bill. No one is getting rich off of these government subsidized programs. Furthermore, every American is the beneficiary of some sort of government program. Maybe it is the public transportation you use to get to work, the road you drive on, the fire and police you rely on, the schools you send your children to, the subsidy your company may get to be headquartered in your state. The list goes on and on.
Moellermd is right. I am a farmer and live in a big city and have another source of income. I sharecrop, and to do that you register with the FSA office and get crop insurance and may or may not enroll in CRP. If you like animals and habitat preservation you take advantage of CRP and other programs to benefit wildlife. If you enroll in those programs you get a government subsidy. If you buy crop insurance you get a government subsidy. I suppose if you outright own the land or have not borrowed any money you can go without crop insurance, but if you borrow you have to get the insurance, and would be crazy to forgo it. The money looks huge, but on the website that reports it, it is the total money paid out over something like 20 years. The money paid out is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the land and the price of farming. Most agree direct payments should be eliminated, crop insurance may or may not need be tweaked, but you have to pay to get it, it is not free, it is not given to you and it only pays out for a very poor crop and really only helps to defray the input costs and mortgage payments. As for CRP or CP-33 or other subsidized government programs, if you eliminate them you will loose a massive amount of habitat and upland bird hunting might cease to exist as we know it. Hunters and well intentioned people need to be careful for what they wish for in the new farm bill. No one is getting rich off of these government subsidized programs. Furthermore, every American is the beneficiary of some sort of government program. Maybe it is the public transportation you use to get to work, the road you drive on, the fire and police you rely on, the schools you send your children to, the subsidy your company may get to be headquartered in your state. The list goes on and on.
FCSpringer
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Can't blame the farmer. Don't hate the player, hate the game.:thumbsup:
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captaincoot
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I hate crp because most of its junk only good stuff is the guys that have hunting on their brain:thumbsup: You go in the office and ask why some crp is junk guy tells you they did the bare min. which means it ain't worth a crap for wildlife But yet they have that mix for the crp program Just wait for the to big to fail farm bailout
only good stuff is the guys that have hunting on their brain:thumbsup: You go in the office and ask why some crp is junk guy tells you they did the bare min. which means it ain't worth a crap for wildlife But yet they have that mix for the crp program Just wait for the to big to fail farm bailout
mnmthunting
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2012 there was some 16 Billion dollars paid on crop insurance claims.
11 Billion picked up by tax payers.
The worst thing about crop insurance is it's with private insurance companies.
Farm producers pay 38% of the premiums, tax payers pay 62% through the farm program. Insurance agency's don't ask questions, will sell a premium because there are guaranteed checks coming from the USDA. So who's there to police the Crop insurance program?
Most producers do a good job with it and use crop insurance as a necessity.
I see a good many acres of marginal land being farmed for the insurance. MN, ND and MT. No way would this land be farmed without the insurance.
Land that will never have a profitable crop.
The Farm Program should make it more profitable for the producer to put the marginal land into CRP for instance then farm the land for crop insurance.
11 Billion picked up by tax payers.
The worst thing about crop insurance is it's with private insurance companies.
Farm producers pay 38% of the premiums, tax payers pay 62% through the farm program. Insurance agency's don't ask questions, will sell a premium because there are guaranteed checks coming from the USDA. So who's there to police the Crop insurance program?
Most producers do a good job with it and use crop insurance as a necessity.
I see a good many acres of marginal land being farmed for the insurance. MN, ND and MT. No way would this land be farmed without the insurance.
Land that will never have a profitable crop.
The Farm Program should make it more profitable for the producer to put the marginal land into CRP for instance then farm the land for crop insurance.
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onpoint
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UGUIDE
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The taxpayer made a deal somewhere along the line to say "Hey Mr. Farmer. We will partner with you and take some of the risk if you will go plant those acres so we can have delicious, healthy safe affordable food".
We know that there is fraud in this program as well as any program where fraud can be had.
Most will agree that reform is of high interest to all involved and the farm bill is ripe for it thanks to a struggling economy and Fed Budget issues.
Conservation, ethanol, food stamps and crop insurance are big targets.
Nothing like a good old fashioned sequestor to get people talking
Oh yeah, and the media will have a feeding frenzy on the topics of class warfare and income inequality to get the pot all stirred up.
We know that there is fraud in this program as well as any program where fraud can be had.
Most will agree that reform is of high interest to all involved and the farm bill is ripe for it thanks to a struggling economy and Fed Budget issues.
Conservation, ethanol, food stamps and crop insurance are big targets.
Nothing like a good old fashioned sequestor to get people talking
Oh yeah, and the media will have a feeding frenzy on the topics of class warfare and income inequality to get the pot all stirred up.